Comments on: We all boil at different degrees http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/03/01/we-all-boil-at-different-degrees/ Because Silence is Complicity! Tue, 08 Nov 2011 15:10:04 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: kimmy http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/03/01/we-all-boil-at-different-degrees/#comment-63283 kimmy Wed, 15 Mar 2006 05:40:57 +0000 http://sabbah.biz/mt/?p=1267#comment-63283 I said something right? Thanks Thomas and Robin. I am only expressing my views and my feelings. I said something right?
Thanks Thomas and Robin.
I am only expressing my views and my feelings.

]]> By: Robin http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/03/01/we-all-boil-at-different-degrees/#comment-63185 Robin Tue, 14 Mar 2006 17:28:45 +0000 http://sabbah.biz/mt/?p=1267#comment-63185 I second that AMEN from Thomas. And that comes from a liberal Catholic who attends Mass each week! (a contradiction, I think NOT!) I second that AMEN from Thomas. And that comes from a liberal Catholic who attends Mass each week! (a contradiction, I think NOT!)

]]> By: Thomas, a Dane http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/03/01/we-all-boil-at-different-degrees/#comment-63173 Thomas, a Dane Tue, 14 Mar 2006 13:57:52 +0000 http://sabbah.biz/mt/?p=1267#comment-63173 Amen to that, Kimmy Amen to that, Kimmy

]]> By: kimmy http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/03/01/we-all-boil-at-different-degrees/#comment-63142 kimmy Tue, 14 Mar 2006 01:53:12 +0000 http://sabbah.biz/mt/?p=1267#comment-63142 Keefieboy The word about religion that you used-Avoid. NO, don't avoid. This is from an atheist. The true religions preach peace and tolerance. I don't believe, but I believe in peace and tolerance. Does that make me religious. NO Does that make religious people right. NO. Too many interpertations (bad spelling?) of religious books make too many different views. The problem is too many different views and not enough actual thought about the original teachings. Just an atheist view. Keefieboy
The word about religion that you used-Avoid.
NO, don’t avoid. This is from an atheist.
The true religions preach peace and tolerance.
I don’t believe, but I believe in peace and tolerance.
Does that make me religious. NO
Does that make religious people right. NO.
Too many interpertations (bad spelling?) of religious books make too many different views.
The problem is too many different views and not enough actual thought about the original teachings.
Just an atheist view.

]]> By: Robin http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/03/01/we-all-boil-at-different-degrees/#comment-61980 Robin Fri, 10 Mar 2006 19:53:11 +0000 http://sabbah.biz/mt/?p=1267#comment-61980 Keefieboy, Were you adreessing me? Because if you were I am not at all upset by your statements. I was a Government/history teacher so I agree with you 100% about religion used for harm. Yes the three religions are interconnected but perhaps, the insistance on being "right" sets these three up even more for conflict. As a little girl I always knew "three" could spell disaster for friendship. Just when you think you're all buddies, two of them gang up on the one left. In this case it has been (please note my personal pespective) Fundamentalist Christianity and Judaism ganging up on Islam, which has reverted to violence justified by the terrorists own self-serving interpretation of the Koran. It's perhaps a simplistic statement, but the bottom line is that in these days we are experiencing now, religion has again raised it's very ugly head. Each of the three are positioning themselves to be the "right" and righteous victor as noted by their deeds. On the other hand, and I hope you don't mind me saying this, I think there are some basic human values taught by the various prophets of all these religions. When religion attaches itself to nationalism, that's when the trouble begins. As for myself, I may state I am a Catholic but that does not give you very much information about me. Sometimes I wear the label with pride, and other times I would be referred to as a "Cafeteria Catholic" who picks and chooses just the parts I find convenient. It does not offend me whatsoever if someone suggests I could be wrong Because here the arguement comes full circle: religion used to point to other belief processes as incorrect is not what I seek. If a person keeps his religion to himself, performs good deeds for whatever reason, and is kind to eachother, then that is when they exemplify religion best. We all know poor examples of all religions, that's what makes it difficult for me on a personal level. Just on a note, there are prisons across the mideast housing terrorists, more than in the West. They have spoken out and for that they receive more attack. Thanks! Keefieboy,
Were you adreessing me? Because if you were I am not at all upset by your statements. I was a Government/history teacher so I agree with you 100% about religion used for harm. Yes the three religions are interconnected but perhaps, the insistance on being “right” sets these three up even more for conflict. As a little girl I always knew “three” could spell disaster for friendship. Just when you think you’re all buddies, two of them gang up on the one left. In this case it has been (please note my personal pespective) Fundamentalist Christianity and Judaism ganging up on Islam, which has reverted to violence justified by the terrorists own self-serving interpretation of the Koran. It’s perhaps a simplistic statement, but the bottom line is that in these days we are experiencing now, religion has again raised it’s very ugly head. Each of the three are positioning themselves to be the “right” and righteous victor as noted by their deeds.
On the other hand, and I hope you don’t mind me saying this, I think there are some basic human values taught by the various prophets of all these religions. When religion attaches itself to nationalism, that’s when the trouble begins. As for myself, I may state I am a Catholic but that does not give you very much information about me. Sometimes I wear the label with pride, and other times I would be referred to as a “Cafeteria Catholic” who picks and chooses just the parts I find convenient. It does not offend me whatsoever if someone suggests I could be wrong Because here the arguement comes full circle: religion used to point to other belief processes as incorrect is not what I seek. If a person keeps his religion to himself, performs good deeds for whatever reason, and is kind to eachother, then that is when they exemplify religion best. We all know poor examples of all religions, that’s what makes it difficult for me on a personal level.
Just on a note, there are prisons across the mideast housing terrorists, more than in the West. They have spoken out and for that they receive more attack. Thanks!

]]> By: Keefieboy http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/03/01/we-all-boil-at-different-degrees/#comment-61958 Keefieboy Fri, 10 Mar 2006 16:43:02 +0000 http://sabbah.biz/mt/?p=1267#comment-61958 Brilliant, brilliant post! And what does it tell us about Christianity, Judaism and Islam? Avoid! Please don't be upset by this, but I do believe that organised religions have caused an awful lot of trouble through the centuries. The various Holy Books provide an essential moral code, but they are also overlaid with their own agenda which can be misused by fanatics. These three interlinked religions have all been very useful in the past, but I believe very strongly that they should not be a part of government these days. The world has moved on from needing a 'manual' to tell people how to live. Religion in the west used to control education. And it really prevented development, because only God can invent things. Once the West got over that prohibition we got electricity, trains, cars, aeroplanes, telephones, computers and everything else you can imagine. Some blokes went to the moon! The Islamic world is still mostly controlled by religion, and so the early fire of discovery has been well and truly doused. Muslims are proud to proclaim some of their amazing dicoveries / inventions, but the very sad fact is that they were all about a thousand years ago. Islam has a terrible reputation in the western world now, because at no stage has it ever publicly condemned any acts of terror (I may be wrong on this - feel free to educate me). Because it has no single leadership figure who can stand up and say 'not in the name of Islam'. Because a lot of little guys in masjids say 'way to go guys! do it some more!' The idea that some Muslims can be wound up to the point of killing people and burning down buildings because somebody printed some cartoons they've never seen, causes extreme bafflement in the west. This is not rational behaviour, now is it? Brilliant, brilliant post! And what does it tell us about Christianity, Judaism and Islam? Avoid!

Please don’t be upset by this, but I do believe that organised religions have caused an awful lot of trouble through the centuries. The various Holy Books provide an essential moral code, but they are also overlaid with their own agenda which can be misused by fanatics.

These three interlinked religions have all been very useful in the past, but I believe very strongly that they should not be a part of government these days. The world has moved on from needing a ‘manual’ to tell people how to live.

Religion in the west used to control education. And it really prevented development, because only God can invent things. Once the West got over that prohibition we got electricity, trains, cars, aeroplanes, telephones, computers and everything else you can imagine. Some blokes went to the moon!

The Islamic world is still mostly controlled by religion, and so the early fire of discovery has been well and truly doused. Muslims are proud to proclaim some of their amazing dicoveries / inventions, but the very sad fact is that they were all about a thousand years ago.

Islam has a terrible reputation in the western world now, because at no stage has it ever publicly condemned any acts of terror (I may be wrong on this – feel free to educate me). Because it has no single leadership figure who can stand up and say ‘not in the name of Islam’. Because a lot of little guys in masjids say ‘way to go guys! do it some more!’

The idea that some Muslims can be wound up to the point of killing people and burning down buildings because somebody printed some cartoons they’ve never seen, causes extreme bafflement in the west. This is not rational behaviour, now is it?

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]]> By: Robin http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/03/01/we-all-boil-at-different-degrees/#comment-60732 Robin Wed, 08 Mar 2006 08:00:44 +0000 http://sabbah.biz/mt/?p=1267#comment-60732 Kimmy, I followed your rambling which was probably just as clear as "normal" writing, possibly more so, even if I DID have to read it three times! Is it the religion thing that bothers you the most? Cause I know it scares me. It scares me when other people try to force their's on me. But even as I am writing this I am realizing that they think I'm trying to force my ideas on them. They even consider your spirituality as your religion, or another's atheism as theirs. Why can't we all be talking about DEEDS rather than beliefs? The business thing, well that's a subject of a ten-volume text. You're right, we CANNOT do a damn thing about the past. We all have to act in an ethical manner NOW. Is it possible for that to include the values of a religion? Maybe there is a very big distinction. It took me ONE HECK OF A LONG TIME to dedicate to my Catholocism. And even then, as an educated rational person I hope to God I am able to decipher the value from the insistance of others to believe the same. I think you are referring to spiritulism and humanism as being better tools to use for the good of the world. I agree with you on that. But maybe, just maybe one can find that within relgion. I don't know, I'm beginning to question it myself a bit. Too much of it is a means to prove your right. After all, it IS the one topic I find indiscussable for the sheer fact it is FAITH and not science. Here I've gone on a major ramble. Hope I made a little sense. Masalama Kimmy,
I followed your rambling which was probably just as clear as “normal” writing, possibly more so, even if I DID have to read it three times! Is it the religion thing that bothers you the most? Cause I know it scares me. It scares me when other people try to force their’s on me. But even as I am writing this I am realizing that they think I’m trying to force my ideas on them. They even consider your spirituality as your religion, or another’s atheism as theirs. Why can’t we all be talking about DEEDS rather than beliefs? The business thing, well that’s a subject of a ten-volume text. You’re right, we CANNOT do a damn thing about the past. We all have to act in an ethical manner NOW. Is it possible for that to include the values of a religion? Maybe there is a very big distinction. It took me ONE HECK OF A LONG TIME to dedicate to my Catholocism. And even then, as an educated rational person I hope to God I am able to decipher the value from the insistance of others to believe the same. I think you are referring to spiritulism and humanism as being better tools to use for the good of the world. I agree with you on that. But maybe, just maybe one can find that within relgion. I don’t know, I’m beginning to question it myself a bit. Too much of it is a means to prove your right. After all, it IS the one topic I find indiscussable for the sheer fact it is FAITH and not science. Here I’ve gone on a major ramble. Hope I made a little sense. Masalama

]]> By: kimmy http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/03/01/we-all-boil-at-different-degrees/#comment-60723 kimmy Wed, 08 Mar 2006 07:16:26 +0000 http://sabbah.biz/mt/?p=1267#comment-60723 I read all of this post. What I found most interesting was that a lot was digging up of the past. When I was a teenager I "fell in love" with a beautiful blonde and blue eyed girl in my class. Her father was a pilot for the German air force during WWII. My mother told me not to associate with her. My father asked me where they lived. I told him and he went to visit him with a bottle of booze and they spent several nights talking about something they would not tell me. My father was in the Danish Resistence. My girlfriend's father was a pilot over Denmark, when Denmark surrenderd. The past is the past. Dwell on it and you will suffer the past. Accept the world today as it is and forget the past and you will be a better person. If we all dwelled on the past the crusades would start all over again. The Spanish Inquisition would start again. So would a lot of other wasted religious faults. Can the individual not have any say in this world? Has big corp. ruined our say in this world? Could this be a problem? Big corp. is controlling this world and religion is just trying to get a small bit of control? Religion is important to most people and big corp. find this as a hurdle that has to be removed. Obviously most big corp. that are religious are Christian. Starting to explain a lot. I don't know if I am rambling but I see things that bother me. I read all of this post. What I found most interesting was that a lot was digging up of the past.
When I was a teenager I “fell in love” with a beautiful blonde and blue eyed girl in my class. Her father was a pilot for the German air force during WWII. My mother told me not to associate with her. My father asked me where they lived. I told him and he went to visit him with a bottle of booze and they spent several nights talking about something they would not tell me. My father was in the Danish Resistence. My girlfriend’s father was a pilot over Denmark, when Denmark surrenderd.
The past is the past. Dwell on it and you will suffer the past.
Accept the world today as it is and forget the past and you will be a better person.
If we all dwelled on the past the crusades would start all over again. The Spanish Inquisition would start again. So would a lot of other wasted religious faults.
Can the individual not have any say in this world? Has big corp. ruined our say in this world?
Could this be a problem? Big corp. is controlling this world and religion is just trying to get a small bit of control?
Religion is important to most people and big corp. find this as a hurdle that has to be removed. Obviously most big corp. that are religious are Christian. Starting to explain a lot.
I don’t know if I am rambling but I see things that bother me.

]]> By: Robin http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/03/01/we-all-boil-at-different-degrees/#comment-60546 Robin Wed, 08 Mar 2006 00:51:48 +0000 http://sabbah.biz/mt/?p=1267#comment-60546 Wylie, In short, I taught US government to high school honors students as well as history. Warrren Court huh? Well there you go blaming our liberal ex-governor from California who went on to become the Chief Justice of our US Supreme Court. I think he would be proud to have you think he is responsible for separation of church and state as it has become, but alas, it was the framers Please don't accuse Mr. Warren of something he didn't do. I also said grace in my public school as a child. That was before I even knew some other people of different faiths might not feel comfortable. I cherish our American freedom to practice ones own faith, just don't do it in the public arena. This is not the forum to discuss the US constitution. I am a liberal democrat and Catholic who believes in keeping your religion in your own life, church and family. If you don't like something you think is too liberal, don't do it. I sure hope you have those guns in a safe place but every responsible gun owner knows that. And no this is not the place to discuss the role of the American Fundamentalist movement encroaching on my rights or Thomas's concern from a European view. We got off topic. But I must admit I'm on simmer. Haitham, if you read here, bring us all back if you can. Or maybe the topic itself led to this digression. Maybe that WAS the topic. I just had a moment of revelation! Or maybe it's just a headache. Peace to all, yes and to you too Wylie. PS the topic was about people saying Islam teaches hatred and then Haitham posted verses from the Torah and other Judaic writings to make a point. He also set us all up. Thanks Haitham! Wylie,
In short, I taught US government to high school honors students as well as history. Warrren Court huh? Well there you go blaming our liberal ex-governor from California who went on to become the Chief Justice of our US Supreme Court. I think he would be proud to have you think he is responsible for separation of church and state as it has become, but alas, it was the framers Please don’t accuse Mr. Warren of something he didn’t do. I also said grace in my public school as a child. That was before I even knew some other people of different faiths might not feel comfortable. I cherish our American freedom to practice ones own faith, just don’t do it in the public arena. This is not the forum to discuss the US constitution. I am a liberal democrat and Catholic who believes in keeping your religion in your own life, church and family. If you don’t like something you think is too liberal, don’t do it. I sure hope you have those guns in a safe place but every responsible gun owner knows that. And no this is not the place to discuss the role of the American Fundamentalist movement encroaching on my rights or Thomas’s concern from a European view. We got off topic. But I must admit I’m on simmer.

Haitham, if you read here, bring us all back if you can. Or maybe the topic itself led to this digression. Maybe that WAS the topic. I just had a moment of revelation! Or maybe it’s just a headache. Peace to all, yes and to you too Wylie.

PS the topic was about people saying Islam teaches hatred and then Haitham posted verses from the Torah and other Judaic writings to make a point. He also set us all up. Thanks Haitham!

]]> By: wylie http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/03/01/we-all-boil-at-different-degrees/#comment-60525 wylie Tue, 07 Mar 2006 23:14:06 +0000 http://sabbah.biz/mt/?p=1267#comment-60525 Haitham, thank you for your excellent explaination in post 35. It is nice to hear about attempts and stratagies to change repressive regimes. And about what actions hurt and help. Robin, greetings from an evangelical Christian, politically conserative, gun owning American. Please ponder your concern, shared by Thomas, A Dane, that there is a movement to 'force' people to live a certian way. I know many Fundemental Christians and conservative Catholics, most of them strong republicans(I tend more libertarian) who have no desire to force their beliefs on anyone or to make them change their lifestyles. Many of us are, however, troubled by the attempt of many in America religate religion to the same place it now holds in Europe. Please reread the constitution. It DOES NOT call for the separation of church and state. That was a belief created by the Warren Court. It says congress can not create a state religion or prevent the free excerse there of. Many of us feel we are trying to reclaim rights that have been stolen, many in my own lifetime. When I was in public elementary school, the teacher would say grace before we went to lunch. There was a prayer for protection before ball games and Christmas pagents in schools. Not in an attempt to preach, but as recognition of our shared values. I do not think these things are unconstitutional. It was common pratice for over for 180 years after the Constitution was ratified. Now, if the people of any state, county, or city decide(democratically) they do not want that practice, then it should not be allowed. I am confident Californians would maintain the status quo. I hardly believe that is a radical idea, letting democracy decide. If however, we start talking about a forced code of behavior, or forced worship then most 'evangelicals' will be the first to object. Christians greatly value the freedom of religion. I know this web site is not about American religion, but the subject was being discussed and I could not help but respond. Peace to all of you. Haitham, thank you for your excellent explaination in post 35. It is nice to hear about attempts and stratagies to change repressive regimes. And about what actions hurt and help.

Robin, greetings from an evangelical Christian, politically conserative, gun owning American. Please ponder your concern, shared by Thomas, A Dane, that there is a movement to ‘force’ people to live a certian way. I know many Fundemental Christians and conservative Catholics, most of them strong republicans(I tend more libertarian) who have no desire to force their beliefs on anyone or to make them change their lifestyles. Many of us are, however, troubled by the attempt of many in America religate religion to the same place it now holds in Europe. Please reread the constitution. It DOES NOT call for the separation of church and state. That was a belief created by the Warren Court. It says congress can not create a state religion or prevent the free excerse there of. Many of us feel we are trying to reclaim rights that have been stolen, many in my own lifetime. When I was in public elementary school, the teacher would say grace before we went to lunch. There was a prayer for protection before ball games and Christmas pagents in schools. Not in an attempt to preach, but as recognition of our shared values. I do not think these things are unconstitutional. It was common pratice for over for 180 years after the Constitution was ratified. Now, if the people of any state, county, or city decide(democratically) they do not want that practice, then it should not be allowed. I am confident Californians would maintain the status quo. I hardly believe that is a radical idea, letting democracy decide.
If however, we start talking about a forced code of behavior, or forced worship then most ‘evangelicals’ will be the first to object. Christians greatly value the freedom of religion.
I know this web site is not about American religion, but the subject was being discussed and I could not help but respond.
Peace to all of you.

]]> By: Robin http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/03/01/we-all-boil-at-different-degrees/#comment-60332 Robin Tue, 07 Mar 2006 13:53:18 +0000 http://sabbah.biz/mt/?p=1267#comment-60332 One more thought. When the forceful type of fundamentalism is so very much in bed so to speak with our current administration, what ARE people to think. These two ARE in cahoots with eachother Kinzi and it DOES scare me. But you do not and neither do the friends I have who are more rational. Peace:) One more thought. When the forceful type of fundamentalism is so very much in bed so to speak with our current administration, what ARE people to think. These two ARE in cahoots with eachother Kinzi and it DOES scare me. But you do not and neither do the friends I have who are more rational. Peace:)

]]> By: Robin http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/03/01/we-all-boil-at-different-degrees/#comment-60331 Robin Tue, 07 Mar 2006 13:52:53 +0000 http://sabbah.biz/mt/?p=1267#comment-60331 One more thought. When the forceful type of fundamentalism is so very much in bed so to speak with our current administration, what ARE people to think. These two ARE in cahoots with eachother Kinzi and it DOES scare me. But you do not and neither do the friends I have who are more rational. Peace:) One more thought. When the forceful type of fundamentalism is so very much in bed so to speak with our current administration, what ARE people to think. These two ARE in cahoots with eachother Kinzi and it DOES scare me. But you do not and neither do the friends I have who are more rational. Peace:)

]]> By: Robin http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/03/01/we-all-boil-at-different-degrees/#comment-60330 Robin Tue, 07 Mar 2006 13:45:45 +0000 http://sabbah.biz/mt/?p=1267#comment-60330 Kinzi and Thomas, I can honestly say that about half my friends are "fundamentalists". I'm a liberal (very liberal) Catholic. Perhaps Thomas and I are making the same exact mistake that is made when discussing Fundamentalist Islam. I don't know Kinzi how much access you have to news here on the forefront but Thomas is correct when he says that fundamentalism is on the rise here in the US, and unfortunately, it's of the forceful nature that he is referring to. Fundamentalists who wish to dramatically change our secular nation are using the voting booth and the pulpit to enact laws and elect representatives to do the same. These laws are DEFINITELY right straight out of the Bible which is even being forced by them to use in the classroom. Then we have the honorable Reverand Pat Robertson suggesting the the assassination of Hugo Chavez. The crazies are there Kinzi, no doubt about it. Some of the worse hatred I have seen thrown at Moslems over on other blogs is from self proclaimed fundamentalist Christians. I think that is the distinction that needs to be made. I had one of those enlightening momemets yesterday when I realized that the goal of ANY religion is to spread. This earth is becoming way to small for all these ideas to peacefully coexist if the adherants are not willing to take their faiths back to the privated realm. That goes for all of them. Having said that though, I think the basic tenets of these religions ARE to give us guidelines. I just think the balance is at a dangerous point in our history right now. I think EVERYONE should be able to practice their faith, in church, in private, in charities. But the problem I think is that too often the forceful fundamentalists Thomas is referring to (both Moslem and Christian or whatever)are crossing the line into the realm of forcing their values on others. Yes, I know their intentions are good, but for those of us others who do not share those same values it scares the heck out of them. Having said that, Peace and Prayers to both of you if I may, I'll be sure to perform them in the quiet of my own mind. Kinzi and Thomas,
I can honestly say that about half my friends are “fundamentalists”. I’m a liberal (very liberal) Catholic.
Perhaps Thomas and I are making the same exact mistake that is made when discussing Fundamentalist Islam. I don’t know Kinzi how much access you have to news here on the forefront but Thomas is correct when he says that fundamentalism is on the rise here in the US, and unfortunately, it’s of the forceful nature that he is referring to. Fundamentalists who wish to dramatically change our secular nation are using the voting booth and the pulpit to enact laws and elect representatives to do the same. These laws are DEFINITELY right straight out of the Bible which is even being forced by them to use in the classroom. Then we have the honorable Reverand Pat Robertson suggesting the the assassination of Hugo Chavez. The crazies are there Kinzi, no doubt about it. Some of the worse hatred I have seen thrown at Moslems over on other blogs is from self proclaimed fundamentalist Christians. I think that is the distinction that needs to be made. I had one of those enlightening momemets yesterday when I realized that the goal of ANY religion is to spread. This earth is becoming way to small for all these ideas to peacefully coexist if the adherants are not willing to take their faiths back to the privated realm. That goes for all of them. Having said that though, I think the basic tenets of these religions ARE to give us guidelines. I just think the balance is at a dangerous point in our history right now. I think EVERYONE should be able to practice their faith, in church, in private, in charities. But the problem I think is that too often the forceful fundamentalists Thomas is referring to (both Moslem and Christian or whatever)are crossing the line into the realm of forcing their values on others. Yes, I know their intentions are good, but for those of us others who do not share those same values it scares the heck out of them. Having said that, Peace and Prayers to both of you if I may, I’ll be sure to perform them in the quiet of my own mind.

]]> By: Thomas, a Dane http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/03/01/we-all-boil-at-different-degrees/#comment-60170 Thomas, a Dane Tue, 07 Mar 2006 08:52:31 +0000 http://sabbah.biz/mt/?p=1267#comment-60170 Kinzi, I am sorry if you feel offended, but please note that I was talking about Christianists and Christianist extremists. That doesnt' have anything to do with conspiracy theory; it is just an observation of that there are some people who belive strongly and some people who believe forcefully. If you belong to the first group, then we can live peacefully together in a civilized world, but if you cannot tolerate that I do not believe in your ways and if you think it is your calling to 'show me the light' and correct 'my evil ways' then we cannot. That your emperor keeps admitting that God is participating in his decision making though he is supposed to be the president of a country where church and state is separated is a hint to me that he may belong to the second group. If he had not admitted it, then it would be a conspiracy theory, but since he readily admits to it then it is my perception based on an observation. By the way, I have always found it a bit strange that someone who talks to God is a believer, but someone who talks to blue elephants is mentally ill. ;) Kinzi,

I am sorry if you feel offended, but please note that I was talking about Christianists and Christianist extremists. That doesnt’ have anything to do with conspiracy theory; it is just an observation of that there are some people who belive strongly and some people who believe forcefully. If you belong to the first group, then we can live peacefully together in a civilized world, but if you cannot tolerate that I do not believe in your ways and if you think it is your calling to ‘show me the light’ and correct ‘my evil ways’ then we cannot.

That your emperor keeps admitting that God is participating in his decision making though he is supposed to be the president of a country where church and state is separated is a hint to me that he may belong to the second group. If he had not admitted it, then it would be a conspiracy theory, but since he readily admits to it then it is my perception based on an observation.

By the way, I have always found it a bit strange that someone who talks to God is a believer, but someone who talks to blue elephants is mentally ill. ;)

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