Comments on: Cartoons, more devastating! http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/02/24/cartoons-more-devastating/ We Still Hold The Key And Deed To Our Home In Palestine. We Will Return! Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:12:09 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Robert Ruiz http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/02/24/cartoons-more-devastating/#comment-63140 Robert Ruiz Tue, 14 Mar 2006 01:46:00 +0000 http://sabbah.biz/mt/?p=1260#comment-63140 Mougly, Yes, I totally agree with you that the media has a lot to do with shaping people's views of the Islamic world. Indeed the extremists make the most noise and as they say, "the squeaky wheel gets the grease." We need to hold the media more accountable for lobsided reporting.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('63140','Robert Ruiz'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('63140','Robert Ruiz','Mougly,\r\nYes, I totally agree with you that the media has a lot to do with shaping people\'s views of the Islamic world. Indeed the extremists make the most noise and as they say, \"the squeaky wheel gets the grease.\" We need to hold the media more accountable for lobsided reporting.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Mougly,
Yes, I totally agree with you that the media has a lot to do with shaping people’s views of the Islamic world. Indeed the extremists make the most noise and as they say, “the squeaky wheel gets the grease.” We need to hold the media more accountable for lobsided reporting.
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]]> By: Mougly http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/02/24/cartoons-more-devastating/#comment-63139 Mougly Tue, 14 Mar 2006 01:39:42 +0000 http://sabbah.biz/mt/?p=1260#comment-63139 Robert Regarding your question "If Muslims have such a negative view of the west then why are so many Muslims relocating to European countries and the US?" I ask my self that question often, especially when I here and see the extremists who preaching hate messages against everything to do with the western society, and yet choose to immigrate to western countries. I am not sure why they come. As for your comments regarding how the west views Muslims, again I agree with you, although that is unfortunate but again this it due in large part to what we see on our TV sets, and also in part due to the fact that the extremists always make the most noise, see the media plays a huge part in shaping peoples thoughts, that is why we have to push for a balanced media coverage, push to stop the promotion of violence in any form, and take responsibility to educate our children that there are alternative ways to deal with conflict. Maybe then we can lead by example instead of pointing out each others faults, as we all have our issues. In the Islamic world they have the extremist elements, in the west we have the money and power hungry greedy side to deal with.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('63139','Mougly'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('63139','Mougly','Robert\r\n\r\nRegarding your question \"If Muslims have such a negative view of the west then why are so many Muslims relocating to European countries and the US?\" I ask my self that question often, especially when I here and see the extremists who preaching hate messages against everything to do with the western society, and yet choose to immigrate to western countries. I am not sure why they come. \r\n\r\nAs for your comments regarding how the west views Muslims, again I agree with you, although that is unfortunate but again this it due in large part to what we see on our TV sets, and also in part due to the fact that the extremists always make the most noise, see the media plays a huge part in shaping peoples thoughts, that is why we have to push for a balanced media coverage, push to stop the promotion of violence in any form, and take responsibility to educate our children that there are alternative ways to deal with conflict. Maybe then we can lead by example instead of pointing out each others faults, as we all have our issues. In the Islamic world they have the extremist elements, in the west we have the money and power hungry greedy side to deal with.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Robert

Regarding your question “If Muslims have such a negative view of the west then why are so many Muslims relocating to European countries and the US?” I ask my self that question often, especially when I here and see the extremists who preaching hate messages against everything to do with the western society, and yet choose to immigrate to western countries. I am not sure why they come.

As for your comments regarding how the west views Muslims, again I agree with you, although that is unfortunate but again this it due in large part to what we see on our TV sets, and also in part due to the fact that the extremists always make the most noise, see the media plays a huge part in shaping peoples thoughts, that is why we have to push for a balanced media coverage, push to stop the promotion of violence in any form, and take responsibility to educate our children that there are alternative ways to deal with conflict. Maybe then we can lead by example instead of pointing out each others faults, as we all have our issues. In the Islamic world they have the extremist elements, in the west we have the money and power hungry greedy side to deal with.

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]]> By: Robert Ruiz http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/02/24/cartoons-more-devastating/#comment-62975 Robert Ruiz Mon, 13 Mar 2006 01:43:04 +0000 http://sabbah.biz/mt/?p=1260#comment-62975 Not even the greatest nation on earth can solve all of its problems. Being great does not infer perfection. That was a leap. While the US has its dangerous neighborhoods it also has the rule of law and evil doers most often are caught and incarcerated.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('62975','Robert Ruiz'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('62975','Robert Ruiz','Not even the greatest nation on earth can solve all of its problems. Being great does not infer perfection. That was a leap. While the US has its dangerous neighborhoods it also has the rule of law and evil doers most often are caught and incarcerated.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Not even the greatest nation on earth can solve all of its problems. Being great does not infer perfection. That was a leap. While the US has its dangerous neighborhoods it also has the rule of law and evil doers most often are caught and incarcerated.
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]]> By: Robin http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/02/24/cartoons-more-devastating/#comment-62945 Robin Sun, 12 Mar 2006 18:20:08 +0000 http://sabbah.biz/mt/?p=1260#comment-62945 If anyone would like to research my analogy, please do so by researching gang violence in the US. Is not a gang the same as a mob which acts selectively when serving their own needs and territory? We have also had our fair share of riots here in the US pariculary in Los Angeles during the Watts riots of the 60's and the recent Rodney King riots. Perhaps those looking at the US from abroad would infer from watching this that it has something to do with our society. Are we not a self proclaimed Judeo-Christian nation? Are we not the greatest nation on earth at this PARTICULAR moment in history? Why is it if we are the greatest nation on earth we are not adressing our own violence at home in a more competant manner?<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('62945','Robin'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('62945','Robin','If anyone would like to research my analogy, please do so by researching gang violence in the US. Is not a gang the same as a mob which acts selectively when serving their own needs and territory? We have also had our fair share of riots here in the US pariculary in Los Angeles during the Watts riots of the 60\'s and the recent Rodney King riots. Perhaps those looking at the US from abroad would infer from watching this that it has something to do with our society. Are we not a self proclaimed Judeo-Christian nation? Are we not the greatest nation on earth at this PARTICULAR moment in history? Why is it if we are the greatest nation on earth we are not adressing our own violence at home in a more competant manner?'); return false;">Quote</a></div> If anyone would like to research my analogy, please do so by researching gang violence in the US. Is not a gang the same as a mob which acts selectively when serving their own needs and territory? We have also had our fair share of riots here in the US pariculary in Los Angeles during the Watts riots of the 60’s and the recent Rodney King riots. Perhaps those looking at the US from abroad would infer from watching this that it has something to do with our society. Are we not a self proclaimed Judeo-Christian nation? Are we not the greatest nation on earth at this PARTICULAR moment in history? Why is it if we are the greatest nation on earth we are not adressing our own violence at home in a more competant manner?
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]]> By: Robert Ruiz http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/02/24/cartoons-more-devastating/#comment-62941 Robert Ruiz Sun, 12 Mar 2006 18:04:49 +0000 http://sabbah.biz/mt/?p=1260#comment-62941 It is unsafe anywhere you go no matter what country. There are always elements of deceit and evil. The US is getting pummeled on these correspondences. Where is the balance?<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('62941','Robert Ruiz'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('62941','Robert Ruiz','It is unsafe anywhere you go no matter what country. There are always elements of deceit and evil. The US is getting pummeled on these correspondences. Where is the balance?'); return false;">Quote</a></div> It is unsafe anywhere you go no matter what country. There are always elements of deceit and evil. The US is getting pummeled on these correspondences. Where is the balance?
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]]> By: Robin http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/02/24/cartoons-more-devastating/#comment-62935 Robin Sun, 12 Mar 2006 17:42:53 +0000 http://sabbah.biz/mt/?p=1260#comment-62935 Mougley, Yes there is no where in the world I would rather live (as long as I get to travel and see the US from a different perspective) than the United States. You made some very good points when you said,"Let' promote family values and community living". I agree with you 100% on that one. If our media was only more responsible in taking the lead then no one would even suggest censorship. I am NOT for censhorship at all. I am a firm believer in our first amendment's right to free speech, but it is up to each and every entity to foster the very values you suggestd. Since the topic here is the cartoon debacle, let me stray just a little bit. I believe that our media's promotion of violence is connected, as proven by many academic studies, to the violence on the streets of America. Just a few years ago in Los Angeles a caucasion family strayed into a gang area by making the wrong turn and the entire family was slaughtered. We talk about the cartoon riots with such disdain, when here in the US entire neighborhoods are unsafe to live. I think it is a bit of hypocracy on our part to point the finger at the Moslem mobs and blame Islam as the cause. No I am absolutely not condoning their actions. I am simply pointing out the fact that here in the US our own citizens are endangered by the violence on our own streets but yet we point a finger elsewhere.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('62935','Robin'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('62935','Robin','Mougley,\r\nYes there is no where in the world I would rather live (as long as I get to travel and see the US from a different perspective) than the United States. You made some very good points when you said,\"Let\' promote family values and community living\". I agree with you 100% on that one. If our media was only more responsible in taking the lead then no one would even suggest censorship. I am NOT for censhorship at all. I am a firm believer in our first amendment\'s right to free speech, but it is up to each and every entity to foster the very values you suggestd.\r\nSince the topic here is the cartoon debacle, let me stray just a little bit. I believe that our media\'s promotion of violence is connected, as proven by many academic studies, to the violence on the streets of America. Just a few years ago in Los Angeles a caucasion family strayed into a gang area by making the wrong turn and the entire family was slaughtered. We talk about the cartoon riots with such disdain, when here in the US entire neighborhoods are unsafe to live. I think it is a bit of hypocracy on our part to point the finger at the Moslem mobs and blame Islam as the cause. No I am absolutely not condoning their actions. I am simply pointing out the fact that here in the US our own citizens are endangered by the violence on our own streets but yet we point a finger elsewhere.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Mougley,
Yes there is no where in the world I would rather live (as long as I get to travel and see the US from a different perspective) than the United States. You made some very good points when you said,”Let’ promote family values and community living”. I agree with you 100% on that one. If our media was only more responsible in taking the lead then no one would even suggest censorship. I am NOT for censhorship at all. I am a firm believer in our first amendment’s right to free speech, but it is up to each and every entity to foster the very values you suggestd.
Since the topic here is the cartoon debacle, let me stray just a little bit. I believe that our media’s promotion of violence is connected, as proven by many academic studies, to the violence on the streets of America. Just a few years ago in Los Angeles a caucasion family strayed into a gang area by making the wrong turn and the entire family was slaughtered. We talk about the cartoon riots with such disdain, when here in the US entire neighborhoods are unsafe to live. I think it is a bit of hypocracy on our part to point the finger at the Moslem mobs and blame Islam as the cause. No I am absolutely not condoning their actions. I am simply pointing out the fact that here in the US our own citizens are endangered by the violence on our own streets but yet we point a finger elsewhere.
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]]> By: Robert Ruiz http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/02/24/cartoons-more-devastating/#comment-62786 Robert Ruiz Sun, 12 Mar 2006 15:32:35 +0000 http://sabbah.biz/mt/?p=1260#comment-62786 Mougly, One more thing. If Muslims have such a negative view of the west then why are so many Muslims relocating to European countries and the US? Why do so many Muslim households pirate western television programming? The world is very Americanized and muslim extemists hate that. Our western businesses are bombed often because there is resentment. Our businesses could not thrive over there unless Muslims were frequenting those places. Our culture is free and most people ultimately believe that they and not some government should have the freedom the choose for themselves what their destiny will be. American also see Muslims as terrorist and savages to some extent. We do not understand the concept of strapping bombs on oneself and killing others. We see Muslims protesting on the streets burning flags and ranting with rabid fervor. All of the 911 murderers were either Arab or of Muslim descent. We are holding a grudge against Muslims because of it. Now, I know Muslims are misunderstood and that only extremists engage in such bad conduct. I am only pointing out the western perspective.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('62786','Robert Ruiz'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('62786','Robert Ruiz','Mougly,\r\nOne more thing. If Muslims have such a negative view of the west then why are so many Muslims relocating to European countries and the US? Why do so many Muslim households pirate western television programming? The world is very Americanized and muslim extemists hate that. Our western businesses are bombed often because there is resentment. Our businesses could not thrive over there unless Muslims were frequenting those places. Our culture is free and most people ultimately believe that they and not some government should have the freedom the choose for themselves what their destiny will be. American also see Muslims as terrorist and savages to some extent. We do not understand the concept of strapping bombs on oneself and killing others. We see Muslims protesting on the streets burning flags and ranting with rabid fervor. All of the 911 murderers were either Arab or of Muslim descent. We are holding a grudge against Muslims because of it. Now, I know Muslims are misunderstood and that only extremists engage in such bad conduct. I am only pointing out the western perspective.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Mougly,
One more thing. If Muslims have such a negative view of the west then why are so many Muslims relocating to European countries and the US? Why do so many Muslim households pirate western television programming? The world is very Americanized and muslim extemists hate that. Our western businesses are bombed often because there is resentment. Our businesses could not thrive over there unless Muslims were frequenting those places. Our culture is free and most people ultimately believe that they and not some government should have the freedom the choose for themselves what their destiny will be. American also see Muslims as terrorist and savages to some extent. We do not understand the concept of strapping bombs on oneself and killing others. We see Muslims protesting on the streets burning flags and ranting with rabid fervor. All of the 911 murderers were either Arab or of Muslim descent. We are holding a grudge against Muslims because of it. Now, I know Muslims are misunderstood and that only extremists engage in such bad conduct. I am only pointing out the western perspective.
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]]> By: Robert Ruiz http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/02/24/cartoons-more-devastating/#comment-62785 Robert Ruiz Sun, 12 Mar 2006 15:24:19 +0000 http://sabbah.biz/mt/?p=1260#comment-62785 Mougly, Very well said. We are on the same page here. I totally agree that the west appears to be very materialistic because it is. It is a capitalistic society that allows for the free flow of enterprise. Whoever works hard can improve their lifestyle. What is wrong with that? By the way, the west also has its views. We view the Muslim world as fanatical and religously driven. We see Muslims as manipulated by a few clerics and incited at their whim. We also see the Muslim world as underdeveloped and poor. The west typically does not respect that because it is capitalistic and rich. Here in the US you are judged by what you wear, car you drive, job you have and house you live in. The American dream has to do with having things and wealth. We are totally different cultures. One is not better than the other but different.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('62785','Robert Ruiz'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('62785','Robert Ruiz','Mougly,\r\nVery well said. We are on the same page here. I totally agree that the west appears to be very materialistic because it is. It is a capitalistic society that allows for the free flow of enterprise. Whoever works hard can improve their lifestyle. What is wrong with that? By the way, the west also has its views. We view the Muslim world as fanatical and religously driven. We see Muslims as manipulated by a few clerics and incited at their whim. We also see the Muslim world as underdeveloped and poor. The west typically does not respect that because it is capitalistic and rich. Here in the US you are judged by what you wear, car you drive, job you have and house you live in. The American dream has to do with having things and wealth. We are totally different cultures. One is not better than the other but different.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Mougly,
Very well said. We are on the same page here. I totally agree that the west appears to be very materialistic because it is. It is a capitalistic society that allows for the free flow of enterprise. Whoever works hard can improve their lifestyle. What is wrong with that? By the way, the west also has its views. We view the Muslim world as fanatical and religously driven. We see Muslims as manipulated by a few clerics and incited at their whim. We also see the Muslim world as underdeveloped and poor. The west typically does not respect that because it is capitalistic and rich. Here in the US you are judged by what you wear, car you drive, job you have and house you live in. The American dream has to do with having things and wealth. We are totally different cultures. One is not better than the other but different.
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]]> By: Mougly http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/02/24/cartoons-more-devastating/#comment-62763 Mougly Sun, 12 Mar 2006 03:57:47 +0000 http://sabbah.biz/mt/?p=1260#comment-62763 Robert I agree with you 100%, I do not believe it is the governments responsibility to control what people are allowed to see and how people should express themselves, I was just making the point that when someone is looking at how our society conducts it's business it appears that all westerners care about, is material gain and outward appearances, and are willing to do anything to get it. This is in part is why many in the Muslim world view the west in such a bad light. We as people need to change how we respond to the media and start to educate our children that appearances and material gains are not what is the most important, but what is, is how we deal with one another and that inner beauty and substance is what is really important. Let’s promote family values and community living.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('62763','Mougly'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('62763','Mougly','Robert I agree with you 100%, I do not believe it is the governments responsibility to control what people are allowed to see and how people should express themselves, I was just making the point that when someone is looking at how our society conducts it\'s business it appears that all westerners care about, is material gain and outward appearances, and are willing to do anything to get it. \r\n\r\nThis is in part is why many in the Muslim world view the west in such a bad light.\r\n\r\nWe as people need to change how we respond to the media and start to educate our children that appearances and material gains are not what is the most important, but what is, is how we deal with one another and that inner beauty and substance is what is really important. Let’s promote family values and community living.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Robert I agree with you 100%, I do not believe it is the governments responsibility to control what people are allowed to see and how people should express themselves, I was just making the point that when someone is looking at how our society conducts it’s business it appears that all westerners care about, is material gain and outward appearances, and are willing to do anything to get it.

This is in part is why many in the Muslim world view the west in such a bad light.

We as people need to change how we respond to the media and start to educate our children that appearances and material gains are not what is the most important, but what is, is how we deal with one another and that inner beauty and substance is what is really important. Let’s promote family values and community living.

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]]> By: Robert Ruiz http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/02/24/cartoons-more-devastating/#comment-62283 Robert Ruiz Sat, 11 Mar 2006 14:20:28 +0000 http://sabbah.biz/mt/?p=1260#comment-62283 Mougly, You make some excellent points. There is a lot of hypocrisy in the US method. We don't want our children working in sweatshops for less than minimum wage yet we do business with companies that take advanatage of children overseas. The US is guilty of such involvement but I think the government position is that we do not control what happens over there. If other cultures allow it then they should fix it not us. We are accused of too much involvement and infringement on other countires. The other point you made was how sexualized our culture is and the "sex sells" mentality. That is the result of the freedoms we have. Would you prefer the government to tell us what we can and cannot put on television? It is up to parents to make sure that undesireable content is not viewed by children. The government does not control hip hop messages that glorify violence. The first amendment provides freedom of speech. If people don't like it they can turn the channel or not purchase such music. That is a democracy.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('62283','Robert Ruiz'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('62283','Robert Ruiz','Mougly,\r\nYou make some excellent points. There is a lot of hypocrisy in the US method. We don\'t want our children working in sweatshops for less than minimum wage yet we do business with companies that take advanatage of children overseas. The US is guilty of such involvement but I think the government position is that we do not control what happens over there. If other cultures allow it then they should fix it not us. We are accused of too much involvement and infringement on other countires. The other point you made was how sexualized our culture is and the \"sex sells\" mentality. That is the result of the freedoms we have. Would you prefer the government to tell us what we can and cannot put on television? It is up to parents to make sure that undesireable content is not viewed by children. The government does not control hip hop messages that glorify violence. The first amendment provides freedom of speech. If people don\'t like it they can turn the channel or not purchase such music. That is a democracy.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Mougly,
You make some excellent points. There is a lot of hypocrisy in the US method. We don’t want our children working in sweatshops for less than minimum wage yet we do business with companies that take advanatage of children overseas. The US is guilty of such involvement but I think the government position is that we do not control what happens over there. If other cultures allow it then they should fix it not us. We are accused of too much involvement and infringement on other countires. The other point you made was how sexualized our culture is and the “sex sells” mentality. That is the result of the freedoms we have. Would you prefer the government to tell us what we can and cannot put on television? It is up to parents to make sure that undesireable content is not viewed by children. The government does not control hip hop messages that glorify violence. The first amendment provides freedom of speech. If people don’t like it they can turn the channel or not purchase such music. That is a democracy.
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