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Well, it's only turning bad news from Saudi. And unfortunately, it is about woman, again. But this time it's on a larger scale. It is called; "destruction of all family values."
I was not shocked when I heard that Misyar marriage is now officially blessed by the highest rank Mullah's of Saudi. But it really made me feel sick.
I'm waiting for you. Call my dad now. Don't worry, he won't bite, and my mom will cook Kabsa and Jarish for us!
The Mecca-based Islamic Jurisprudence Assembly announced on April 12 that so-called Misyar marriage — from the colloquial Gulf Arabic word for visitor — was permitted, drawing the ire of women in the region.
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The controversial edict says "a marriage contract in which the woman relinquishes (her right to) housing and support money … and accepts that the man visits her in her (family) house whenever he likes, day or night … is valid."Misyar marriage is sought after by men who want to avoid the burden of dowries and alimonies that are usually stipulated in standard Islamic marriage contracts.
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But prominent United Arab Emirates-based cleric Sheikh Ahmed al-Kubaissi says that while Misyar marriage is correct Islamically, it also compromises some values."The only difference (with a normal marriage) is that the woman abandons voluntarily her right to housing and support money. There is nothing wrong in relinquishing one's own rights," the preacher said.
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And, he said, a "respectful" woman would never accept a Misyar marriage, which, "despite being accepted according to Islamic sharia (law), compromises a number of values.""If a king came asking for my daughter's hand in this (Misyar) way, I would spit in his face," he said.
Please bear with me, this marriage does not give the woman any of her rights (which is another Islamic sharia law), no housing, no support money (during the marriage or after divorce or both, God only knows). So the question is, what does s/he gets out of all this?
The guy goes to her family house, sleep with the girl and leaves. And Sheikh Kubaissi says this is okay - by Islamic law - for others to sleep together, but not for his daughter. Does that sound strange? The man is contradicting himself (but that's not the case, he always did). First he bless the marriage, then he say a "respectful" woman would not accept this marriage, and goes far into imagination of spitting on a king face if he (the king) asked him to sleep -according to the same laws- with his daughter!!!
Ok, forget our Mullah Sheikh Kubaissi. FYI, The Mecca-based Islamic Jurisprudence Assembly consist of seventy (70) of the most knowledgeable (supposed to), highest rank, most respected, Mullah's and Sheikh's -call them what you want- in Saudi Arab/Muslim world.
Back to the man and woman in this marriage. What are they benefiting?
First of all, the man has no responsibilities toward the woman. He only enjoys sex without any liability towards the unpaid woman.
The woman and her family seems to enjoy nothing but the woman's sexual instinct seems to be fulfilled (and maybe the woman's father watch free live porn through the door key hole). I hate to believe that that's it for the woman and her family, specially that the man is at least using their furniture (at worst, the bed only). So, if he breaks the bed, who will buy a new one? The pride or the groom? Maybe he pays for going to the bathroom, just maybe!
In this case, let us assume that the man is good enough and he pays a little money for his woman every time he sleeps with her, or at least buys her family a dozen of bananas. That's money, isn't it 
Okay, don't you think that prostitution is better than this marriage? At least she sets the price and get paid for giving what the man was looking for, which is sex. But in Misyar, the woman get laid (being polite and not using the F word) without getting paid. So the formula is "Laid but not Paid."
And in case in this marriage she is paid a little, then that is nothing but prostitution. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but according to all references, prostitution is the sale of sexual services (typically oral sex or sexual intercourse, less often anal sex) for money or other kind of return, generally indiscriminately with many persons. A person selling sexual favors is a prostitute, a type of sex worker. (websters)
Anyway, I once called for prostitution to be regularized in the Arab/Islamic world. I don't remember anyone agreed with me, and everyone saw that I'm a damn… blah blah…
Now, I'm happy to see that my dream is coming true. Yes, it is not called prostitution in this part of the world, we call it Misyar, or Mesyaf (another brand in Saudi, read about it here), or Tourist marriage (like the one in Yemen, but also invented by Saudi visitors, read about it here), etc… but at the end of the day, it is official, and it is religiously approved, so I won't go to hell if I do it, do I?
Some differences will remain in favor of prostitutions, regulated prostitution, as they pay taxes, they get medical check, they have office (called red-light bedroom) managers to take care of the business, and they have directories and protection and maybe retirement salaries. But in the case of our version of regulated prostitution, it still lacks some cosmetics.
But no problem, I'm ready to start an online project for Misyar dating (as if they are not available already, google a bit and you will find what you are looking for). This will solve the directory problem. Taxes are not needed, as this country does not have taxes system in first place (rich enough, they don't need it). What's left? Oh, yah.. Managers! No worries, the family members will take care of this. Putting customers' inline, changing bed sheets, etc…
Best part it is official.. You will go to heaven straight away!
Good luck!
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This shows the remarkable creativity of our Muslim clerics who would find any fatwa to legalize men-oriented fun. The next episode would be a new fatwa to legalize drinking alcohol, and I would never be surprised to read about it in a few years time.
This isn't about family values, this is about awarding the already largely male-dominated society one more way in which they can exploit, and discard, women.
You know whose face I want to spit in? That damn hypocrite Kubaissi.
Prostitution is illegal over here in NA. But If you have money you use call girls, or escort services.
It is the same thing.
Money is controlling the world. We will change the laws to protect you if you have money!
Religion is now being controlled by money because they now control a lot of money.
This is disgusting, I can't believe this is happening. Just another reason for Islam to be attacked, because it is being f***ed around with by dirty creeps who issue fatwas at will! What the hell is this???
Okay I haven't read the post…but I actually saw the photo that is when I couldn't go on!
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Garaf elle yegrefak 3ala heek suwar! lol
it's just like eating halaal "pork"!
This saddens me beyond words. Natalia, I join you in the desire to spit. What father could do this to his daughter, dad-as-pimp? What a perverted sense of honor.
I hope that famous Muslim teacher in the US stands up against this sort of evil.
I dont' want prostitution legalized, but I would like to see guys get married younger.
Haitham,please give credit where credit is due.Though this is a form of prostitution,it does dedicate the woman to only one client a time,when he's done with her and has paid her all her dues,she can look for another new ,and hopefully satisfied customer!How glorious for women!
No comment…
I agree with you Haitham … Prostitution is way better than this misyar shmisyar thingy .. that is beyond disgusting!
Natalia, Kinzi … they are 3 spits now .. count me in!
No comment its just disgusting & girls please count me in with you !!!
What are they trying to do here, they just want to "y7alelo" what they want and "y7armo" what they don’t want!!! Silly.
just waiting for this Sheikh Kubaissi to die, that time he will see the big wonderful surprise for him
This is the old science of turning Haram->Halal and is called "Fiqh Alchemy".
What happens is you take something illegal in Sharia, put a few rules on it (that doesn't change the very nature of the thing that is illegal) and it becomes legal.
-So you can sell alcohol in your shop, if you rent the corner to someone else who will take the deeds for doing that
-You can get a girl friend if you sign a paper with her dad.
-It is OK to accept an unjust ruler as long as he calls himself Muslim.
In all those, the very nature of the things the verdict is issued on did not change a single bit! It is ???????? ???????
I think you are all looking at this from the wrong side of the coin. "Misyar" marriage is not a specific type of Marriage Islam or the ulama "invented" for the pleasure of men. Rather, it is a regular Marriage contract, in which one of the sides agrees to forfeit their rights. As in Man-Made law, Personal rights, which do not harm the other side can usually be forfeited in Islamic law. Which include the man giving the woman the right to divorce herself, and stipulate additions in her marriage contract, such as not leaving her country, etc. In this specific case, the woman choses to forfeit her rights of home, allowance, etc. These things are by default given in the Islamic Marriage contract, which if not given to the women, gives her the right to take her husband to court…It is not Islam or it's muftis' fault that some people are willing to forfeit the rights provided to them by the religion. The religion is here to furnish people with their needs, not to force them upon them, and it is not allowed for the Girl's parents to force her to give up HER rights, which if happen the sin is upon them, and the girl has the right to take them by force. It is important to know that when Muslim Scholars of Jurisprudence (fuqaha') say something is allowed/permissable (ja'iz/mubah) It concerns the worldly (dunyawi) ruling, without it's attachments/intentions, which can change it's ruling from Obligatory (wajib) to haram(reprehensible), while it also presupposes the ruling not being attached to something reprehensible (haram) and the good intention of the person involved. Therefore, if the intention of the people engaging in this contract is one of prostitution,etc. The sin of what they intented is upon them, as the Prophet (pbuh) said: "Verily actions are by intentions" (Innama al-A'malu binniyat). This concept of punishment in the here-after is what keeps justice relative to the believer, since to the non-believer there is not here-after so people often feel that injustice is done upon them. Furthermore, I think it is important to also shed light upon some of the aspects of this marriage which can help many of the major problems of the Muslim World. The first of which is the huge number of un-married women…Who look like they may never marry, because of the culture of marrying younger women predominates…which isn't muslim culture if one reflects on how all of the prophet's (pbuh) wives except Aisha were divorced or widowed, and as so were many of the companions'. So, if a woman has desire, and need for marriage, but no one wants to marry her…For her age,looks, or lack of money they can get the chance. The ideal situation of course would be for the girls family to make sure that the groom is suitable, and not merely someone looking for Fun (mut'aa) which would problably best be found in a person of their tribe, because of tribal pressures, and fear, or a person of high moral condact. So, as you see, just as in a regular marriage the ideal mate should be found, not just anyone, so in both situations (regular) and "misyar" there is a chance of a bad husband, not intending the right thing. The marriage problem of course has another side…The men can't afford to get married…ok ok you could say people don't HAVE to get married…But, the problems that happen when people don't, are that just what you are ascared of DOES happen prostitution spreads…Which helps diseases spread…People are in a general state of depression, since they can't marry until their 40…Some of these problems, don't seem to be problems for some people here, who would prefer to follow the west in everything they do, not seeing or knowing the greatness of Islam. So, in their eyes concensual prostitution, where the girl gets money each time is better than marriage…Free personal relationships are also better than marriage?? Lets take a walk down that road…the west of the 21st centure where 45% of girls have been raped by the age of 20 according to some studies, where depression and divorce are above 50%, drug problems, broken homes, STDs, AIDS, is that really what we want? Or do we only want the "good" out of their type of life, and not the bad? It is quite evident that this "good" is always hand-in-hand with bad…Which I guess is a proof of it not really being good at all…Just bad, in the clothing of good. Finally, I think what I have said is enough in terms of answering for the Sheikh, who stated that this contract is a forfeit of rights, and as for concerning what he said concerning his daughter…He ment that this isn't the ideal situation, in Islamic terms, and a girl should normally not forfeit her rights, though in extra-ordinary situations it is permissible, though he would rather stick to the ideal…socially accepted way with his own daughters. I used to think in the way I have noticed many people here think, but living in the states, and being affected by THEIR Life not ours, I changed alhamdullilah, and now I'm here in Jordan, studying my deen
May Allah Guide us Upon the Straight path, the path of those You have Blessed, not that of those Your anger is upon, nor that of the Misguided. Amin Wa salam. travelling.seeker@yahoo.com
Sad.
am not sure what misyar is excatly but am guessing this is one of the times where the "media" just quotes one paragraph of the whole interview ,or seprate parts and puts them togther changing what he really meant
Sabbag ,what i would like to see is this full interview with this mullah ,from the begging to the end?
Student,
Unfortunately, this is how some sects try to paint it for people and make work around to call an evil act, Islamic.
Why would a woman forfeit her rights here? To get married. Which means that the obstacles in her marriage is her rights. In the case of Misyar, she has to forfeit her right for housing and money support, etc… all around money. Therefore, the simple conclusion is that, either the man can't afford to pay that money, or he is greed enough, and she is in no need but to get married.
Let us take the man first. Correct me if I'm wrong. Prophet said:
"Those who can AFFORD marriage should get married. Those who CAN'T AFFORD IT, SHOULD FAST. That will protect them."
So, what do you see here? Marriage means a man who CAN AFFORD. So, if the man in Misyar case CAN'T AFFORD, he should just shut up and follow prophet teaching. And if he CAN AFFORD IT, he can get married.
Back to the woman. Why would a woman forfeit her rights? A valid marriage is the one where both man and woman are qualified to establish that contract, and each one of them is committed to the rights of the other, and to fulfil his or her duties to one another. So, imagine a marriage which starts by asking the woman to forfeit her rights?!
At the end of the day, where is the woman's rights? Yes, she has the right to forfeit her rights, but that's only when her rights are not a basic condition for a contract validity. In this case, the woman's rights are basic condition for a valid Islamic marriage contract, and taking out these rights means the contract is not valid, no matter how scholars put it.
zaid,
If you mean al Kubiassi interview, the link is included in the post, but anyway, here it is again:
http://news.sawf.org/Lifestyle/11089.aspx
Haitham, thank you so much for your answer to student … I was fuming reading the "justification" of this misyar crap
Kubassi says that no "respectable" woman would accept this situation but I say no respectable man would accept that in the first place .. and there is no amount of reason they can come up with that could or would change this fact ..
This is so degrading .. enough to make me hate all these who twist religion for their own whims and desires … disgusting!!!
Student, this so-called "marriage" only serves to hold up the already unfair, unjust system that's heavily biased against women. It enables abuse, and gives it a pretty name. The fact that you, as a man, would support it, is quite telling. Shame on you.
I've heard about "misyar" marriages, but I wonder if there are any other conditions surrounding it (ie. is the man supposed to be single or can he have other "misyar" or non-misyar wives?). What happens if children are produced from these visits?! There are so many complications with this marriage, legal, physical, and emotional that (besides the fact that I believe it is wrong) it's more trouble than it's worth.
I get the feeling that this whole concept should be classified as adultery…..
What is the SORT of "woman" who would ever accept such a "contract"? What is the sort of "man" who would ever impose such "contracts"? Astagfirullah!
In France they are called mistresses. But the man pays their way.
In Islam they have found a "religious" reason not to pay.
How sad.
Well I read about this a week ago in the newspaper here in UAE, and Frankly I was SHOCKED! I still want to make sure and ask a Sheikh about this but from what it seems like, we're living in a fucked up period of time. I mean is this even possible to approved by Sheikhs??! Marrige, only for 'Sex', NO STRINGS ATTACHED, IN HER PARENTS HOUSE BEDROOM, no financial burdens, no kids, no responsibilty. I'd say SCREW THAT LAW.
Student of Knowledge,
The tag you use is false advertising! You should rather call yourself "Lecturer of Hypocricy".
I am not going to address how you twist and turn your religious mythology to promote your self-righteous nonsense, but I will address your prejudice, ignorance, and intolerance.
You said:
blah blah blah…"…Some of these problems, don’t seem to be problems for some people here, who would prefer to follow the west in everything they do, not seeing or knowing the greatness of Islam. So, in their eyes concensual prostitution, where the girl gets money each time is better than marriage…Free personal relationships are also better than marriage?? Lets take a walk down that road…the west of the 21st centure where 45% of girls have been raped by the age of 20 according to some studies, where depression and divorce are above 50%, drug problems, broken homes, STDs, AIDS, is that really what we want?…"…blah blah blah
This is outrageous! Both your stupidity and that your Muslim brothers and sisters are letting your intolerant nonsense go unchallenged!
Is it intolerant to claim that Muslim men are sadistic pedophile cave men, but justified and tolerant to claim that Western men are rapist drug addicts with AIDS?
To use your methodology, more than 75% of Muslims are self-righteous hypocrites!
If I did the statistics on the posts by everybody with a Muslim/Arab sounding name on a number of Haitham's blog pages, that is statistics I could use to claim, that "according to some studies" at least 60% of ALL Muslims are full of shit!
So, "45% of girls have been raped by the age of 20 according to some studies"? What studies? And sampling the entire so-called Western world or just the female population of a small town with a serial rapist on the loose?
As Mark Twain said: "There are lies, damn lies, and statistics".
By doing the same type of select sampling on a Muslim village in the middle of nowhere I would probably be able to produce the same type of intolerant statistics on Muslims. I would be able to produce 'research' showing that 45% of Muslim girls have had their genitals mutilated before the age of 5, that 45% of Muslim girls have been 'sold' into mariage with middle aged men before the age of 9, or that 45% of Muslim men justify rape of women with the teachings of the Koran!
It is a fact that some Islamic sects practice female genital mutilation, but it is also a fact that those kind of primitive Muslims are in minority. It is a fact that most so-called Western countries completely forbid sexual minors to marry (and legal minors above the age of legal sexual maturity need parental consent), but MANY so-called Muslim countries have no such laws. It is also a fact that in ALL so-called Western countries it is illegal to rape a woman regardless of your religious conviction but that in SOME so-called Muslim countries it is legal to commit 'justified' rape or even murder based on interpretation of religion.
That you propose that the 'West' represents rape, divorce, drug problems etc. just shows how lame and intolerant you are. The 'West' is not the only area of the world where AIDS is a serious problem. Have you forgotten that there are also Muslim countries in Africa plagued by AIDS?
I am seriously tired of mideval types like you, who think that all people in the non-Muslim world are evil while all Muslims are shitting gold! I do not suggest that you take the road to the West, because we have enough self-righteous bigots (of all faiths) as it is, but I do suggest that you choose the road to the 21st century.
The difference between civilized people and primitives like you is that we understand that RIGHTS are something you get when you buy a horse and that OBLIGATIONS are something you take on yourself when you agree to share your future with another human being!
Where did this pic come from? Looks like she's advertising herself pretty much - or is it some random pic? Anyway… seems that the woman and the guy are getting something from this - sexual satisfaction. It's strange that any parent would allow their daughter to go into a marriage such as this and it makes me seriously question them and what type of ppl they are. Men are really bad about exploiting women here in any way they can. This law doesn't surprise me and, truly, it doesn't surprise me that this is happening w/ Saudi girls. I can not tell you how many times I have seen, on the net and thru email, Saudi girls wanting company, going to websites trying to pick ppl up, sending very sexually explicit emails, etc. etc. They aren't shy, that's for sure.
Maybe, when you have a society, that preaches and pushes the men and women not to be around each other, not to touch each other, not to talk to each other, to cover up and not be seen, maybe just maybe it pushes, all those involved, to such high degrees of wanting sexual satisfaction, that they are willing to do this, and the women more than welcome it, and if the guy can get it w/out any strings… then more power to him. I think there are many who believe it's ok to do this.. sadly enough.
It makes me sick but…. there are tons of Arab prostitutes here and in the Gulf. We have one that lives in a flat right across the street from us. Since she doesn't work, how does she get her car paid for, her flat, food, spending money? Someone is paying it - and it's not her family. I know this. But… the guys come and go… and she's not the only one.
Guys ,
I believe we are not in a position to say Halal or Haram . Those two words are "Big" and my drive someone to Hell . So , I'd rather to leave this Fatwah to someone who has a good Fekeh knowledge . There must be a very good reason for such a marage and it is not as simple as people are saying .
One last comment , I believe that we should be focusing on more important subject happening now adays than this kind of subject which will make us lose focus and feel less confidence in our relgion and nation .
Regards
student of knowledge said '…used to think in the way I have noticed many people here think, but living in the states, and being affected by THEIR Life not ours, I changed alhamdullilah, and now I’m here in Jordan, studying my deen…'. wow what a typical story. im not impressed with you. you re just one of thousands of young arab muslim men who take advantage of being in the west, i.e. drink, date as many american women as they can, basically bisakhmoo la yi2olooo bas! and then when theyre tired of life there decide its time for al tawba, oh and not to forget to mention that they need to marry a nice good muslim girl (who most probably doesnt know half of what they did), and start criticizing the west which allowed you to have the freedoms that you enjoyed in the first place when you were 'student of jahiliyyeah' (which i think you stll are).
wallahi al 3azeem people like you need to be shot
To "if you don't practice it don't preach it"… I found, as an American girl and having lived there most of my life (until now - married to a Bahraini guy - can you imagine - the shame of it hehe), that many, and I say many, American girls will not have anything to do w/ Arab guys. So, I think you are bit mistaken in your beliefs that they go there and "date as many american women as they can"… you are a little mistaken in your thoughts here. Maybe the British date them, but most American girls don't.
Do they want American girls, oh yeah they do (I think that's why you girls get sooo upset)… but it doesn't happen as often as you'd like to believe. But I will say this, I did see many a 'Persian' boy dating strippers, and I heard a lot of Arab guys talking about stuff… and it was just that - TALK. I think most of it is to impress the others… just like the lil American boys do… brag about conquests when there aren't any.
So.. my dear, until you know most of what really happens, try not to judge so quickly.
Just one comment.
Stastics are like bikinis.
What they reveal is suggestive. What they hide is vital.
I have had enough of statistics.
I have had enough of polls.
Stop the bull and talk.
Er… tooners? I'm a Ukrainian-American girl, dating an Arab guy. Of course, he's no "Student of Knowledge" (thank God), but he is, in fact, Arab. We know a kid from Beirut on the same campus as us, dating an Asian-American. A friend of mine from Saudi is dating an American.
Who are these mysterious American girls who won't have anything to do with Arab guys? Perhaps it's the ultra-religious Arab guys who turn us off? I think you should qualify your statements, otherwise they seem a bit too generalizing.
I saw it a lot of this happening in the States. When I started dating my husband many of my friends didn't understand it and still don't. I lost friends, I think, because of it, but whose to say. I also saw a lot of my husband's friends trying to pick up American girls and they were *never* successful. Many wanted me to set them up w/ my girlfriends but the girls would have nothing to do w/ it. Maybe it's just the city or state… it's obviously different outside the country, but everything is that way. We'd go out to clubs w/ his friends and they could never get a dance… maybe once in a blue moon. There were several of his friends dating strippers tho, and friends of theirs, or so they said.
I see more ppl here, Americans w/ Arabs, but that's a given. Up until I started seeing my husband, I had never seen it. But hey, maybe I was sheltered, but I doubt it.
I think it all depends on the guy, honestly. If he sticks out like a sore thumb, paritcularly with a Student of Knowledge-esque mentality, no girl worth her salt would date him.
I couldn't agree more. Most intelligent girls can see that crap coming from a mile away and will have nothing to do w/ it.
how about adultry as an alternative ?
that's real marriage without out the live-in arrangment.
what prostitution has to do with this type of marriage?
the photo and title explains the motives of this post
Here we go again. I have some questions.
1. When I married my Moslem husband (1975, since amicably divorced) we were in Beirut. As I understand it, the Ka'atbiktab (sorry for the spelling) and as I personally experienced it, there is a legal document of marriage which is signed by the brides father or representative giving her in marriage. Does this type of marriage require a Ka'atbiktab? If so, then the father or representative MUST be a part of it. I simply cannot imagine that occuring. This in itself would outrule the likelihood of this going on much. (Or at least I would hope so)
2. I lived in Saudi Arabia, my ex was Saudi. I am fully aware of the Wahabi sect although my own family there was very Western.
In the case of polygamy, my ex always told me it was practiced, but frowned upon by the educated. He had no close friends with more than one wife although his father had two, one grandfather had 14, the other grandfather 9 wives (of course not at the same time for any non-Moslem reading here, Islam only allows for four at a time). My ex told me that the prophet pbuh said that a man can only take four wives if he treats them equally as "the teeth of a comb". Thus, Islam "allowed" for four wives but did not encourage it. There was actually a gentleman in Al-Khobar who did have four wives. He built a compound with five houses, one for himself and one for each wife. He had four motor-homes and four Cadillac limos parked out front. Everyone laughed, including my ex. But it was said, at LEAST he's treating them all equally (materially at least). Where does this crazy temporarary marriage fit into this teaching of Islam? If you have one temporary marriage, are all your marriages supposed to be temporary?
3. Saudi Arabia is the home to Islam. If a Saudi mullah interprets the Koran in this fashion, does it only apply to Saudi Arabia or does it apply to all Moslems? Can mullahs from other countries speak against it and prohibit it for the Moslems in their countries? I thought the Koran and Sharia were set in stone and not open this much to "interpretation" and change.
As for male Arab students and their escapades here in the States.
Coming to the US as a young 18-year old college student can be intimidating for a foreigner from any country. For the most part,
the Arabs coming here stick together, especially in the under-graduate years. If they have not been exposed to travelling abroad much I can only imagine the culture shock. But let me make this very clear for the way I see it, each of these students is an individual and I do NOT like making generalizations. From my own experience, some came and acted irresponsibly (by any standard, western or middle-eastern) and others did not. Many of my ex's friends had American girl-friends who they ended up marrying. If someone "sticks out like a sore thumb" it is simply because they are either 1)foreign or 2)trying to hard to "fit in" or 3) staying steadfast to their own values which do not agree with "western values" (a generalization I detest because there are so many "western values" and only the hedonistic ones seem to be mentioned so much). I faced much bigotry from simple acquaintances who thought I was marrying an "oil shiek" or a "camel jockey". I did not listen. To this day if I mention my marriage to someone there are always questions (prefaced with pre-concieved notions). I am thanking God that the American media has not gotten a hold of this topic. It only plays into the hands of those who have such misunderstanding of Arab culture. I cannot imagine in my wildest dreams any Moslem I have ever known on a personal basis endorsing this crazy idea. Instead of Islam being energized, this takes it off a cliff into mockery. The Mormans used to have polygamy, now it is illegal (yes I'm aware there are some fruitcakes still practicing, it's all over the news). I say, that until a mullah sits down and rereads, the "teeth of a comb" analogy, realizes that women are NOT "teeth of a comb" and human nature can NEVER allow for any one person to love multiple people equally, then there is no hope. I offer my own value judgement here, PERSONALLY I think the solution is to reinterpret the Koran (it seems so easy to do when ever any mullah gets some hair-brained idea) and outlaw polygamy. I then dwaw from another great religion's philosophy, of the "Ying and the Yang). ONE Ying, ONE Yang. (I really do NOT want to offend any of my Moslem friends, your's is a beautiful faith. But some of these mullahs have GOT TO GO!!!!)
Here are some links to Moslem arguements against polygamy:
http://www.submission.org/suras/app30.html
http://www.answering-christianity.com/polygamy.htm
http://www.pucl.org/Topics/Gender/2002/polygamy-islam.htm
The last link is interesting in that the author says that the intent of Mohammed PBUH was to abolish polygamy slowly. If this is true, it's now 1200 years later!!! I'm just thinking from my readings of the links that this author has a very good point. Please understand, I'm not trying to offend. The topic here is "temporary marriage". This could not even be a topic 1n 2006 if what this author states is true.
Prophet mohammed should have created a womens account which will look after destitute women.
Destitute muslim women are the worst sufferers..with no help from any quarter.
Its time for a change in thinking
lo.
There is nothing wrong with Misyar. You misunderstand it. It is an agrement between two fully grown people,and it is a complete legal marriage. The woman maybe have her own way of supporting herself and does not need any help from her husband.And she can raise a family by her own with equal rights with the man. So if people want to enjoy themselves and live apart so be it. It is like that in Europe and civilized world.
I have been doing some reading on the subject of "misyar" marriage after reading your post. I ended up with some unexpected conclusions which can be summarized as follows :
The marriage contract "misyar" fits within the framework of the general regime of marriage in Muslim law, and does not represent an independent legal regime. Its agreement with the requirements of the sharia is not questioned by anyone. Muslim law confers to the parties to a marriage contract the right to set up certain particular stipulations relative to their reciprocal rights and obligations, within the framework of the marriage contract. The parties agree, within the framework of the marriage "misyar", that the woman will give up some of the rights the law confers to her as a wife.
But, from a legal point of view, this renunciation constitutes only a moral commitment, which does not bind her on the legal level. She has the right to reconsider this renunciation at any time. The husband is then obliged to give her satisfaction (or to repudiate her, a thing he has the right to do in any case, at any time).
All the usual effects of the Muslim marriage law apply, in addition, within the framework of the marriage "misyar", particularly with regard to the children who could be born from this union (such as the recognition of paternity, the effects of filiation, the financial responsibility of the father for his children, or the lawful rights of the wife and children to their share of inheritance, etc.).
I have therefore written a very detailed article on the subject, entitled "Misyar marriage" which one can find here :
http://mariagemessyar.blogspot.com/
I think the findings in my article run counter to popular beliefs about several aspects of "misyar marriage". It is worth bringing these facts to the attention of the maximum number of people, so that they understand better what misyar marriage really means, in terms of legal commitments towards the wife and in terms of the very negative implications for society in general.
Thanks for publishing this post in your blog.
I think you are having problem with understanding, it is the women who has the right to forfeit her rights, not the man,
Usually the women who get married this way is either old, or have a lot of children, or having some other problem, so instead of fulfilling her natural needs out of marriage contract, she get married Misyar marriage,
So it is natural good way,
Or maybe you think she should have a boyfriend?
Can you call having a boyfriend is prostitution, I dont think you have the guts to do so,
I think this is perfectly ok. why not? this means a more legal way for sexual contact. I wouldn't mind it neither would my wife. more sex the better and this makes families happier.
If we look at 'sex' from pleasure point of view, then this or any other form -legal or illegal- is ok. But we are talking about building healthy families and family values.
This type of marriage adds nothing but more trouble to this type of society.
This is Prostition PURe and Simple , it is disgusting and the so called clerics are saying it is ok , what next ? Alcohol and Pork ?
robin
I agree a 100% some mullahs have to go and others have to be locked up in mental Institutions NOW (egyptian clerics , you do not want to know what fatwas they issued you ll shocked ) and disgusted .
LET THE GOOD TIMES START!!!!
What's wrong with yummy pork ribs and a beer?? It time the Middleast modernized otherwise just fence yourselves up. Enjoy your isolation. Cheers.
u know, these saudi-wahabis imams or WTF u call them, make me so sick—-anybody who has a god-gifted brain knows that this is legalized prostitution—well, y go through all formalities, expense, and time-consuming efforts?? y not secularize this truely weird country like dubai, kuwait, bahrain or egypt??? if a boy and girl just wana talk, they r arrested and beaten like hell by those Vice and Virtue police, yet most saudi head towards shariah-free zones like dubai and bahrain for women and wine—i really hope that most if not all saudi women stand up against this insulting practise becuz it reduces them 2 chattels—-if they dont, their right will keep eroding and they will be mistreated and continue 2 live lives like animals–i dont think any woman who has even an ounce of dignity and self-respect will accept this f–king misyaar marraige
Woohoo! they found a way to get what they want and still get away with it. And have a clear conscience (we're married so there's nothing wrong with it, right?) .. or atleast try to.
It's funny how they try to find different excuses to make it "legal" and "halal". It's really convinient for the guy, he doesnt have to pay anything, and if/when he gets tired of his so called "wife", he divorces her and doesnt loose anything. No wonder men are searching for 'misyar wives'.
Two teenagers were jailed for a month for exchanging pics. That was a huge deal, it was "against God's will", shame to the muslims blah blah.
But getting married with no string attached and literally just for SEX, is suddenly fine? Wow… =|
Ok.. so i read about 'summer holiday marrieges'. You get married, travel, have fun, get back and its over. It's really the same thing as what goes on in lets say america.. a guy or a woman who has money gets a "companion" and goes to dinners, enjoys his/her time when they're bored.. and in return they give gifts like cars, watches, money.. anything. But they dont deny it, they say it straight.. i like to have someone by my side, to have fun with, travel and all but im not interested in anything serious, like marriege. That wouldnt be okay for muslims, now would it? But 'summer holiday marrieges' are fine because you get married? In this case they come up with millions of silly excuses. Just because you're married on paper doesnt mean anything.
Hecate,
All this has nothing to do with Islam. Just some hypocritical-stupid people trying to find a "legal" way for "joy".
it is strange that most of you say, what parents would allow their daughter to enter such revolting filth,women are not dupe, we will never enter such vile satanic evil. i am a muslim, because i believ in Allah, admire the creation, its beauty, lofty characteristics in beautiful humans who reflect the "beautiful names of Allah" not idiots who twist and split hairs to arrive at their evil satanic designs: those are mentioned and admonished in the Qur'an.
if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck it is a duck, no matter if it calls itself a sick mufti, a ignorantr alim or a marriage of sort when its is clearly prostitution and evil haram. In islam we have no clergy for a reason: each and everyone has to excercise their mind, think and be responsible adult…indeed we each will answer for our own decisions in the day of judgment what sheikh morron thought is no defence, you will just join him in hell and have a fatwa whilst roasting together. So good luck to you all.
grow up, be responsible adult mature muslims because in the hereafter you ALONE have to answer for your actions.
There are some excellent muslim men out there but as the qur'an said al tayibun lil tayibat and mushrikun lil mushrikat, so these evil slappers are finding their type the evil swines.
We are lucky mu'minat and Allah has blessed us with mu'minin men, kind, intelligent, pious, thoughtful, generous… al hamdulliallah.
for those who can't find nice partners than follow the prophet's advice and FAST , dedicate your enegies to serve Allah and Islam until HE changes things, Allah is all powerful, all wise.
wal salam wal rahmat, don't fall for satan's tricks (like these idiotic ignorami kubaissi and qaradawi etc…) and hate sharia or beautiful Islam.
Ann Marguerite.
Disgusting!!!!
this is the worst thing that can ever happen….
these people are killing the spirit of marriage… the love and the security of a marriage… this is so disgusting!!!!
as a muslim of punjabi american origin—im really disgusted by these saudi-wahabi clerics—while not all but most r really imbeciles and r giving all muslims, not just saudis a very bad reputation—i believe that for muslims to come out of this filth they need to secularize—and remember, contrary to mullah propaganda—secularization is absolutely not a rejection of Islam or its basic values—u can b both a Muslim and Secularist at da same time— i say use ur god-gifted brains which Allah has provided u and dont come in da sway of these fucking clerics who manipulate and abuse da good name of islam for their own agendas or maybe becuz some prince has give them money—-non-muslims and westerners r rite to some extent when they say that we muslims r hypocrites—-how can we condemn prositution and sex slavery when it exists in muslim countries as well as non-muslim and on top of that when many fucking mullahs condone it instead of condeming it—of course da fault is not with islam, christianity or any other religion, the fault lies with ppl who happen to b muslims, christians, or ppl of other faith but da problem is when a religious figure justifies some atrocity or ridiculous thing in da name of religion—these clerics r so imbeciles that they r leading us muslims down a very dark and dangerous path and if we muslim youth wana save ourselves, families and communities as well as our religion Islam, then we have to actively confront and reject these bearded bastards.
arabs are bullshit!!!!!!!!!!!
give some more about misyar marriage
Notice how the Anti-Muslim turds are using this to bash Islam. Too bad idiots rarely study history. Saudi Arabia is a secular state masquerading as an Islamic one. these Wahabi "clerics" are all appointed by the House of Saud, which was was installed and nurtered by the Brits and Americans.
Am one of the ladies using this option, it have advantage and inconvient, advantage like: i feel confortable and respected and he is not treating me like a bitch in the bed just making love that he couldnt find with the mother of his children, but me i said since the bigining ok for mysyar in one condition that you will be the one to pay the rent of my small house, but he is giving nothing more than this, he is coming once a week and this enought for me, i have my job and my normal life i can visit my freind i can go internet and be late i dont feel am in a prison, but i respect him of course to say the truth i love him like a boy freind, the only thing is his non availability when i need me to be with him all is according to his schedule, and that i cant make children as per the agreement, but i aready have one hamdollah
It will be useful,if these saudi mullahs give fatwa for charge of one day travel with their young 22 yrs girl. It will be more informative, if they give fatwa about list of the payment ( even mode of payment)for travel marriage according to their girls age, beauty, number of days of travel etc…it will be really useful to those who are entering into prostitution sorry..sorry…into travel marriage. You saudi ugly dogs are smartly playing around quaran and releasing new fatwas every day and stumbling,scuming, dirting islam every way, u all say, u r the follower of true sunnah….wat a pitty….You ugly sex fanatic saudi dogs already painted islam as sexual religion throughout the world by sending ur sex fanatic boys to U.S.A in the name of studying in colleges, that ur ugly kids dissolving petro dollars in doing all sexual games at night clubs of US with that white skined whores and import all sex diseases and ugly cultures into ur state and thus u all got knowledge to give new fatwa every day.Saudi sex fanatics, u are misusing women for mere sex…now again and again you all doing the same with different masking of fatwa. May Allah curse you all those who are giving wrong fatwa and misinterpreting quaran & sunnah. These saudi mullahs are corrupting quaran as how jews did with their torah , and how christians did with their bible….. Allah warns such corrupters as ………….."Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say: "This is from God," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby. (The Noble Quran, 2:79)"
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