If They Nuke Us, Bomb Mecca
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A Colorado congressman told a radio show host that the U.S. could “take out” Islamic holy sites if Muslim fundamentalist terrorists attacked the country with nuclear weapons.
“Well, what if you said something like � if this happens in the United States, and we determine that it is the result of extremist, fundamentalist Muslims, you know, you could take out their holy sites,” Tancredo answered.
“You’re talking about bombing Mecca,” Campbell said.
“Yeah,” Tancredo responded.
The congressman later said he was “just throwing out some ideas” and that an “ultimate threat” might have to be met with an “ultimate response.”
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72 Comments on “If They Nuke Us, Bomb Mecca”
This guy is a complete kook. Bomb Mecca and the world is over. I guess maybe Ethopians should bomb The Vatican because of what Catholic Italians did to their county. Israel should bomb Berlin for the Holocaust.
If Ethopia had the capability maybe they should have bombed Rome …. If the Jews had had the capability back then, why shouldn’t they have bombed Berlin???????
You get attacked you defend yourself by attacking. If your women and childeren get slaughtered in the name of islam, why not attack Islam and Islamic Places????
You all don’t agree with that, then you all should do more (or at least speak out more) against the extreemist muslims and their supporters.
“However, in Jordan, confidence in bin Laden, who took responsibility for the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the United States and many other attacks, rose to 60 percent from 55 percent. In Pakistan, it went to 51 percent from 45 percent.”
source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050714/ts_nm/muslims_binladen_dc
The likes of “someone” remind me of the Crusaders who visited our region some few centuries ago driven by hatred, greed, and narrow-minded religeous fanatism. He believes that by bombing Makkah Islam and Moslems will cease to exist, let me tell you something, for Muslims Makkah is only a direction to pray and flattening it to the ground will increase the percentages -you are talking about- of Arabs and Muslims who hate American policy and support bin Laden. One more fact you seem to forget, bin Laden was invented by the US during the conflict created after Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, Americans thought then why not fight the Soviets using counter ideology, Islam vs. Communism. Pro American Arab regimes bought the idea and the flood of Arab Mujahedeen and money started to infiltrate into Afghanistan, rumors say that during that period bin Laden took a shopping trip to US to order latest arsenal, among other things in his shopping cart was the Stinger anti-aircraft missile which was denied to closest US allies. You want to know how the relation between US and bin Laden deteriorated until it ended with divorce, you have to study similar cases of US proteges such as the Shah of Iran, Sadat of Egypt, and most recently Saddam of Iraq.
I started by reminding you of the Crusaders who invaded the Holy Land under pretext to liberate it from Muslims, do i have to remind you of the fate of those Crusaders?
lol…
first of all i am muslim and a jordanian. I am also fed up with our lack of action against the slaughtering of civilians, women, and children in the name of islam. Heck, 25% of the jordanian elite think that the terrorist acts being committed are in our self defence. That is 25% of the educated, cosmopolitan, english speaking, jordanian bloggers. and they way “almuhannad” speaks, he is one of them… wtf is worng with us all?
you talk about the cursaders being “driven by hatred, greed, and narrow-minded religeous fanatism.” isn’t exactly that what the slaughetring of inocents in the name of islam is driven by? do I need to remind you of the fate of those?
If Americans bombed Mecca then there would be complete and utter chaos all over the world. It would be destroying billions of peoples lives including my own because I am Muslim. What would become of Islam? Pilgrimage to Mecca is one of the 5 pillars of Islam and the direction of prayer (qibla) is toward the Ka’bah. Tancredo is stupid and it’s certainly drawing peoples attention to him.
I heard him on the radio (KFI 640 Southern California) saying it’s a “threat”. Since these terrorists are commiting these acts of crime in the name of Islam then he wants us to attack there belief systems because he says that it has become a war of religion.
People like Tancredo are ignorant morons. He isn’t worth our time and effort.
The sound of my head hitting the table when this bonehead made his comment must of resonated with identical noises all around the U.S. Nobody likes these kinds of comments. Just as a note this came only hours after I had read an article about a Chinese general who said the that nukes would be used against the U.S. in any fight over Taiwan.
What’s with all the nuke talk…?? please all you sad little men shut up about your nukes!
Someone,
The real strange thing in your comment is the 25% Jordanian bloggers you are referring to. I don’t know what is your source and doubt the info you are posting.
On the other hand, kindly be constrictive in your comments and do not call others names or judge them! This blog is not about personal attacks and negative criticism.
same goes to almuhanad!
I meant to cite the source but forgot in my furstration…
The poll is a recent Jordanplanet.net poll : http://www.jordanplanet.net/node/327/results
24% support the terroris attacks calling it justified.
17% believe in conspiracy theories.
and only 59% of the participants believe these crimes are wrong and hurt us.
mind you, this is a poll on jordanplanet.net, which is most likley accessed by the more educated and cosmopolitan jordanians/arabs, the elite. Among those, 41% don’t don’t condemn these attacks, i think that is simply outragious and sad.
Sorry if I offended anybody. I simply can’t understand how a muslim can condone the salughter of inocent people (women and children). Do we really need to discuss how Islam is innocent of these insane acts???
As a member of Jordan Planet (being one of the Jordanian Bloggers registered there), let me tell you that that poll is voted by anyone/everyone, not only bloggers. On the other hand, any/all Internet polls can be subjected to fraud or (cookies, IP’s, etc…), therefore, it does not represent any scientific approach to view the Jordanian bloggers opinion.
I agree with Haitham. This represents the views of the 7 people who voted to that specific option and not the 5 million Jordanians, or the 27 people who are in Jordan planet, or the God knows how many internet accessers or God knows how many “the more educated and cosmopolitan jordanians/arabs, the elite” as you described us!
Do you honestly beleive that in Jordan there are only 30 people who represent this category? because they speak good english and they blog??! I am terribly sorry but do you know how many people have access to internet around the world and who could have been one of these 7 voters?! Do you realize how naive it is to judge a whole nation based on the views of 7 people?!!!
Dear someonw, I find it very interesting that you did not sign your name. Is there any specific reason why?
Salam All,
Madas wonders what my name is while hiding her own indentity under an alias. Anyway, my name doesn’t really matter in this context. I am a jordanian from a little town near Irbid.
Regarding the poll, I believe hat resutls are not scientific but I also believe that the real results would include even more support for the suicide bombings than the jordanplanet poll indicates for the resons I mentioned earlier. Just look around you and talk to people… a lot of muslims will say “mish galeel illi sawoh fina,” “bestahalo,” etc. I can tell you from my own expierence that atleast 50% of the muslims I know support the terrorist acts (which take lives of women, children, civilians)… and I am talkign about western educated MS and PhDs..
We got off the point. I am simply disgusted and worried sick about our silence towards what is happening in the name of islam. I am specifically talking about suicide attacks terrorizing and taking the lifes of civilians, women and children. Since we are against it, why dont we speak out more? Why don’t our preachers on the Jom3a prayer tell us (and the world), in clear words, that it is worng.
It is getting worse by the day and we are absolutly doing nothing about it. Standing by while crimes are committed in our name and the name of our religion is condoning these crimes.
So we tell the world that islam is peacfull and these are extreemists. fine, what else would we say. But the real measure of our bleifs and the truthness of such a stament is what are we doing about it. We are doign nothing, we are not even _discussing_ the issue among eachother….
I want the Imam to tell us what Islam says about terrorising people by committing suicide and killing muslims and non-msulims, women and children staright out. Why don’t they? I really would like to know.
Someone,
madas (Mariam) is very well known Jordanian blogger and all what you need to do to find out more about her personally is to click here name, which will take you to her blog. Therefore, your assumption that she is hiding behind an alias is wrong.
As for the ‘preach’, please be my guest. As ‘Mariam’ said, we know of 29 Jordanian Blogger who write well in English, and I challenge anyone to find a post of any that support terrorism. On the other hand, unfortunately I don’t know of any Jordanian blogger who writes in Arabic. This is of course necessary if we assume that ‘Imam’s’ are reading blogs!
On the other hand, you’re stating 50% of the people you know do support terrorism. In that case you are in bad company; maybe you should change your group, or educate them with right approach.
As for the media in Jordan, I have never read any article or watched a TV show that supports these called ‘Islamist Extremist’. Contrary to that, all what I read and watch are against these terrorists. Therefore, I can’t agree with you that there is not enough work done in that field.
Anyway, if you think that there is anything that we can do more than what we are doing in our blogs, please let us know, or go ahead and start and I promise to follow you!
Peace…
Assalamu’alaikum
Muslims should take comfort in the fact that Allah has extended protection to the two Holy Places of Makkah al Mukarramah and Madinah Al Munawwarrah. Indeed you will find in the Qur’an and Ahadith statements about this. If one reads the tafseer of Surah Al Fil and also parts of Al Baqarah, Allah clearly extends protection to the holy places. It is important to note that this protection is from kuffar opponents, and this is in the tafseer, not from internal fighting. And history proves this, when in history has a kaafir force even got to the gates of either Madinah or Makkah? While Washington was invaded by the British, London by the Normans, Paris by the Germans, Berlin by the Allies and Tokyo by the US, no one has every breached the sacred walls of these two cities. Indeed, Allah increases their disbelief and misguidance. Osama Bin Laden is a misguided criminal who must be stopped, and this Congressman is the flip side of the coin of hate and stupidity which is killing innocents all over the world.
Salaam
Tayyab,
Mekka and Kaaba in particular was destroyed several times since it was built (before and after Islam) by natural disasters and wars. Please check your resources and search history books and you will find that fact.
Anyway, this moron comments were condemned by (all) Americans and I don’t think there is any need to keep bargaining about.it.
Haitham,
I dont’t understand what you mean by bargaining, please explain. Also - I did perform a cursory check on the internet and also submitted your assertion to Dr. Frank Consigni, Profesor of Middle East Studies at Loyola University. While natural disasters have occurred in which the city and Haram Al Sharif were innundated with water, the city was not “destroyed” as you say. Furthermore, my previous comment clearly outlines the fact that ONLY hostile, invading non-Muslim forces are protected against (please refer to my previous post).
As to your assertion that Rep. Tancredo’s comments were condemned by all Americans, I refer you to the July 25th nightly broadcast of Hannity and Colmes as well as the O’Reilly Factor, the two most watched news programs in the United States. Both of these shows defended his comments and said that in the defense of the US, all is on the table. Of course, this view is not held by most Americans, but a vocal and large minority surely do hold these beliefs. But I guess this is what is expected when our own people get the stupid and Islamically incorrect idea to attack non-combatants.
Does anyone recall when the Mosque in Mekkah was stormed and held by a couple hundred Muslims in the 80s? When the Saudis couldnt get them out themselves they allowed European soldiers to come into Mekkah. The soldiers flooded the mosque and applied electrical current to the water killing most of the insurgents.
Hello,
I am an American living in South Carolina. Just found your site here, and I find it quite interesting. I’m not sure if the the reasons behind the Crusades can be purified simply to “hatred, greed, and narrow-minded religeous fanatism” (Although there was certainly plenty of that), and if we examine the approximately 250 year period covering them, I would say there was enough massacre and violence committed by everyone in that hemisphere to go around. Also its interesting Tayyab is comparing the geo-politcal against religious ideology.
“While Washington was invaded by the British, London by the Normans, Paris by the Germans, Berlin by the Allies and Tokyo by the US, no one has every breached the sacred walls of these two cities.”
With the exception of Tokyo, wouldnt all these examples be more accurately described as Christians invading Christian cities, if we were comparing apples to apples? And would this be any different than say the Carmathians siezing Makkah in 930 AD (Plenty of massacre here as well), or then the Mamelukes in 1269, the Ottomans in 1517, and finally the House of Saud in 1924? History has never indicated that any one people are solely to blame for barbarous acts of hatred and violence. Sadly it seems that all men harbor this capacity and have excerised it throughout history.
Abu Sinan,
European soldiers were not used. In fact, the French offered to send in troops as did Pakistan and Indonesia. But as you will find in the book The House Sa’ud, the Sa’udi security forces were the ones who dislodged the terrorists.
Valdemar,
I totally agree with you! I agree that you make the distinction that MEN who happen to be a particular faith commit crimes. Hitler appealed to the Christian history of many to condemn the Jews. This doesn’t mean that all Christians are responsible for his actions and those of his cohorts and furhtermore Christians should not be continually asked to explain why so many German Christians as well as Italian Christians and many European Christians in general agreed with his message of hate and evil and served in his military.
I have read in the “The Rise, Corruption and Coming Fall of the House of Saud” that European troops were used, I believe that As’as Abu Khalil makes the same claim in his book about the Saudis “The Battle for Saudi Arabia.”
I am not a fan of Stephen Shwartz but he says “The only time foreign troops were sent to Mecca or Medina was in 1979, when a group of Muslim radicals took over the Grand Mosque in Mecca and the Saudi government sent in French paratroops to kill them.”
http://www.amigospais-guaracabuya.org/oagim018.php
Tayyab you should watch over your sources… ….
It’s totally true that France sent its counter-terrorism group called GIGN in 1979 to Mekka, they cleansed the place alone…
But you also have to know that France ordered all commandos from GIGN to convert to Islam before entering Mekka, and they did it, simply…
I guess that otherwise Saudi security forces would have initiate a bloodbath which wasn’t acceptable at all…
Nour / Paris
I pray that the those who would murder us in the millions find themselves hunted by those Muslims who believe that to be against Islam. I have been praying for it since 9/11. I wish I saw more evidence of a movement against those murderous thugs by mainstream Islam.
To be sure though if a Nuclear Weapon is detonated in the United States such tribulation as has never been seen will occur against all of those who sat silently by as those murderous thugs preached their sermons of hatred towards the West. It is sad and probably immoral but wars are never happy or moral events, they are fights to the death and the moment such a weapon is ignited in the US that war will come regardless of anyones feelings against it.
Pierre
The French forces who entered the Kabbah were made to convert to Islam before they went in there to slaughter Muslims? In Islam everything is about intent(niyah). Their conversion to Islam was a sham foisted onto them by the Saudi royal family. Another major sin the Saudis will have to pay for. Insha’Allah, their time is coming soon.
Well Abu Sinan,
i never said the forced option they had to (re)convert is legal, normal, disgusting, or whatever, this is just how it happened, like a drop in this ocean of horrors and stupidities.
Well Abu Sinan,
i never said the forced option they had to (re)convert is legal, normal, disgusting, or whatever, this is just how it happened, like a drop in this ocean of horrors and stupidities.
Sure, just goes to show you the murderous hypocrisy of the Saudi government.
I don’t think the Saudi government has the monoploy on hypocrisy, I’m fairly certain Ben Franklin is rolling in his grave right now. These things are the same in all places, when it concerns wealth and power. Those who have wealth and power want to retain that wealth and power.
“Anyone who tries to break out of the rather rigid framework is going to be marginalized, because they don’t have the resources, they don’t have the media, and they dont have the organization, and so on. It’s going to take large popular movements to change this. That can happen, it’s happened in the past. Thats why freedom and justice have expanded over the centuries. It’s never been a gift, it wasn’t gifts from the rich and powerful. These are things that were won.” - Noam Chomsky
Pierre said “I pray that the those who would murder us in the millions find themselves hunted by those Muslims who believe that to be against Islam.” Were I inclined to pray, I would pray that no man take the life of another, whether he belonged to “Us” or “Them” and that no man should have to hunt another.
- V
Haitham: Tancredo is an idiot with a bad case of mouth diahrrea. Covering what he says in the media is the best reward he can get. He made those statments because he wanted media coverage and knew that no one (except a few lunatics - and every country has those) pays the slightest attention to what he says on topics ranging from immigration to foreign affairs.
I recently learned something from a website called “http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_Richard_Burton”
“The pilgrimage to Mecca in 1853 made Burton famous. He had planned it whilst mixing disguised among the Muslims of Sind, and had laboriously prepared for the ordeal by study and practice (including being circumcised so as to further lower the risk of being discovered). No doubt the primary motive was the love of adventure, which was his strongest passion, but it was an explorer’s passion, and Burton’s journey was approved by the Royal Geographical Society. Although he intended to fill in a blank on the map, the area was at war, and his journey went no further than Medina and Mecca.
Although Burton was not the first European to make the Hajj (that honor belonging to Ludovico di Barthema in 1503[1]), his pilgrimage is the most famous and the best documented. Burton’s trek to Mecca was quite dangerous. As he put it, although “…neither Koran or Sultan enjoin the death of Jew or Christian intruding within the columns that note the sanctuary limits, nothing could save a European detected by the populace, or one who after pilgrimage declared himself an unbeliever.” (Penzer, p. 30) He was the first Englishman to take the trip.
He disguised himself as a Pathan (modern Pashtun) to account for any oddities in speech, but he still had to demonstrate an understanding of intricate Islamic ritual, and a familiarity with the minutiae of Eastern manners and etiquette. And when he stumbled and needed presence of mind, he concealed himself as a Qadiri sufi.”
Allah will not allow Mecca to be nuked. If nukes came at it from infidel nations, Allah would protect His Sacred House that is bowed down to five times a day, by making the missiles disappear. Why? Because Allah had the power to say “Be”, and the universe came into being in six periods. Allah would NEVER allow his Sacred House to be destroyed by infidel swine. The Madhi one is going to come from there, according to prophecy. If Mecca was gone, that prophecy would be proved false. So, Allah will protect His Sacred House.
Interesting. Is there concensus on that? If there is then this could be the ultimate test to prove or disprove Islam as a valid religion. It could lead to either its prompt disappearance from the face of the earth once and for all, or to a rather large percentage of the general population converting to it … interesting!
In this case, everyone whether muslim or not should be more than willing to put the theory to the test as it would only yield positive results, from their respective points of view. Of course in the end there could be only one correct point of view, and there would be no doubt about what that would be after observing the outcome.
Am I missing something?
Let them try and we’ll see
Confident! I like that.
Understandably, each side would be confident about the outcome. In fact, I can fully imagine both non-muslims AND devote muslims wearing a very wide smile across their faces while waiting for the outcome. But, of course, that is to be expected and, frankly, not interesting from where I stand - I only care about the final scientific outcome, not about either side’s confidence in their own opinion.
My point is that BOTH sides should be MORE than willing to prove that they are right … and at long last there is a definite and final way to prove it, by testing this theory. Such a scientific experiment has a clear setup, and an outcome that can be observed by all. After conducting the experiment there can be absolutely no doubt about who has been right and who has been wrong all these centuries.
Very intriguing!
If the nukes disappear in mid-air or otherwise fail to cause any damage then there is no doubt that the whole world will probably want to convert to Islam.
I wonder though … if Mecca and everything in a 10 mile radius gets totally vaporised and flattened (i.e. COMPLETELY disappears as if it never existed) … then what is the expected behaviour of the muslims around the world?
Rome was sacked, does that disprove Christianity? Jeruselum was conquered and the temple destroyed, does that disprove Judaism? India and its Hindu shrines were conquered by first the Muslims then the British, does that disprove Hinduism?
Foreign troops have already entered Mecca and killed Muslims at the Kabba itself. Does everyone forget the episode where Muslims took over the mosque, Saudi forces couldnt get them out, so the Saudi family called in European forces, made them “convert” to Islam and then they filled the mosque with water and electrified it killing the insurgents?
If we use this formula to prove what is or isnt a valid religion not one religion stands.
Interesting point. However it can be answered in at least two ways.
1. There is no definitive claim in the Christian religion that God will protect Rome or the Vatican or whatever (similarly for the other cases you mentioned). Hence, these events cannot be used as proof that something that God supposedly said or promised turned out to be wrong thus disproving the whole premise of the respective religion.
2. If such claims had indeed been made in a definitive way, then those events of course have put those religions in doubt. If Christians have been told by their God that He would never allow Rome to be destroyed, and yet that has not been the case historically, what does that tell us ??
It all goes back to the post that got me thinking, above. Could you confirm if the following is actually correct and accurate?
“Allah will not allow Mecca to be nuked. If nukes came at it from infidel nations, Allah would protect His Sacred House that is bowed down to five times a day, by making the missiles disappear. Why? Because Allah had the power to say “Be”, and the universe came into being in six periods. Allah would NEVER allow his Sacred House to be destroyed by infidel swine. The Madhi one is going to come from there, according to prophecy. If Mecca was gone, that prophecy would be proved false. So, Allah will protect His Sacred House.”
Rome was sacked, does that disprove Christianity?
Christianity is not based on an earthly place rather on the Christ and his redemption of the world.The planet could cease to exist and Christianity’s raison d´être would remain.
Skeptic has a good point ,if mecca is the basis for islam then it´s disappearance would prove it false at best .
Many of you like to believe that most people do not agree with Tancredo,but I assure you that you better pray that your co-religionists do not use WMD on the west because the death and destruction that would rain on islamic nations would be “biblical” .The west is comfortable at this moment only because most people have relatively comfortable lives ,but if you put the west in survival mode the end game scenario would play out and I mean end game for mecca and islam.
Israel alone has been able to beat and keep muslim armies at bay so I don’t know in what fantasyland some of you live that you believe that you can take on the non-muslim world and win….there would be martyrs galore!!
PS What happens to all the terrorists virgins after they use them all up? ……….72 nagging women for eternity!
Mecca isnt the “basis for Islam” any more than Jeruselum is the basis for Judaism or that Salt Lake City is the basis for Mormanism. The fact is Mecca has been invaded and conquered several times, the block stone has been stolen. Mecca has been flooded, the Kabbah pretty much destroyed. None of that alters the message of Islam.
It isn’t a matter of Mecca being the “basis for Islam”. What does thac concept mean anyway? It’s vague, misleading and irrelevant. I never said that.
The matter here is rather more simple: IF indeed there is a clear and definite statement that God will NOT allow Mecca to be irreversibly harmed (and IF there are prophecies pending which depend on Mecca still existing) … and yet Mecca and the Kaba is destroyed in a way that nobody can doubt, in a way that is completely and utterly final - vaporisation of everything in a 10-20 mile radius would do that - then that disproves a core Islamic claim.
It’s like God saying that the earth is flat, in clear terms, and then finding out that this is simply not true. Surely you can understand this.
If, on the other hand, such complete, irreversible, and final elimination of Mecca from the face of the earth fails to happen through some miraculous intervention, then of course Islam will be instantly proven to be correct beyond a shadow of doubt.
Just to clarify, in religions, in general, it’s hard to find any definite claims about what can NOT happen in very clear terms. You may read about stuff that is prophesized to happen in the future, but since the descriptions can be interpreted in many ways - not to mention that if a prediction hasn’t materialised yet people will still say that it could happen any time in the future - it’s hard to use such claims as proof of incorrectness. But a claim about something that can NOT happen (because God will not let it happen) … is much easier to use as a basis of proof.
The experiment that I described sounds like a win-win scenario - it will prove the truth either way, whether Islam’s claim is correct or incorrect, in a way that is going to be easy for everyone to observe.
By the way, what is the unalterable message of Islam that you mentioned? Please elaborate.
p.s. I cannot disagree with what Alberto said; if the so called “west” goes into “survival mode”, billions of innocent souls who are now perhaps being misled by a bunch of vile criminals will inevitably suffer the consequences. It is thus imperative that these communities, which are more likely to suffer the most, become engaged in an active effort to end the madness before it goes beyond the “point of no return”.
Interesting that within the 4 years after the “War On Terror” began, Mecca is still standing in one piece. If America truly was the “Great Satan”, and this were WWII, seems to me that Mecca, the city that well over a billion people bow down 5 times a day, would have gone the way of Nagasaki by now. Hey, ever get the feeling that maybe there IS an Allah, and he’s actually keeping the “Great Satan” from even getting a HINT to nuke Mecca?!? Being a Christian, if Jerusalem were nuked, it would certainly hurt MY faith, perhaps even… end it. Because, I sure don’t see it fitting with MY Bible prophecy interpretations.
To me, either America really IS the “Great Satan”, being kept at bay from such a nuclear contemplation BY Allah, or, it’s leaders really believe Islam to be a good and peace-loving, godly religion, that just so happens to be hijacked by hundreds of thousands of warped individuals, mis-interpreting certain questionable Qu’ranic surahs in truly evil ways…ah, think peaceful Nick Berg, and others; the Islamic Iraqi Mother Teresa who begged for her life; the death of a thousand Iraqi Shiites as they stampeded off the bridge; the killing of US and British soldiers as they try desperately to help rebuild Iraq, all the while, walking on egg shells as to not offend, yet, die ANYway, when a Qu’ran is rumored to have been handled improperly.
I agree with congressman Tancredo. If the US or India or Israel suffer a nuclear attack, Mecca, Medina, Qom should be utterly destroyed by a retaliatory nuclear strike. Fanatical Muslims have told the world that they do not fear death. That they crave death. But what do they fear? They fear the destruction of their holy sites, holy cities. Maybe the knowledge that Mecca and Medina and Qom would be destroyed in response to their actions might cause them to consider their murderous actions. If not then the world is doomed.
I cannot help my self but speak up here.
First, Allah is a three parts word; Al=the, Ela=going to, Whowa= him, put together it means ” the only one that we will all go back to him”.
Second; I am an Egyptian who grew up on Saudi Arabia. I was there in Mekka when it happened on 1980. Me and my family - I was fifteen - were on our way to Omra before Ramadan. We stayed at the Egyptian Tekkeya accross from the Holy Mosque. Suddenly everyone started running out in fear, bullets of automtic rifles were cracking every were, and many men dressed in black were running every were with machine guns shooting at the gaurds. As I grew up watching beheading almost on weekly basis, the site of people dying did not scare me. But I was really angy because they were dying in defence of the House of God, not for any crime they did.
The voice on the microphone changed from the Imam, to someone preaching that they have “Al-Mahdi Al-Montazar” meaning the “long awaited Beneton man” is here now. He was asking all the muslims of the world to give him “Bayaa” or “Full Vote to rule”. I figured out from his dialect that he is from the eastern province of Saudi Arabia, near Dammam and Al-Ehsaa. He was reading some quranic verses that I never heard before (I memorized Quran in full effective age 13). It was clear from the false lies, and the call for “Hussain” every minute to help them out, that this is a Sheiite hostile take over of Mekka, in a process to stop all Sunni activity world wide. It was also the harpoon that declared war between the Sunni world wide, and both shiiate hussainya and shiiate ethna-ashrya (12th) in Iran.
There were many dead bodies, and mauch much more wounded, trying to either leave, or just stop the bleeding. I was doing Tawaf on my own. I ran outside, and had to run for atleast 1/2 hour just to get back to Tekeyya, where my mother was hyterical for me and my father. an hour later my father showed up and lead us all to the car. We had rented a blue shevy station-wagon, with a driver named Ghaleb. We tried to get out of Mekka, but it was too late. Many accedints on the roads had blocked all the exits and leaving was as dangerous as staying. So we decided to go back to mekka, and stayed at Mekka Palace hotel, which suddenly was empty from everyone, except the owners, the employees, and a few families like us.
We were a little further from Al Haram, and I saw for the first time in my life a helicopter that has two “fans” on the top instead of one. It was a Chinok. I saw many black soldiers go down from it. They did constant trips, and later at night, and for the next day, shooting did not stop. Later the Saudi forces, coupled with soldiers that had different flags on their side shoulders, were roaming the streets of Mekka is military cars. I recognized the Egyptian flag with many soldiers, and the Pakistany flags on a two officers. I walked out of the hotel for three blocks and watched three Suadi officers, looking at a map they spread in the street net to some military car. They were talking to some real dark black soldiers that had the french flag on their cars and shoulders. a few minutes later a walked to one of them that was standing on the side. As I was dressed in Ihram clothes, he realized that I am not dangrous. I still remmember asking him in arabic and english, but he did not understand, yet he smiled and said “Cote De Voir”, pointing at him self, and pointing at te other soldier next to his saying “Niegeria”, next thing there was a Saudi officer running back to us, and ordering me to go away, as it will be very dangerous now.
I walked back to the hotel, and for three days it was just shots being fired constantly, so far we got used to it.
The week after it the shootings were getting less and less almost every hour. Later they declared that every thing is over on the radio. On friday, at “Sahat Al-Adl” or “Square of Justice”, I watched after the pray all those who got captured. They were brought down from big trucks, bare feet, dirty, long beards, messy, long hair.The chopping of their arms began. All the arms were thrown in a big huge container that had boiling oil. Then the TV cameras came in to photograph them sitting in lines.
Later another truck came in, the TV cameras went away, then many others were brought in from the trucks. They were the same messy status. These ones were beheaded. I decided to go back to the hotel after the seventh head rolling, as I was getting hungry, and it was taking too long, and there were many soldiers surrounding. All the soldiers had the white helmet of the Saudi army, and most were blacks southerners from Negran, except a few that I recognized that were from AL-Etaiby trie from Al-Kaseem, by thier facial features and their mediterenean tan.
Two days later, Al Haram was opened. I was so happy running in the mosque so far I cryed that day like a baby all day.
I regret saying this, but I have never forgiven the Shiiate in Iraq and Iran for what they did. I still have no tolerance for any of their suipid claims or their false Quran, or that small rock - ping pong size - that they pray on.
I personally do not consider them Muslims. But That is Gods business, not mine. God can tell what is in thier hearts. I will Judge upon behavior, and I did not like it, and still don’t.
Egyptian,
Did God give you the right to judge who is Muslim and who is not? And if someone commit a crime, do we hold the tripe responsible for it? If that is true, then what the west say about Islam in general is true, since some so called Muslims commit crimes!!!!!!!!!
PS. Regarding that guy at the far end of Earth saying that he is going to nuke Mekka, my answer to him is; nice statement, that can get you cool votes from some drunk adulteruos american voters. Just try not to sit in front of a negotiations table when it comes time to discuss oil deals.
You blow up mekka and Medina, we’ll just shot down the oil and the mines. We will just blow it up, and watch you freeze to death.
And for those who do not like that the Muslims have most of the oil of the world, and dreaming of taking it over, with dollar signs in their eyes, I say; THAT IS GOD’s WISH, SO ACCEPT IT OR EAT YOUR HEARTS OUT.
Bomb Mekka.
wow !!!! We will just blow it up, and watch you freeze to death.
not to burst your bubble, but most of our heating fuel comes from natural gas, and most of our (america) electricity is powered by coal. Coal can be turned into gasoline, but at a high price and it burns dirty.
As for God’s wish, he seems to be failing you in several regards. I guess god wishes for the jews to live in Israel, and kill muslims.
Look what we did to the germans in WWII, and they were white!!!
Basically, eveyone should take a step back and see where we are going, and stop spouting bile.
Israel should w/d to the 67 borders, we should stop supporting them until it does, and muslims should drop the ‘death to whoever’ chants, as we are beginning to take you seriously, and when we do, it will dresden, hiroshima, and nagasaki for the arab cities.
and who wants that shit for anyone?!?!?!?!?!
but none of that will happen, and we will continue down this road until blood runs in rivers, and then maybe some sanity will return to the world.
for a while
when I said none of that will happen, I was talking about the withdrawl and our support of israel stopping, and muslim terror attacks stopping.
it wont happen until we (the world) gets bled dry. then sanity will return
United Snakes of America, and other snakes that might come around and read this, Rep. Tom Tancredo has no idea what he was talking about, if Tancredo drops anything on Saudi Arabia, Mekka, then theres going to be a global jihad, and the world is going to be doomed, so I think Tancredo should not be saying these kinds of things on live broadcast, unless he’s that stupid, which of the looks of it he’s a moran, that need to lay of that dope, and as same for Bush, why would any smart American vote for Bush, I mean he has done drugs in his dorm, and he still does drugs behind closed curtains, America is heading for doom.
Thank you Montino for your kind words. It is somewhat of a change, all I’m reading are negative useless remarks that do no good, infact if this blog was a game it would be one heck of a war game.
I want to bring up a few important points. What nukes was he talking about? In President George Bush’s State of the Union Address, he claimed Iraq had the materials to produce as much as 500 tonnes of Sari, Mustard gas and VX nerve agent, all considered to be weapons of mass destruction. Hans Blix and other U.N inspectors went into Iraq to search for weapons violations from December ‘02 to March ‘03. They found nothing. No nuclear sites were even found in Iraq. I think my mentioning this arouses another topic, is Operation Iraqi Freedom, or should i say Operation Iraqi Liberation (O.I.L), indeed a valid act on behalf of the U.S government. Is there another reason behind this war?!
Yes.
In response to what u said Islam is spread with Sword jus tell me one thing how many years muslims ruled over Spain and Europe and now how many Muslims are there not many…..How many years we ruled over Asia and how many mulims are there in India 20 %….Which Army of Mulim people went to Indonesia and Malesya to spread Islam, which army went to china and jamaica to spread Islam with sword where the Muslim population is almost 100%…Yo if Islam was spread with Sword then there would not be any other religion around by now…also right now Islam is the fastest growing religion and is growin the fastes in US who are biggest enemy of Islam and have done enough to show Islam the beddest and u know what they talk about women rights in Islam and now 3 fourth of the converts are women …so which army is spreadin Islam with sword there? wat do u say on that dude….
Also i jus wanted to ask u guys one thing that where in Bible Jesus (PBUH) has himself said that I m GOD or worship me….if he has said that then I would convert to Christeinity right at this moment.
Indonesia and Malesya has almost 100% of muslim population i meant..
Also Kaffer means any person who is a non muslim and if u dont like this word then y dont u become a Msulim dude….
Moreover, where in Bible does it say that Liquor, Pre Marital Sex, and Scriptures are alowed…Yo i had these two Christien religiuos students at ma place and they showed me in the bible that all this is not allowed…..I know muslims are doin this too but only Minority but u guys are Majority ….Also see the crime rate…how many people get drunk and comit crime…drunk driving….see how many girls having sex and having babies with not havin to know who is the real father of a baby…wat do u say on that why arent christeins followin the book which is Gods word
Dear Khan. My belief that Jesus Christ is more than just a prophet is due to passages in the Hebrew scriptures. For one thing, Judaism is very anti-idol, yet, there is a passage in Jewish scripture where poisonous snakes are biting and killing Hebrews until the Hebrews look up and see a bronzed snake (an idol?) on a stick, being held up by Moses. This, too me, makes absolutely NO sense. And, all the Jews I’ve talked to have no convincing theory for it. Too ME, as a Christian, it’s as if God is saying this passage, (even though it deals with a life preserving idol), is forshaddowing Jesus Christ in the future when nailed to the cross and becoming sin for us as away to save us from hell. The bronze was not a snake, but, was in the symbolic shape OF a snake, just like Jesus Christ wasn’t sin, but, took on the FORM of sin. And, those who LOOK unto Christ and become “Born Again”, no longer have the power of spiritual life destroying sin ON them. Again, it is due to this Old Testament reality, and, lack of responce from Jews, that makes me think this is God’s way of saying that Jesus Christ is our Savior. But, Khan, there seems to be MORE to Jesus Christ than this Old Testament passage. There are passages in both the New and Old Testament that seem to prove that Jesus Christ is God. John 1:1 says, “In the beginning was the Word (Jesus is called “The Word”), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God”. The concept of Christ being God is strengthened further when it’s God who has created all things in the Old Testament and it is Christ who has created all things in the New Testament. Jesus in the New Testament is the “Alpha and Omega”, God in the Old Testament is called the “Aleph Tav”. Both mean “The beginning and the ending”. The CLINCHER for God and Jesus Christ being the SAME God comes about in the very first part of Genesis, when it says, “In the beginning, God (aleph tav)” (yes, it has “aleph tav” right after the word “God”, but, you can ONLY see this when reading the Bible in it’s original Hebrew. You can’t see this anywhere BUT in the original Hebrew. (You’ll have to take my word on this). THEN, in Zachariah, it has God speaking prophecy, where God says, “And they shall look upon me whom they have pierced”. Right AFTER the word “me” (between “me” and “whom”, (in the original Hebrew, or course) is, again, the Hebrew “Aleph Tav” again, placed in away just like in the original Hebrew where it says “In the beginning, God” (aleph tav right after the word “God”). Too me, this is like God putting his finger prints IN the Bible, and LINKing Himself with Christ, when, in Revelation, Jesus proclaims himself the “alpha and omega”. You might ask, (as a Jew, or a Muslim, or ANYone else who feels Jesus to NOT be God), “Well, when, and where, was God pierced?”
Brother u and me both follow the book and believe its GODS word adn why would GOD not mention clearly that JESUS is GOD then why in every other Book whether its Quran, Bible, Torait, or Bhagwat Geeta or any other religius book they all say that there is only one God. In evry book if u read they all say that there is only one God, God created us and to show us how we should lead our life he gave a book to his prophets. Now if u say God came to earth to show us how we should live then its like imagine u made a Dvd player now to show how it works u would create a instruction book, that would say if u spill water on it or drop it then it might break, if u press this button then it would play…and son on…u dont need to actually become a Dvd player to show how it works and whats good and bad for it. In not only Quran but in every book its written that there is only one God and he is runing this universe …brother we have children to move our Generation…why would God has to have a Generation? why would he need a son? Its not like one day hes gonna die then his Son would run this universe..Also some christiens believe in trinity now tell me in any testimon if there is this word of trinity….in old testimon there was verse about God, his Son, and Holy Ghost u know what the scholors did they threw that whole verse out of new testimen….brother its all people made stuff…if u believe in the book then all the books say that there is only one God and he has no sons, he is eternal. If we all beive in this then there would be peace in world, therew would be brotherhood. My suggestion to u is that Follow the book…it has every thin in it what u should do and what not to do…why liquor is prohibited, why premarital sex is prhibited, why are the scriptures not allowed? and many other stuff that we dont follow these days….
Also if u believe that Jesus can save us from hell then whats the point of making Hell…Its like if u know ur gonna pass with cheating every time then u would stop studyin and thats what the mis conception is in Christiens they believe in what their pops and priest say and dont actually read the Bible…and that why they are doin everythin thats been prohibited in Bible…they jsu dont have any fear …the fear that God wants in us to do good for not this life but the life after.
Are you Pakistani or Indian Khan? I ask because that is a name most often used in that part of the world. I do in fact know exactly what Kaffar means because I an an arab. You are not arab and you beleive what others tell you about the kor’aan because you don’t understand the language. Most of muslims don’t understand whtat they pray because they are not arabs, and the kor’aan can only be arabic because this is the language god chose to reveal it in. There are some translations now for non arabs, but they’re not accurate reproductions.As far as I’m concerened, christians , jews and muslims are all pawns of their respective holy leaders. The jews think they’re extra special and they call themselves god’s chosen people. Christians think that untill jesus came, the world and it’s people were doomed to everlasting fire. The muslims think that god finally got things right and sent his final message to mohammad to fix all the problems that the jews and christians created.
brother like u said Quran was revealed in Arabic…which God said is for the whole mankind. i Believe is true because till now not a single word of Quran is been out of context, if ur an Arab then u would know the words in Quran people still speak the same language…unlike Bible was in Hebrew and many other books in other language which are now almost dead languages…only Quran is the only book that has the language which is been spoken till now …
It’s a good thing that the Qu’ran is only pure and truthful in it’s Arabic form, because, in all the English translations I’ve read, it sounds like you can’t be friends with Christians and Jews. That Christians and Jews are only friends of each other and can’t be trusted (making it so there can be no negociations with Christians and Jews, and, vise versa). Also, in the English translations of the Qu’ran I’ve read, it sounds like Muslims are allowed to BREAK treaties with non-Muslims, and, if so, where does that leave negociation and peace treaties? Is it then a big waste of time to even ever talk? Where does that leave grounds for trust? But, this is probably only in my ENGLISH translations of the Qu’ran. Also, from those translations I’ve studied, I’ve come away with the belief that the only way you, as a Muslim, can only really achieve Paradise… is to KILL Christians and Jews, or, die in trying. And, if you DON’T kill them, you will “be replaced”, and, risk going to hell to have your skin burned off and renewed every day throughout eternity because “Allah is wise”. Also, in non-Arabic translations that I’ve read, it sounds like all that Paradise is for you if you DO kill Jews (that my English Qu’ran says Allah made to be “detestable swine and apes”), you will be able to have sex throughout eternity in a slothful, drunken state, even if it’s homosexual in nature.
Anyway, I’m happy to hear that the REAL Arabic translation of the Qu’ran is the true and PURE one, because, in my English translations (which you can actually read on the internet), it sounds like Allah is only most compassionate and most merciful to those who do hideous, evil acts in his name. And even THEN, it sounds like your slothful Paradise may still not become a reality for you. That even THEN, one can’t put complete hope of achieving that even if you DO slam an airliner into the side of a building. In otherwords, there seems to be some ambiguity. That you STILL might end up in eternal torment. Then again, it could be because it’s NOT written in Arabic. Maybe I should learn a lot more Arabic? Of course, the fact that the 9/11 attack got cheers from the Muslim world (where as the cartoons created an up-roar of the opposite), I’m thinking that there are a LOT more English Qu’ran reading Muslims in this world than meets the eye.
Allan i agree with u that in Quran there is this verse that says U can kill the Kafer (non muslim), but if u read the whole thing then this verse was came in war time if u read further more then it says that if ur enemy surrenders then escort him to the safest place. This verse was came to boost the moral of Muslims during the war time only….If u have read Quran then it also says that if u save one life then its like u saved the whole humanity and if u take one life then its like u killed the whole humanity…Now the point that u made about Slaming an airline dude u can not judge the whole religion on that one thing there are bad people in every religion its just that Muslims are more known through media ….Hitler burned millions of People does that mean that Christiens are bad …we can not judge a religion on ones actions..its like if u go to buy a mercedese and u give it for a test drive to a guy who does not know how to drive the car the guy goes and slams the car …then u can not say that the car is bad ….its the guy who does not know how to drive not the car…
You are a great apologist for Islam, Khan. As a matter of fact, you are the best that I’ve encountered. Being so the case, maybe you can enlighten readers further and answer some of my questions. The main question I have for you is WHICH branch of Islam is the one worth surrendering to? There are more Sunni Muslims in the world than Shiite, yet far more evil acts are committed at the hands of Sunni Muslims. I mean, you don’t see Shiites carving off the heads of innocents (three teenaged Philipino girls being the latest that I’m aware of), you don’t see Shiites setting off bombs that kill scores of innocent Sunni children in Iraq now and then, and, when these atrocities of Sunnis ARE committed against Shiite children in Iraq (and, even in Pakistan), the Shiite act MORE Christian than Christians by “turning the other cheek” and NOT responding in kind (keeping civil war in Iraq at bay). I mean, Shiites seem to have, what I think you’d say, “more stirring control over their cars”, Khan. The Shia branch of Islam seems to be FAR more peaceful and respectful of human life. YET, (and this is TRULY a head-scratcher), I’ve recently heard that Sunni Muslims would MUCH rather have nuclear bombs in the hands of Israelis than in the hands of Shiite Muslims from the great fear that those horrible bombs would be used AGAINST them. But, Khan, isn’t Israel run by Jews? And, according ENGLISH (not Arabic?), but ENGLISH translations of the Qu’ran I’ve read, Allah made Jews to be “detestable apes and swine”. So, does this mean that the more peaceful and friendlier branch of Islam (Shia) is WORSE than “apes and swine”? Hey, I’m confused…dude? PLEASE shed some light here.
So? What’s the big deal here? This is not the first threat the muslim world recieves, as a matter of fact we’ve been receiving more than threats for centuries now and we’re still surviving and putting up a fight, aren’t we?
They wanna bomb mecca? Let them, I’m sure there won’t be nothing that we can’t build again.
The ka3bah al musharaffah? I don’t remember them teaching us that God built it himself. Just as thanks to him it was built in the past, there is no reason why it can’t be rebuilt in the future.
The haram al shareef. Let them bomb it, raze it, it won’t be impossible to rebuild.
Let them threaten all they want, pay more attention to the crimes they’re actually doing and allowing others to do every day. In Iraq. In Palestine.
Allan,
In Islam you don’t surrender to a branch but to Allah (God). Sunni and Shi’a are branches of may others, and there is nothing in any teaching of Islam that support violence as you are trying to describe in your comment.
Allan if u have read Quran then u would also know that us Muslims are allowed to get married with Jews and christeins but only those who follow the book and believe in one God and respect what the book says about what to do and what not to do….Allan if God really said that i have made jews detesible apes and swines then why is he telling us that we can get married to jews and Christiens….Allan people try to point out the stuff they want to …and to be honest with u i havent heard this one before that Quran says stuff like that so i think u should look carefully…Also the comment u made about Shiete and Suuni ….Quran says that by the end of time there would be 64 different casts in Islam and so far its becoming true and said but the best among them would only be the ones who followed Quran in their lives and believed in one God and its Messeanger. Allan i have seen in almost every religions people fighting with each other….dude i had these two jeovah Witness guys came over ma place and they were kinda saying that all other christeins are bad because they dont follow the book and believe that Jesus is God. so i know that in every religion there are conflicts among people….but i believe that Muslims have the most unity …u can see after those cartoons that no matter if a person is shiete or sunny or some other cast they all are standing and protesting against this in every corner of the world..
If I were a super devout Muslim who believed Allah to be so powerful as to just say “Be”, and this whole universe that we observe to be almost eternally expansive, filled with billions of galaxies, each with millions of stars like our own vast solar system, orbitted by trillions of planets (some possibly containing life), with a mind blowing number of atoms each containing spinning electrons and protons… not to mention the quarks that are even vastly smaller still and FAR more numerous still. And ALL behaving on a quantum mechanical scale that even the brightest scientists can’t even beGIN to fathom and imagine (and, this IS what Allah is leading us to believe, IF he exists). Well, being so the case, IF this same being, Allah, couldn’t keep nuclear missiles from “infidel” America from striking Mecca (which seems to be the HEART of Islam being that this city is bowed down to five times a day and is one of the “PILLARS of Islam”), well, I TELL you…I, as a Muslim, would be comPLETELY confused. Especially if, after the smoke cleared, vats of pig fat began to be dropped from bombers down onto the ruins of the kabbah. Before I, as a Muslim, rose up in vengeful jihad, I’d be incredibly perplexed that the One who could say “Be” to create this huge, vast universe (as mentioned above) would actually ALLOW such a thing to happen. Maybe not only allow, but, perhaps, be… unable to prevent? IF such a thing WERE to happen, I think my faith in Islam would become as shaky as the Temple of Dagon… after Sampson pushed out a couple of IT’S pillars.
Anyway, since Mecca remains untouched after a four year battle with the United States (believed to be the Great Satan by MOST in Islam), I feel that Muslims might have a point in HAVing a strong faith in Islam. I mean, I can SEE the Islamic point of view. There is a MAJOR reason I haven’t mentioned. But, hypothetically, IF the day ever comes that you wake up and find the EARTHLY center of Islam to not only be a radioactive waste land without inhabitant, but, bombarded by vats of pig fat, hey, before you rise up like those who did with the cartoons, ask yourself, first, WHY the being who could create the stars, quantum mechanics (a partical of light being in two different places at once), date trees, OVER-working honey bees, cute, fury, Andean chinchillas, AND pretty girls… well, again, ask WHY Allah would allow such an event to happen. COULD you dare even ASK such a question? But, hey, since that day HASN’T happened, I say, conTINue bowing down five times a day to a god that will have your skin burned off and renewed daily (earth or lunar day?), throughout ALL eternity if you DON’T bow down to his structure every day for the rest of your waking life. Either that, or, accept Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior. For one thing, the longer Mecca stands, the more you will have others JOINING you (out of love or fear of Allah? And if out of fear, how would they react to see Mecca gone? Would THEY rise up?) They are joining you by the thousands EVERY day. You have definitely got company.
Allan atleast unlike christeians we muslims beleive in what the Quran says that there is one God and like all other book says that there is only one God….There is no confusion like this verse means this in bible thats why we chritiens believe that Jesus is God….There is nothin to find in Islam every thing is given clearly…who u should beleive in and who not to beleive in…Dude as i said before if Jesus has himself said that I am God or Worship Me…then i would convert to chriteinity right here…and about Meccah as some other guy said that its only a direction of which muslims pray so that if ur in east u can head towards mecca..if ur in west u can head toward Mecca ….its also for Unity…in old days our Mullas used to stand on top of Mecca to give Azaan …would a chrsitein stand on jesus sripture or statue and call people to pray?
As to what u said about us praying five times a day dude atleast we dont go to a place stand in front of a scripture and start singing….we bow five times a day ..its physically good for ur health….we wash our hands, face, feet, and other body parts five times a day….we not only pray but also do something that help us physically…and thats why God told us to do it..
You are right Allan people are accepting Islam everyday because no matter what a person can do but he can not hide the truth…
Hello Khan. What was it that got you converted to Islam? Was it the “beauty of Qu’ranic scriptures”, as my Sufi teacher claimed, and, if so, what scriptures? Was it because, like religious people I’ve known who grew up IN the religion they were born into and were brain-washed into thinking THAT religion was the only way to Heaven–HAD to be the “one true religion”? Is it the fear of hell and having your skin burned and renewed daily throughout eternity and THAT’S why you bow? Most Muslims I talk to, say its the scriptures. But, WHAT scriptures? WHICH are the ones that keep your faith strong in Islam? There are passages and scriptures from the Bible that get me claiming the same thing in Christianity. Well, there is probably SOME physical benefit to bowing five times a day (good for circulation, and, possibly… a good way to slow down male pattern baldness). But, there has to be something MORE to it than getting a feeling of unity. To stop everything, and bow five times a day seems MORE than just wanting a sence of unity. Is it love of Allah? I’ve noticed that the Qu’ran I read (English translation) is FAR more indepth and detailed of the infidels taste of flames than ANY other earthly religious book. I mean, I think most religious people, including most Christians, don’t really love the God they are putting their life and hope into, but, TRY to love it in order to keep it from hurting them. It’s the carrot and stick thing of their religion, actually, kind of like Iraqis living under the thumb of the dictator that was recently removed. The Iragis ACTED like they loved and worshipped him because he paid royal and punished brutally if you DIDn’t do as he wished. In otherwords, most religious people seem to worship their god in order to gain a possible heavenly after-life, TRY to believe it’s “most compassionate, most merciful”, all the while, trying to ignore the fact that everyone who DOESN’T follow after their god, must, SOMEhow, be horribly evil and deSERVING of eternal torment in flames (drinking boiling water like a diseased camel raging with thirst), being that whatever god they are worshipping, is, at the same time, threatening an eternity in hell if they DON’T worship or… ACCEPT it. Being so the case. Which line of worship do you fall into? The fear of Allah, or, the “beauty of the Qu’ranic scriptures”? And, IF the latter, I’d love to hear what passages from Surahs YOU have at the ready.
WWII is over. The crusades are over. Don’t bring the past back.
What happened, happened. Don’t dwell on it.
Please look at your religion and the Bible. They are both alike.
Bush is not the chosen one as he would like to think.
Can’t we all go back to our origins of our religions and go from there?
Kimmy you are right bit to bring peace and unity we have to start from scratch …like in Quran it says come to common terms between you and me …and in alomst every religiuos books or tellings they all teach about one God..so if we all believe in that one God then wouldnt there be peace and brotherhood? and for Allan as i said before Christeins has this misconception that Jesus will save them from hell and fire…so they going against the bible…as i said before if u know that u can pass with cheating then u would stop studying and thats what exactlyy is happening not only in christeinity but i garee also among muslims too..