Comments on: Replacing Burqa with Surgical Mask http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/03/08/replacing-burqa-with-surgical-mask/ Because Silence is Complicity! Tue, 08 Nov 2011 15:10:04 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Khadijahttp://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/03/08/replacing-burqa-with-surgical-mask/#comment-360771 Khadija Sat, 28 Mar 2009 22:07:07 +0000 http://sabbah.biz/mt/?p=1274#comment-360771 As Salaam Alaykom: I always wear the Hijab, but in the USA people think you are crazy if you wear the Niqab. I have a SKYPE account that I use to keep in touch with friends in other countries. I do not know how they do it, but once in a while I get contacted by men from the Middle East, and since I am not married, I talk to them once in a while I talk to them on chat. More than once, men have asked me to turn on my video, wear my Niqab and take my clothes off. I think some Arab men have a Niqab Fetish. :( Khadija As Salaam Alaykom:
I always wear the Hijab, but in the USA people think you are crazy if you wear the Niqab.

I have a SKYPE account that I use to keep in touch with friends in other countries. I do not know how they do it, but once in a while I get contacted by men from the Middle East, and since I am not married, I talk to them once in a while I talk to them on chat.

More than once, men have asked me to turn on my video, wear my Niqab and take my clothes off.

I think some Arab men have a Niqab Fetish. :(

Khadija

]]> By: Alanhttp://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/03/08/replacing-burqa-with-surgical-mask/#comment-354017 Alan Sat, 02 Aug 2008 10:14:34 +0000 http://sabbah.biz/mt/?p=1274#comment-354017 Burqa or not burqa, it's really up to the person who wears it to decide. But certainly not when they are flying out of the country, surely the passports showing a woman with a burqa is the same as no passport at all? And I once saw, in Luton Airport, Britain, a woman on passport control, having a look at passports for travellers into England. Fine, but she was wearing a burqa! Surely a question of "don't do as I do, do as I say!" If I, an English man, had a picture in my passport of me with a balaclava helmet on, I would be stopped? Burqa or not burqa, it’s really up to the person who wears it to decide.
But certainly not when they are flying out of the country, surely the passports showing a woman with a burqa is the same as no passport at all?
And I once saw, in Luton Airport, Britain, a woman on passport control, having a look at passports for travellers into England. Fine, but she was wearing a burqa! Surely a question of “don’t do as I do, do as I say!” If I, an English man, had a picture in my passport of me with a balaclava helmet on, I would be stopped?

]]> By: tarikurhttp://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/03/08/replacing-burqa-with-surgical-mask/#comment-306060 tarikur Sat, 18 Nov 2006 20:20:42 +0000 http://sabbah.biz/mt/?p=1274#comment-306060 We all know why they can't ban the full Muslim veil or hijab because Nuns wear the same veil for the same reason. Why is it when nuns wear veil, people consider them holy and pious but when Muslim women wear veil, people consider them 'submissive and oppressed'? We all know why they can’t ban the full Muslim veil or hijab because Nuns wear the same veil for the same reason.

Why is it when nuns wear veil, people consider them holy and pious but when Muslim women wear veil, people consider them ‘submissive and oppressed’?

]]> By: tarikurhttp://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/03/08/replacing-burqa-with-surgical-mask/#comment-306059 tarikur Sat, 18 Nov 2006 20:19:59 +0000 http://sabbah.biz/mt/?p=1274#comment-306059 It kills the Westerners to think that Muslim women actually choose to wear it. Only thing they want to believe is that women are forced to wear it by men. Look at the countries like Turkey or Tunisia that government banned it and discourage it. But the Muslim women continue to wear it with big numbers. In the BBC news, they said 65% of the all women in Turkey wear veil. Very, very small percentage of women are forced to wear it by men but nearly all women wear it because they choose to wear it. It kills the Westerners to think that Muslim women actually choose to wear it. Only thing they want to believe is that women are forced to wear it by men.

Look at the countries like Turkey or Tunisia that government banned it and discourage it. But the Muslim women continue to wear it with big numbers. In the BBC news, they said 65% of the all women in Turkey wear veil.

Very, very small percentage of women are forced to wear it by men but nearly all women wear it because they choose to wear it.

]]> By: tarikurhttp://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/03/08/replacing-burqa-with-surgical-mask/#comment-306058 tarikur Sat, 18 Nov 2006 20:18:41 +0000 http://sabbah.biz/mt/?p=1274#comment-306058 This is just show that Europeans have no tolerance and oppress women just as European accuses the Muslim of doing. Banning a woman to wear veil is same as forcing a women to wear veil, both are oppressive to women and violates women's right. Congratulation Dutch people, you guys are just like Taliban. This just show Europeans don't care about Freedom, Democracy, Diversity, Torlance, Women's Right, Religious' Right, Minority' Right, Human Rights. Next, time they preach those things, just laugh at them as jokes. This is just show that Europeans have no tolerance and oppress women just as European accuses the Muslim of doing. Banning a woman to wear veil is same as forcing a women to wear veil, both are oppressive to women and violates women’s right. Congratulation Dutch people, you guys are just like Taliban.

This just show Europeans don’t care about Freedom, Democracy, Diversity, Torlance, Women’s Right, Religious’ Right, Minority’ Right, Human Rights. Next, time they preach those things, just laugh at them as jokes.

]]> By: Shively, PCC/PSU Beavertonhttp://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/03/08/replacing-burqa-with-surgical-mask/#comment-181899 Shively, PCC/PSU Beaverton Mon, 10 Jul 2006 09:57:31 +0000 http://sabbah.biz/mt/?p=1274#comment-181899 Perhaps this is a sign that you should go back to your mask wearing countries and enjoy the limmited freedoms you get from there. See, every one has given up something to go to the free countries. Free in the sense that you won't be shot for what you say, free that women are equal to men, free to practice your religion with in boundries that do not disrupt others. Your mask is a sign that to us, USA, France, england ( free countries) that women are still oppressed. Yes, its also a security measure. If you really are against the terror ploters, bombers etc than you should be willing to give up a little old mask to help your new adobtped country out. After all, that NEW country is providing many other freedoms that you would not otherwise enjoy. Perhaps this is a sign that you should go back to your mask wearing countries and enjoy the limmited freedoms you get from there. See, every one has given up something to go to the free countries. Free in the sense that you won’t be shot for what you say, free that women are equal to men, free to practice your religion with in boundries that do not disrupt others.

Your mask is a sign that to us, USA, France, england ( free countries) that women are still oppressed. Yes, its also a security measure. If you really are against the terror ploters, bombers etc than you should be willing to give up a little old mask to help your new adobtped country out. After all, that NEW country is providing many other freedoms that you would not otherwise enjoy.

]]> By: Deebahttp://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/03/08/replacing-burqa-with-surgical-mask/#comment-112857 Deeba Thu, 25 May 2006 22:14:59 +0000 http://sabbah.biz/mt/?p=1274#comment-112857 i think it is a matter of individual choice what you do or do not wear, when the state is given the power to stop one group wear certain garments where does it end? Ordering people to eat certain foods at certain tmes? Telling people what they can dow ith their leisure time? What to read? What to believe? If you want that go and live in Saudia Arabia, but do not give up valuable freedoms because of hysteria and ideaology. i think it is a matter of individual choice what you do or do not wear, when the state is given the power to stop one group wear certain garments where does it end?

Ordering people to eat certain foods at certain tmes?

Telling people what they can dow ith their leisure time?

What to read?

What to believe?

If you want that go and live in Saudia Arabia, but do not give up valuable freedoms because of hysteria and ideaology.

]]> By: Robinhttp://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/03/08/replacing-burqa-with-surgical-mask/#comment-64028 Robin Sat, 18 Mar 2006 14:14:56 +0000 http://sabbah.biz/mt/?p=1274#comment-64028 Mougley, The irony of your statement is that "I" think that it can still reinforce Sumeyya's statement. In Saudi Arabia, marriages are very often between cousins who DO know eachother prior to becoming engaged. But IF the marriage is arranged, they certainly don't DATE prior to marriage. In fact, they are lucky if they get to see each other much at all unless they are outside their country in a freer environment Someone such as Sumeyya would MORE than likely know her future husband because she lives here in the States in a MUCH more open society where she is allowed the freedoms of movement and association. But without her here to contribute we don't know exactly WHAT she would say about this (it's just my opinion) Isn't the whole purpose for the man not to LUST after the woman underneath the burqua? Love in a "platonic" sense is NOT as easily obtainable in a society where men and women don't mix period. Just my own take, but I think you hit the nail on it's head Mougley,
The irony of your statement is that “I” think that it can still reinforce Sumeyya’s statement. In Saudi Arabia, marriages are very often between cousins who DO know eachother prior to becoming engaged. But IF the marriage is arranged, they certainly don’t DATE prior to marriage. In fact, they are lucky if they get to see each other much at all unless they are outside their country in a freer environment Someone such as Sumeyya would MORE than likely know her future husband because she lives here in the States in a MUCH more open society where she is allowed the freedoms of movement and association. But without her here to contribute we don’t know exactly WHAT she would say about this (it’s just my opinion) Isn’t the whole purpose for the man not to LUST after the woman underneath the burqua? Love in a “platonic” sense is NOT as easily obtainable in a society where men and women don’t mix period. Just my own take, but I think you hit the nail on it’s head

]]> By: Robinhttp://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/03/08/replacing-burqa-with-surgical-mask/#comment-64029 Robin Sat, 18 Mar 2006 14:14:56 +0000 http://sabbah.biz/mt/?p=1274#comment-64029 Mougley, The irony of your statement is that "I" think that it can still reinforce Sumeyya's statement. In Saudi Arabia, marriages are very often between cousins who DO know eachother prior to becoming engaged. But IF the marriage is arranged, they certainly don't DATE prior to marriage. In fact, they are lucky if they get to see each other much at all unless they are outside their country in a freer environment Someone such as Sumeyya would MORE than likely know her future husband because she lives here in the States in a MUCH more open society where she is allowed the freedoms of movement and association. But without her here to contribute we don't know exactly WHAT she would say about this (it's just my opinion) Isn't the whole purpose for the man not to LUST after the woman underneath the burqua? Love in a "platonic" sense is NOT as easily obtainable in a society where men and women don't mix period. Just my own take, but I think you hit the nail on it's head Mougley,
The irony of your statement is that “I” think that it can still reinforce Sumeyya’s statement. In Saudi Arabia, marriages are very often between cousins who DO know eachother prior to becoming engaged. But IF the marriage is arranged, they certainly don’t DATE prior to marriage. In fact, they are lucky if they get to see each other much at all unless they are outside their country in a freer environment Someone such as Sumeyya would MORE than likely know her future husband because she lives here in the States in a MUCH more open society where she is allowed the freedoms of movement and association. But without her here to contribute we don’t know exactly WHAT she would say about this (it’s just my opinion) Isn’t the whole purpose for the man not to LUST after the woman underneath the burqua? Love in a “platonic” sense is NOT as easily obtainable in a society where men and women don’t mix period. Just my own take, but I think you hit the nail on it’s head

]]> By: Mouglyhttp://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/03/08/replacing-burqa-with-surgical-mask/#comment-63896 Mougly Sat, 18 Mar 2006 07:39:56 +0000 http://sabbah.biz/mt/?p=1274#comment-63896 Hello all I was just reading some of the comments and couldn't help shaking my head, the idea of the Birka being a tool used to get the man to fall in love with the personality not the looks, is an outrageous one and could not be further from reality...ultra conservative Muslims who demand that women wear the Birka do not allow or commonly practice dating, or (lets get to know each other before we marry) thing...marriages are usually arranged by the families. Hello all

I was just reading some of the comments and couldn’t help shaking my head, the idea of the Birka being a tool used to get the man to fall in love with the personality not the looks, is an outrageous one and could not be further from reality…ultra conservative Muslims who demand that women wear the Birka do not allow or commonly practice dating, or (lets get to know each other before we marry) thing…marriages are usually arranged by the families.

]]> By: kimmyhttp://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/03/08/replacing-burqa-with-surgical-mask/#comment-63437 kimmy Thu, 16 Mar 2006 03:50:49 +0000 http://sabbah.biz/mt/?p=1274#comment-63437 Robert Ruiz I have been married for almost 33 years. My wife is religious but not a chuch goer. I don't question her. I don't believe. She doesn't question me. Love is more important. My wife's brother lives in the US and he called me after we told him that his mother died. His only comment was that he was sorry but that the whole Muslim people should be wiped off the map because they are all terrorists. On top of that, he is an ordained minister. Talk about an ignorant idiot. He doesn't see the religious right bombing abortion clinics in the name of God. Earlier I was joking. I find that religions are the main problems of our world. Usually it is the extreemists, but the moderates are not speaking out, and that is just as bad. On both sides! Robert Ruiz
I have been married for almost 33 years. My wife is religious but not a chuch goer. I don’t question her. I don’t believe. She doesn’t question me. Love is more important.
My wife’s brother lives in the US and he called me after we told him that his mother died.
His only comment was that he was sorry but that the whole Muslim people should be wiped off the map because they are all terrorists.
On top of that, he is an ordained minister.
Talk about an ignorant idiot. He doesn’t see the religious right bombing abortion clinics in the name of God.
Earlier I was joking.
I find that religions are the main problems of our world.
Usually it is the extreemists, but the moderates are not speaking out, and that is just as bad. On both sides!

]]> By: Robert Ruizhttp://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/03/08/replacing-burqa-with-surgical-mask/#comment-63391 Robert Ruiz Wed, 15 Mar 2006 15:28:08 +0000 http://sabbah.biz/mt/?p=1274#comment-63391 Kimmy, Was that last comment meant to be funny? Seriously, I could not tell. Anyway, here in the west we try to give women equal rights as men. I don't believe that it is part of what the east believes should be. For example, I consider myself equal with my wife. We both work, wash dishes, vacuum the carpet, do the laundry etc. I am not above her and she is not above me. We make decisions together including financial. That is perhaps why the west and the east have a disconnect. Both of our customs are different. Ours is not necessarily better, it is what works for us. The west views Muslim culture as suppressing women's rights to self-actualize or be all they can be. I understand that in some Muslim or Arab countries women are not allowed to vote or drive vehicles for example. Here in the west we consider that repressive and appalling. What say you? Kimmy,
Was that last comment meant to be funny? Seriously, I could not tell. Anyway, here in the west we try to give women equal rights as men. I don’t believe that it is part of what the east believes should be. For example, I consider myself equal with my wife. We both work, wash dishes, vacuum the carpet, do the laundry etc. I am not above her and she is not above me. We make decisions together including financial. That is perhaps why the west and the east have a disconnect. Both of our customs are different. Ours is not necessarily better, it is what works for us. The west views Muslim culture as suppressing women’s rights to self-actualize or be all they can be. I understand that in some Muslim or Arab countries women are not allowed to vote or drive vehicles for example. Here in the west we consider that repressive and appalling. What say you?

]]> By: kimmyhttp://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/03/08/replacing-burqa-with-surgical-mask/#comment-63279 kimmy Wed, 15 Mar 2006 05:34:14 +0000 http://sabbah.biz/mt/?p=1274#comment-63279 Robert Ruiz If we had to wear the burqa we would either attract more women or be arrested for robbing banks! Robert Ruiz
If we had to wear the burqa we would either attract more women or be arrested for robbing banks!

]]> By: Robert Ruizhttp://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/03/08/replacing-burqa-with-surgical-mask/#comment-63179 Robert Ruiz Tue, 14 Mar 2006 15:36:11 +0000 http://sabbah.biz/mt/?p=1274#comment-63179 Kimmy, Your correspondence was well received by me. Lest we be remiss, you are a special individual and not typical by any means when we consider men. Even if you are not a believer you could have accompanied your spouse in her hour of need just to support her. That aside, I believe as you that too much attention is put on physical appearance. My first wife pursured me with poetry and flamboyance. I was not attracted to her that much so I ignored her advances. One day I decided to talk to her and I instantly fell in love with her personality. We married for four years and then the differences became too much. The burqa has some validity from my western perspective but it still seems to me that it is men controlling women. Why don't men put burqas on? Kimmy,
Your correspondence was well received by me. Lest we be remiss, you are a special individual and not typical by any means when we consider men. Even if you are not a believer you could have accompanied your spouse in her hour of need just to support her. That aside, I believe as you that too much attention is put on physical appearance. My first wife pursured me with poetry and flamboyance. I was not attracted to her that much so I ignored her advances. One day I decided to talk to her and I instantly fell in love with her personality. We married for four years and then the differences became too much. The burqa has some validity from my western perspective but it still seems to me that it is men controlling women. Why don’t men put burqas on?

]]> By: Robinhttp://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/03/08/replacing-burqa-with-surgical-mask/#comment-63172 Robin Tue, 14 Mar 2006 13:56:22 +0000 http://sabbah.biz/mt/?p=1274#comment-63172 Hi Again Sumeyya, Sorry to bother you, but let me give you a short story of why I asked: One time, way back before Saudi Arabia had freeways, my husband (then) and I were driving from Riyadh to Al Khobar. It was a seven hour drive with only one gas station in between in the middle of the desert. EVERYONE had to stop there to refuel. We had our cat in the car with us with a large supply of Evian. Close to the gas station, which was also a watering station for the camels, we came across a bedouin close to the road with his herd. He was a beautiful sight to behold with munitions crossed over his chest and his rifle by his side. I asked my husband to stop. We spoke to him and with his bedouin hospitality he spent time speaking with us. I asked my husband to ask him if we could take his picture and he replied "il A'ax". It was the only time I actually heard someone say it although I knew about it. We politely understood that it was against his belief to allow a picture to be taken. On the other hand, my Swedish girl friend and I regularly took our cameras with us to the souk and the women selling spices allowed us freely to take their pictures. I guess what I'm saying is that it all depended on WHOSE picture you wanted to take. Anyways, sorry for rambling, but I just wanted to share my own experience with "il A'ax" Good Luck again! Hi Again Sumeyya,
Sorry to bother you, but let me give you a short story of why I asked: One time, way back before Saudi Arabia had freeways, my husband (then) and I were driving from Riyadh to Al Khobar. It was a seven hour drive with only one gas station in between in the middle of the desert. EVERYONE had to stop there to refuel. We had our cat in the car with us with a large supply of Evian. Close to the gas station, which was also a watering station for the camels, we came across a bedouin close to the road with his herd. He was a beautiful sight to behold with munitions crossed over his chest and his rifle by his side. I asked my husband to stop. We spoke to him and with his bedouin hospitality he spent time speaking with us. I asked my husband to ask him if we could take his picture and he replied “il A’ax”. It was the only time I actually heard someone say it although I knew about it. We politely understood that it was against his belief to allow a picture to be taken. On the other hand, my Swedish girl friend and I regularly took our cameras with us to the souk and the women selling spices allowed us freely to take their pictures. I guess what I’m saying is that it all depended on WHOSE picture you wanted to take. Anyways, sorry for rambling, but I just wanted to share my own experience with “il A’ax”
Good Luck again!

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