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By: Pope, Pope, Pope!

Pope, Pope, Pope! — Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:33:21 +0000

[...] I just felt that posting my personal opinion about the Pope infamous quotes is going to stir another big controversial discussion (religious one) like that of Prophet Mohammed cartoons. However, many emails asked me to write about it and give my opinion in this matter. [...]

By: Tamim

Tamim — Tue, 21 Feb 2006 00:06:17 +0000

Liberty, democracy and human rights are but slogans the west throws at your face any time they want to exercise pression on you to achieve their materialistic and imperialistic goals.Now The public enemy that threatens freedom and democracy and the welfare of humanity used to be the Soviet Union and the communist block that no longer exists.It’s not good to live without ennemy. It’s not politically correct.The ideal ennemy for the west is now Islam and Arab Muslims.Guantanamo camp is an illustration of the way the west uses freedom and human rights to serve their interests . They created a no man’s land that has no law to give themselves the privilege to torture people among whom many are innocent.Guantanamo sums it all.It shows how a so called civilised and democratic country can treat people.

By: R

Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:52:24 +0000

Dear DeH Kex
As long as you are saying it is your country with no mention to PALESTINE then allow me to say you are occupying the land.. It is not your country.. Israel is a united nation resolution.. Why aren’t you taught that a land called Palestine did exist, but became Israel in 1948?!! Out of sudden, there’s a nation named Israel!! Out of sudden Palestine been erased out of the maps!! Makes no sense you know. Needless to tell you the whole story of how the united nation created Israel out of Palestine…
Then you said:” sacrifice was known in ww2 but it was made not to strike civilians but to strike fully organized opponent side”… Sorry, but you makes me laugh. Let me ask you, when USA used the atomic bomb on Japan. Was everyone who was killed a Japanese SOLDIER? Obviously not.
And during the Viet-Nam War USA justified dropping poison on civilians, and conducing terrorist operations both inside South Viet-Nam and in North Viet-Nam…It was only when young America fought the United States Government to a standstill that America’s terrorism against Viet-Nam ended…Had Viet-Nam attacked America? Of course not. USA justified terrorizing Vietnamese by claiming it was for the greater good of peace and freedom…After U.S.A used terrorism against Vietnamese, they used it against them. And ultimately USA withdrew. Should Palestinians ignore the lessons of history? Palestinians like Viet – Nam people, they are also entitled to believe that giving their lives in the hope it will bring their country freedom is a noble pursuit and a great sacrifice…Then you said “How can we fight something that isn’t there the terror organization on the enemy grounds without hurting the population that DEFENDS them and also CHOOSES THEM AS THEIR LEADERS???” See, now you are justifying the hurting of population while condemned the victims on your side as they are civilians. And what do you mean by defending them.. How many kids got killed? Hmm do you think those kids are defending terrorist? Tell me, how can 10 years old kid Hurt Israelis soldiers? If one throw you with a rock you gonna kill him?!! The whole world witnessed the killing of that kid named Mohammed Al-DORA, they killed him with cold blood, the kid was crying and he was holding no rock at all.. What about that 2 months old baby, she got a bullet directly on her heart.. The list too long to be mentioned.. What I want to say: there is premeditation on killing a lot of kids and a lot more of Palestinians civilians… Who elected Sharon’s? Who killed the former Prime Minister Mr. Rabin and why?.. Tell me who was responsible of the massacre at Dair Yassen in 1948, which designed to put fear into all Palestinian people. And the planned massacres at Sabra and Shatila refugee camps in 1982. to Jenin massacre 2003.. Once again the list too long to be mentioned..
In conclusion..I am against all kind of violence including the violence of palestinians but it is impossible to deny the similarities between the oppression of the Jews in World War II and the oppression of the Palestinians since 1948. We know about how the Jews were thrown into concentration camps and killed, but how much do we know about the Palestinians who lived in refugee camps and then later killed?
There is a lot of wonderful people around the world…holding signs and raise their voices in support of freedom for the Palestinian people. Violation of the terms of Jewish exile has caused much suffering for all parties in the Middle East. The actions of Israelis soldiers a blemish on the Jewish people…All mankind is told that Israel represents Jewry. For me this is utter nonsense…Heretics cannot represent the Torah people.. Those guilty of massive cruelty towards the Palestinians cannot represent a merciful people all I can say.
May the Palestinian people, may the Jewish people know no more agony and may we all regardless of religion, race or nationality be worthy of the day when we all live in joy, love, peace and the world shall no more experience any kind of suffering.

By: Roman Catholic

Roman Catholic — Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:39:29 +0000

I am Roman Catholic but yes I do believe that the cartoons are racist and disrespect the Islamic faith. We Europeans that call ourselves civilised and spend endless hours defending civil liberties should have known better.

I also believe many Europeans are gripped by a growing fear of both the spread of Islam and of growing number of Arabs. Demography shows that the influx of the Arab culture is leaving a noticible impact in Europe and can change the notion of cultures in Europe as we once knewit. Is this wrong, I do not know? What will happen if one day Islam will become the dominant religion? Will there be the same amount of freedom of expression that we have now in spite of its flaws?

I disagree about the reaction to these cartoons because it spurred more hatred and racism. Violence should be never used as a solution

By: Robert

Robert — Mon, 20 Feb 2006 15:56:36 +0000

Mougly,

I am pleased that you felt my sentiments on various subjects related to your country and culture were with merit. It is good to communicate with others from around the world. Invariably, we are all biased to some extent toward our country or culture. Both of us were able to step back and criticize our own countries for the injustices that are occasionally practiced and continue to this day. No country is perfect and humans are fallible. You raise many good questions. Why do governments continue in the same paths that have proven unsuccessful? Violence has never been the answer and yet we persist. We must elect leaders that are righteous and vote them out if they prove otherwise. The problem is perspective. I might think our president is unjust while another American believes he is set in the right course. I wonder what the most high thinks of the mess humans have created. Will he step in soon or let it go on until we fix it ourselves. Sadly, the mentality of the few (those in power) affect the masses. God help us all.

By: Muhammad Khan

Muhammad Khan — Mon, 20 Feb 2006 03:55:21 +0000

My message is addressed to Gin (who claims to be a Muslim). Could u kindly point out for me the surah (chapter) in the Koran that states that making images of God (Allah)and the Prophets are forbidden (Imam Humble was the one to originate the idea). Thus, neither the Prophet nor God forbid the making of images.[For your info, images of Prophets, and Muslim saints are freely available both in Iran and Turkey. If U doubt me, go see those images on the Internet).
Secondly, the Koran and the Prophet clearly state that a Muslim commits a cardinal sin by calling another Muslim a non-Muslim (thus, you have commited a cardinal sin).
Thirdly, let me remind you that during his life, our great Prophet was abused and tortured by non-believers (in Tua’if, stones were thrown at him). His only reaction was to pray for the good of his enemies, and ask God’s forgiveness for them. Did you know that the greatest insult to the Prophet was committed by Muslims like you who butchered his grandson, and dragged the household of the Prophet in chains from Karbella to Damascus. Furthermore, did you know that after Mecca was conquered by the armies of your beloved Yazid, 445 children of rape were born. Today, people like you calling themselves Muslims are going around burning and destroying private property, looting private businesses and killing God-fearing people (whether Jews, Christian and Muslims)during their protests. Tell me, my brother Muslim, how are they pleasing their God and the Prophet?
Rather than calling me an ignorant, look at yourself in the mirror, and tell me honestly which edict of the Koran and Ahadees you are following by supporting suicide bombers (who kill indiscriminately). You hate Jews, but you claim all their Prophets and onionted kings as prophets of Islam (tell me brother, when did they become Muslims? But if they did, then their children, now called Jews, must also be Muslims).
I suggest to you, Gin (whosoever you are, and whatever your religion is) please read the Koran, and the history of Islam, which would educate you, and put some sense into your angry head.
Shame on you.

By: Mougly

Mougly — Sun, 19 Feb 2006 23:57:00 +0000

Nicely said Robert Ruiz

I am of Palestinian decent, and am ashamed of the acts being committed by the extremist side. Although it hearts me to here of the deaths of Palestinian children by IDF I can not understand how mothers allow their children to strap bombs on their bodies and blowup other innocent human beings and actualy think that they are going to be rewarded in in the afterlife. (isn’t it a sin to kill your self, or unarmed people anyway?)

I have heard and can somewhat understand that when people are desperate they can be driven to do many things, but for the past 30 years I have seen or heard of people dying on both sides of this conflict and except for a short time in 1994-1995 both people have acted in the same manor …..” I kill one of you and distroy a home and you retaliate by killing another one of us” … never really achieving anything except to bread more hatered… it just makes me wonder are they ever going to learn that continuing on this path will never achieve peace to either side? I wonder if one day some leader would arise and say “hey why don’t we try a new approach? lets attempt to coexist”..

But instead we end up with a Sharon and Hamas governments, who are bent on distroying one another….I say enough is enough.

As for the cartoons I think people should just let it go… I am sure the whole world has heard the reaction and the point has been made so at this point why are people still protesting and burning flags is beyond me…

After all they are still published on this website and probably a hundred other muslim publications, and no one has made a fuss about that so let us be realistic …this is not about dumb cartoons it is about extremist politics and personal agendas.

Hope you all have a peacfull day.

By: Robert Ruiz

Robert Ruiz — Sun, 19 Feb 2006 16:56:45 +0000

Mr.R,

I think that you made many worthy points regarding the suicide bomber and the oppression Palestinians have suffered for the past 35 years. You seem to have thought things out fairly well. However, I disagree in principle on several points. Yes, I am a westerner from the U.S. of Mexican decent. That, however, should not preclude me from giving an unbiased opinion since I don’t vote and certainly avoid politics. I can see things for what they are. We are not brainwashed here by our newspapers. The truth always comes out one way or another because of freedom of the press. Blaming the Israelis for your suicide bomber mentality is weak. I understand that it has become an effective way of fighting back. However, you allow children to strap bombs on to fight and kill innocent people. You might say that Israelis kill innocent people first therefore you retaliate. That makes you the same then and you have no argument. When you revenge someone you set yourself below him but when you forgive, you set yourself above him. Those are principles that I wish all humans from all countries would adopt. We seem to believe that violence is the answer and so we celebrate in the streets when others die. To make things worse, your government and ideology makes ridiculous promises that suicide bombers will get X amount of virgins. That is a joke. No, I am not poking fun or degrading your religion or culture. Just pointing out from my perspective how unrighteous many of your beliefs are. We American are not without stain. Yes, we have bombed the Japanese to end the war and currently detain prisoners of war or terrorists as we call them in Cuba. Our philosophy sometimes is hypocritical indeed. However, we have the declaration of independence and other documents that are a general guide to keep us in check. Sometimes we do act in a misguided way but allow for oppositon and dialogue to correct those injustices. There is currently a lot of backlash againt Guantanamo in our country and against the war in Iraq. The new Palestinian government will not even recognize Israels right to exist. Hamas has a goal to destroy Israel. A government formed with these nefarious goals is bound to fail because it is unjust and unrighteous. The world is turning more and more against you. You, like Iran, are isolating yourselves. Why can’t the Palestinians continue to work for peace with the Israelis? Why has your new government decided to ignore past deals with the Israelis? Hamas will fail until a more clearly thinking government is put in place. I wish for Palestinians to have success but only if it is righteous, rational and without random violence. You, R, seem to be clearly thinking things out but as I pointed out earlier, blaming will not cut it. We all have to take responsibility for our chosen reactions to others and circumstances. I someone insult me I have choices to make regarding my reaction. I can choose to respond as my enemy, ignore him or teach him that he cannot defeat me with mere words. The caricatures that have inflamed the Muslim world is a prime example. Radicals act unreasonably and make fools of themselves when they burn flags and rant like troglodites on the streets. Remember, he who angers you conquers you. Peace to all and goodwill.

By: DeH Kex

DeH Kex — Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:39:46 +0000

well dear 281 since the suicide wount stop our struggle wount stop.
We too love our country and its my right to do so and i am training daily befor army to make the best soldier to serve the country i love…back to the topic you said that sacrifice was known in ww2 but it was made not to strike civilians but to strike fully orgonized opponent side.Please share us your wisdom tell me how can we fight somwthing that isnt there the terror orgonization on the enemy grounds whithout hurting the population that DEFENDS them and also CHOOSES THEM AS THEIR LEADERS???You think its so easy whith tanks to stop the mob?you must know that to shoot your gun even once you have to get orders form three comanders untill then you may use rubber bulets…7 soldiers VS mob of 400 people throwing rocks at them …very easy for you to say you TRAITOR!!you said you live in america and people like you make it rot from inside

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We grope together/And avoid speech » insert ANGRY title here — Sun, 19 Feb 2006 02:17:55 +0000

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By: Dena

Dena — Sat, 18 Feb 2006 21:22:49 +0000

Dear Peacekeeper,

Thank you for the wonderfully kind comments you have made about this issue.

After reading many of the incredibly racist comments made by people on both sides of this argument, I was incredibly comforted to see that understanding and intelligent people like you are still out there.

If only the politicians of the world were like you. Then maybe instead of encouraging hatred among their populations, they would encourage forgiveness and understanding.

Both the West and the Islamic world are guilty of wrongdoings. Not only regarding the cartoon issue, but issues in the past as well. However, it’s not fair to continue the hatred over past issues.

Innocent people in New York, London, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Guantanamo Bay have been killed and tortured because of a few peoples hidden agendas.

We need to stop hatred for each other now more than ever. It is thanks to wise people like you who give us hope.

Thank you once again and may God bless you as well as all of the innocent people who lost their lives due to terrorist attacks, illegal wars, and illegal detention facilities all over the world.

By: R

Sat, 18 Feb 2006 18:24:29 +0000

Hmmm, I can see you all again and again talking about the WTC. OK, At first I would like again to present in name of all Arabs and all Muslims condolences to America and all American, British, Dutch and others who had find their death in terrorists action INCLUDING THE DEATH OF ARAB’S ANS MUSLIMS ..You cannot know at what point we can feel your pain…And you know why? Because we had suffer and suffer during 50 years of these kind of action…Undoubtedly, we know better than others what bombs can do and what killing hundreds of people can make…We deal with this every day and so we can’t be and we cant support these actions…. Simply Because it is Barbaric, horrible and INHUMAN…And those who said that the majority of Arab’s and Muslims are with these terrorist action…I can tell them, You can make up any lie and repeat it over and over but no matter how many times you repeat a lie it does not make it a fact. I can also remind them that We did not judge that American people are all criminals and terrorist when the politics in America decided to strike Baghdad and Lybia..Let alone the atomic bomb over Japan…
And talking about Palestine Conflict with Israel.. Is it so hard for us to learn that the UNITED NATIONS created Israel out of Palestine, and the Israelis inflicted the oppression they received from the nazis on the Palestinians?! If Americans can’t find answers to their questions, the media is usually their next resort…Prove me wrong!!…But believe me if people actually knew more of the region’s history rather than current events including that of the Palestinians, many would reconsider their views…And wait a minute, many of AMERICAN’S understand that Israeli treatment of Palestinians has been immoral and outrageous…But for one reason or another they won’t admit it. Can I say HYPOCRACY NOT DEMOCRACY…I can act like stereotype person and say that AMERICAN’S abandoned THEIR principles. Why are the American people now against the idea of Liberty and Freedom for all?!!!!!!! When did YOU abandon the principles found in the declaration of Independence? When did YOU ALL renounce the beliefs of Thomas Jefferson and stop believing that freedom is a God given right for all..HUH?
Israel has invaded another and has brutally ruled for the past 35 years…. This nation has defied international law in its invasion and occupation….During the past 35 years this nation has been condemned by the nations of the world on at least 70 occasions and has also been condemned by international human rights groups for its brutal repression of a freedom seeking people..The killing of innocent people of Palestine is rampant but the media presents only one side and never chooses to report that the Palestinian death rate is about 600% higher than the Israeli death rate…the media seems to suggest the loss of Palestinian women and children is far less serious than the loss of Israeli women and children, an attitude which smacks of racism.
When Israel invaded Jenin and refused to allow the world to watch as purported War Crimes were being committed…WHY? Israel refused to allow a UN inspection team to determine if any War crimes were committed in jenin…Meanwhile the US invaded because Iraq refused to let a UN weapons inspection team into their country. WHAT A CONTRUDICTION !! the entire civilized world has recognized that occupied people have a right to resist an illegal occupation, a fact that the media has chosen to ignore… the media has sold its soul,, but even worse it has convinced the American people to renounce the soul of the American Experiment.
Talking about what you call suicide bombers..Cant you see that Israeli propaganda experts have tried to spread the myth that recent Palestinian suicide bombers represent some horrible new form of terrorist warfare….in point of fact, suicide missions and terror tactics are as American as apple pie. Throughout history, young men have sacrificed their lives for causes they felt reflected the survival of their nations. In World War II, suicide missions were routine…Military officers sent men on missions where the chances of return were negligible… THEN Why should Palestinian sacrifices be viewed in any different light..huh?
Is it so hard to believe that young Palestinians would sacrifice their lives to kill Israelis when they see Israelis killing their family and friends, and when they witness a brutal and endless Israeli occupation? If anyone motivates and controls Palestinian suicide bombers it is ARIEL SHARON…Sharon screams he is at war…And he has made himself at war. Under these Israeli created conditions, The suicide missions are completely understandable…
Few of AMERICANS are capable of committing, or even understanding, such a sacrifice. it is worthwhile remembering that Sharon’s War began with Palestinians throwing stones and Israelis killing children in response…When Israelis persisted in killing stone throwers Palestinians resorted to small arms. When Israel escalated with tanks and invasions Palestinians recently began to deploy anti tank weapons…What is surprising is not that young Palestinians have dedicated themselves to killing Israeli civilians but that they have waited so long, and so patiently, before doing so…. Israel, you are responsible for suicide bombers… And they will not stop until Israel itself faces defeat. Suicide bombers will be Sharon’s and others legacy to Israel.

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Fri, 17 Feb 2006 10:09:53 +0000

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