I wanted to post a bulletin, but I can’t right now - http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2005/05/3 [...]

Isn’t history the result of a miriad of personal choices throughout time? Isn’t democracy the result of a miriad of personal choices in a single act? If one believes in democracy one should listen history. If one believes in democracy one should listen the voices of the peoples of the past and respect their choices. They had common sense, not prejudice as you would have us to believe. It is you the carrier of prejudice. It is you the one who resorts to soft lies to hide your true intent. It is you who have yet to prove you can live among the peoples in peace.

“Palestinian Arabs sided with the Turks, an ally of Germany, during World War I.”

Not true. Through TE Lawrence, the Arabs of Palestine were promised independence by the Brirtish in return for their help against the Turks, which they gladly gave having hated the Turks for centuries.

“Palestinian Arabs enjoyed financial and other connections to the Germans during World War II.”

No, actually it was the Zionist organizations that provided financial aid to the Nazis and offered military participation as well. The Transfer Agreement was a method by which they bypassed the world economic boycott of Nazi Germany in order to bring specific Jews to Palestine and Begin’s Stern Gang terrorist outfit that offered to help the Nazis and indeed kept many British troops tied down fighting against their terrorist attacks.

“they danced in the street en masse on September 11 (even if Arafat pretended at outrage).”

The only proof of that were Isreali “news” reports. In fact, five Israeli Mossad agents were arrested on 9/11 after being observed dancing and laughing as they filmed the burning towers and Netanyahu’s first reaction to news of 9/11 was “It’s very good”.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.html

“Israel itself is a raucous democracy.”

Israel is a racist theocracy that prohibits basic human rights to its minority population. For example, 93% of Israeli land is mandated as for use by Jews only. Gentiles cannot use, rent, buy or otherwise interact witrh 93% of the land mass. If the US applied the same laws to non-Gentiles, only 1.5% of the US landmass, probably some desert out in Utah or Arizona, would be available for use by non-Gentiles. Would America be considered a Democracy if non-Gentiles were all crammed into a a series of small, ghetto-sized enclaves on undesireable land?

Gentiles are routinely harrassed in Israel by Jews. For example, last December a young Yeshiva student spat on a cross that a priest was carrying in an authorized Christian parade/ceremony. When the priest responded, he was arrested for “assault” and was barred from Jerusalem until after the Christmas period was over.

Israel acts now to all non-Jews the same way Nazi Germany acted in the 1930s to Jews. From immigration and visas to property ownership the apartheid of Gentiles is just another day at the office for Israeli Jews.

1. His opponent was a Jew - John Kerry, whose grandfather’s name was Kohn and whose brother converted back to the family religion of Judaism and who had traveled to Israel to assure Mr. Sharon that his brother would support Israel 100%.

2. He got elected didn’t he? If one knows one can fix the outcome of an election does it matter how you vote? “He who votes decides nothing. He who counts the votes decides everything.” - Joseph Stalin

3. When both candidates fall all over themselves to pledge their allegiance to Israel, does it matter which one gets in? Better make it the stupid Gentile so that it doesn’t look like they pull ALL the strings and so there is a non-Jewish fall guy.

“American Jews are not a monolith, and in recent years have tended to vote for candidates based on considerations other than support for Israel.”

Organized Jewry is a monolith. Dr. Shahak estimates that about 50% of American Jews are Organized and comments: “Why should some American Jews be so inclined to pro-Israel chauvinism? The first factor is the exclusivism of Jewish organizations. They do not admit non-Jews in their ranks and draw social and therefore also political power from that fact. Those who can be called ‘organized Jews” spend most of their leisure time solely in the company of other Jews, thus upholding Jewish exclusivism. Amounting to no more than 3 per cent of the US population, it would be impolitic of them to express openly their real attitudes toward non-Jews in the US. An exercise of their influence in support of Israel as the ‘Jewish state’ compensates them for this constraint upon their freedom of expression.”

“Do I think you or any other whacko that thinks it was Jews and Israel that caused 9/11 will obtain such a list no, because of the effort and time involved and knowing that you’re wrong.”

Straw man argument. I never said Jews caused 9/11. I said that the only people arrested in the US since 9/11 with bombs and terrorist plans have been Jews - Dr. Steven Goldstein of Florida, who had plans to murder Islamic children and responding police, and Irv Rubin of the Jewish Defense League, who had plans to murder a US Congressman because of his Lebanese descent. That’s a fact and one that doesn’t mention all the Israeli spies that have been arrested near US military and nuclear installations, like the two last April who led police on a high-speed chase for almost an hour and tossed an “arson accelerant” out the window while fleeing.

“Who is Dr. Israel Shahak anyway, what creditability he has, what proof does he have, noting but his words, he and others like him have to prove the crap they shovel.”

You obviously know the answer to this already or would do what any normal person would do - look it up on Google. A prominent JEWISH ISREALI human-rights advocate, Dr. Shahak’s book is based entirely on the pulic writings and proclamations made by the Israeli ruling elite in the Hebrew press.

As Dr. Shahak says, Israeli foreign policy is incomprehensible unless one understands that the Israeli ruling elite and the entire security service have a racist view of the world in which the world is divided into Jews and the evil and stupid Gentiles, all of whom want to harm Jews.

For the record, Organized Jewry is no better or worse than Organized Aryanism (Naziism) or any other organization based on racism. We stomped out Organized Aryanism 60 years ago. It is now time to stomp out Organized Jewry, because, as Dr. Shahalk puts it: “The bulk of the US Jewish community is totalitarian, chauvinistic and militaristic in its views. This fact remains unnoticed by other Americans due to its control of the media, but is apparent to some Israelis. As long as organized US Jewry remained united, its control over the media and its political power remained unchallenged.”

We don’t need totalitarian, chauvinistic, militaristic people in this country, much less those who’s allegiance is to a foreign nation. Especially when that foreign nation is a racist theocracy that denies basic human rights to its minority population. As Jesus said, a man cannot serve two masters. It is therefore impossible for anyone who holds allegiance to Israel to hold allegiance to the US. That means that Organized Jewry constitutes an enemy Fifth Column within the US, an enemy who consider all Gentiles to be evil, stupid and homogeonous.

One doesn’t need to invent imaginary conspiracies, one only need pay attention and listen to what those in power actually say.

Is there a lot of Jewish people in the media and Hollywood, of course, but the is a reason for that is the thousands of years of Jew hatred. Jews were not allowed to work in majority of occupations besides banking. The reason for banking was the Christian doctrine of not charging interests to other Christians. Loans were a vital part of any economy and if a Christian couldn’t charge interests why would a Christian go into banking. The solution was the Jew. The Jew can make loans to Christians and charge interests, the cost of a loan. When loans defaulted and during the time there was a debtors prison the Jew became the money grubbing Jew. Think about it, does that make any sense, no, and if you think the answer is yes, then how would banks and thus a major part of economic system work. If a company/bank can’t make a profit, there is no incentive to go into that business. If a bank just lets a person/company default on a loan, how long will a bank stay in business and if the banking industry collapsed there goes the economy.

As far as the Jews controlling the media and Hollywood again Jews were not allowed to work in many industries. Everybody needs to make a living so if you were not allowed to work and the only industries you could find a job is the media, entertainment, and financial industries that are where you would work.

Is there a lot of Jews that lean to the left politically of course. Why, because the religious right wanted to force their religion on everybody, thus the Jews were persecuted. Thus the liberal left was more open minded and tolerant to different religions, thus the Jews went left, and it makes sense.

There is a growing but small Jewish politically conservative right that for more traditional ways then the liberals are. In secular countries were opportunity is for all and welcome all religions to practice what they want and keeps religion out of the public, meaning the government, thus creates a Jewish conservative right.

Are there a lot of Jews in government, yes. Why, because throughout history Jews were not allowed to be in government and the governments created scapegoats out of the Jews for political reasons. Like Russians did by creating the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, a book about Jewish world domination that is so outrageous it is not only ridiculous but the people who believe in it are so sad, it is almost funny how people can be so stupid. Henry Ford spent millions trying to prove the book as true and he wasted millions of dollars, because you can’t prove the ridiculous. The crazy thinking of that Jews and Israeli government caused 9/11. The Jews had advanced warning because they were the ones to cause it, not the mostly Muslim Saudi Arabs that were involved in the plan.

How can any country force its addenda on the US especially a small country like Israel, it doesn’t make sense. People say well it is the Jewish money and political influence, which is crap. If it is about money, oil is where it is at and tax free Christian Institutions have more money then the Jews can dream of, so it isn’t the money. What about the population? Jews are only 1-2% of the US population, so it isn’t our numbers. The Jewish vote is not worth a lot relative to Christian population of the US. There is about as many Arabs/Muslims in the US as Jews so it is not the population. Think about it, if you and your people have been persecuted for thousands of years and now a secular system is in place open to all, why wouldn’t you and your people try to get involved in government. Even if it is for your own and your ethic, religion, political, corporate, whatever interests. Especially if you want to be involved in a process in a government to feel more secure personally. It makes sense.

Another thing most Jews are very secular and don’t relate to the religion per se, but as an ethnicity. Why, because Jews have been kick out of every country in the world. That is why when you ask a Jew what they are they will say a Jew, not pick a country. There is no country identified with the Jews, up until Israel, but Jews don’t call themselves Israelis, unless they were born in Israel.

Israel came about because of the Holocaust. Jews wanted a place that they can live where they would feel safe and since in every other country in the world has not made the Jews feel welcome, thus the only people Jews could trust is other Jews. Make sense. What is the only country throughout history that Jews can identify with, Israel.

A person can replace the word Jew, Jewish, Hebrew, Israel, Israeli, and every other word and replace it with your background and it makes sense.

Why have the Jews achieved what they have, education. In a secular country where education is required for all, education can get any person out of a situation.

In a lot of countries Jews were not allowed to go to school or if they were allowed it would only be a “Jewish” school, or they couldn’t take certain subjects or they couldn’t go to any school that they choose. Why, just because for all of the above reasons I stated. When the opportunity came that Jews could be educated, they took it. As you know the more educated a person is, the greater chance for success.

Yes, many Jews are loyal to Israel, but if the American Jews love Israel so much, why are they living in the US? Because they rater live in the US, duh. Thus people who are allowed freedom and opportunity will want to live in that country that offers it to be grateful to live in the country and since many Jews live in the US (roughly the same number live in Israel) the American Jews would be loyal to the US, but have pride in Israel. Just like any other ethnic group feels pride to the country where they came from or their relative came from.

Most of the quote unquote Jewish power comes from left leaning liberal Jews, many of which have no nor want any identity to a Jewish ethnic group or nation. That the only reason why they have any Jewish identity is because there Jewish sounding last name.

Of course there are Jewish people of power that are heavily evolved in Israeli issues, so what, it is called pride and caring. Doesn’t everybody care about people like themselves.

Now the notion that the Jews only care about other Jews is wrong. Yes, we care about other Jews, again Christians care about Christians, like Muslims care about Muslims, like Arabs care about Arabs, like Americans care about other Americans. Jews also care about the other people especially when there is need. Why? Just like anybody else, when you have been where the people are hurting are at and even when you have succeeded you do remember the bad times, thus you want to help the people that are hurting, it is the right thing to do. Again, when the rest of the world has imposed it ways on the Jews, forced them into horrible conditions, and kill them for thousands of years. When Jews tried to help fellow countrymen in need then to have the same people you helped turn on you, you wouldn’t want to help them again, it makes sense. When majority of the world has done this to you, you are a little less trusting and you want to help your own. Even so, what is not noticed in the “Jewish controlled media”, which we know is not true, is the sheer giving to everybody in every country of need from the Jews themselves and in Israel. One of the three main factors of Judaism and yes I am meaning the religion not the ethnic group is charity along with prayer, and study.

See, if for thousands years study has been part of being Jewish, it has carried over as a trait to the secular Jewish world even the Jews who don’t think themselves a being Jewish in name, religion, and or ethnicity.

So Doug what you wrote is so ridiculous, but if you still think it is true, prove it. Not just with words, gossip, propaganda, hate speech, writing, speeches, websites, audio other types of communications, but facts. Lets see the numbers of Jews from the twin towers before 9/11, during 9/11, survivors, and the dead from 9/11 from official sources. The company’s HR records (which wouldn’t list a persons religion or ethnicity as Jewish) the list from the security system of the towers of the people that walked in that day, the names of the survivors from all government officials, and the list of dead from all government officials. Do I think you or any other whacko that thinks it was Jews and Israel that caused 9/11 will obtain such a list no, because of the effort and time involved and knowing that you’re wrong. Of course it is relativity easy to forge documents. Once you have shown the facts and an independent company in the US verifies the facts, then your statement will have some merit, not before. The burden of proof is on your shoulders not Israel’s, not the Jews, not the government. Why, because the facts speak for themselves and majority of Americans from all walks of life believe what they heard and saw during and after 9/11. Who is Dr. Israel Shahak anyway, what creditability he has, what proof does he have, noting but his words, he and others like him have to prove the crap they shovel.

American Jews are not a monolith, and in recent years have tended to vote for candidates based on considerations other than support for Israel.

Americans support Israel for reasons that most of the rest of the world is unwilling to admit. First, Israel was our ally during the Cold War struggle with the Soviet Union, which allied itself with the Ba’athists in Syria and Iraq and Nasser in Egypt. Indeed, the United States was not a significant strategic ally of Israel until the 1967 war. Second, while America is hardly flawless in its treatment of ethnic minorities, we have never really had a deep strain of anti-Semitism in our society. Jews feel more comfortable in the United States than in any country other than Israel. The United States has far less anti-Jewish sentiment than Europe. This has been true since the 17th century, when the first Jews came to North America. This is why very American Jews have moved to Israel from the United States, but many have come from Europe. We therefore do not understand the hatred of Jews that is expressed elsewhere in the world, and when we see it we are repulsed by it. This does make us sympathetic to Israel. Third, evangelical Christians, which are a very powerful political force in the United States (far more influential than Jews), are huge supporters of the State of Israel, because they believe that its existence is a necessary precondition for the return of their messiah. If you want to search for a religious or ethnic basis for American foreign policy in the Middle East, it is far more rational to point to evangelical Christians than Jews. (By the way, this also explains why so few American Jews voted for George Bush, who is himself an evangelical Christian.) Fourth, the Palestinian Arabs have sided with the enemies of the United States at every opportunity in the last 100 years, since long before Israel existed. Palestinian Arabs sided with the Turks, an ally of Germany, during World War I. Palestinian Arabs enjoyed financial and other connections to the Germans during World War II. They sided with the Soviets during our long “Cold War” with the Soviet Union, they sided with Saddam Hussein in 1991, and they danced in the street en masse on September 11 (even if Arafat pretended at outrage). You might say that in each of these cases Palestinian Arabs had good reasons, from their perspective, to take the side that they took, and I would even agree with you. But that does not change the fact that Palestinian Arabs have chosen to side with America’s enemies in situations that had little or nothing to do with Israel. Americans understand this, and it makes them unsympathetic to the Palestinian cause. Fifth, however tough the Israelis have been in the occupied territories, Israel itself is a raucous democracy. This does not make Israel particularly moral as a country — there are many great democracies in the world — but it does mean that Americans identify more readily with Israeli society and politics than they do with the monarchies and authoritarian regimes that oppose Israel.

Finally, I would observe that the Palestinian Arabs have not exploited a tactic that I think would have, at any point in the last thirty years (since the 1973 war), turned American sentiment against Israel. Had Palestinian Arabs adopted Ghandi’s tactics of non-violent civil disobedience, it would have been very difficult for Israel to sustain its occupation. Imagine that in 2000, rather than launching suicide bombers, if a million Palestinian Arabs, holding flowers and not otherwise armed, had just declared their intention to walk to the sea and sun themselves on the beaches of Tel Aviv. What would Israel have done? If the Israelis had responded with violence, world opinion and even American opinion would have been horrified. Instead, Palestinians strapped bombs on to children and dispatched them to detonate in crowds of civilians. If there was a chance that Americans might sympathize with Palestinian Arabs, the suicide bombings put an end to that chance.

Finally, Sabbah, I should say that you write an excellent blog. I rarely agree with you on matters of politics in the region and your feelings about the United States, but your blog is both entertaining and challenging. Looked at objectively, it is one of the best of the many that I read.

Be well.