One pig down:
Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the al-Qaida-linked militant who led a bloody campaign of suicide bombings, kidnappings and hostage beheadings in Iraq, has been killed in a U.S. air raid north of Baghdad, Iraq's prime minister said Thursday. AP
What does this mean? In my opinion, it means NOTHING!
Yes, his killing is worth mentioning, but how many Zarqawi is still alive? Now we are celebrating his death (hopefully his family in Jordan won't mourn him), but Iraq is still occupied.
The most interesting part of the story is the news that this was a joint US-Jordanian operation. No more details leaked yet. However, it is clear that his last video was his biggest mistake that lead to his hide.
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Yeah, I found many sources talking about it, check it out: http://blog.sweetestmemories.com/default.asp?Display=64
The news says that zarqawi’s death is being confirmed by finger print match and face recognition. I was wondering if the United States and its allies have finger prints of all the iraq’s to claim this?
Well, Zarqawi and numerous others have come to the rescue of Iraqi people. fighting for the rights of the iraqi people. Tommorrow if America invades iran, saudi arabia, jordan, yemen, tunisia, egypt and other countries. Wouldnt you stand up for your brothers.
They are certainly martyrs fighting for the truth. No matter america has weapons and military might. The truth is it is a terrorist state, illegal invading nations. For them, it is mere dead meat.
Bush once said “if we don’t do it, somebody else will do it on us” so we better erase every islamist on this planet earth. The campaign to demonise islam is being carried out in the same way as been done against nazi.
If you are submitting to this world order. Then i am not suprised as i had read in this blog written by some bloggers that we would end up in reservations, and our nations are going to end up like african nations.
Yeh Haitham I think you are very right , ok Alzarqawi was killed so what?! I think we solved nothing!
WOW! The US got their man.
High fives to Herr Bush!!!
It only took how long?
How many innocent Iraqi citizens were killed along the way?
How many US troops did it take to undertake the invitation only let’s kill the terrorists over there, uh-oh, you weren’t on the list and you’re ungrateful for our help so we’ll mow you down if YOU get in our way (or just happen to be in Haditha)
How many terrorists, I mean insurgents, I mean really pissed off people did the hunt create?
The family is Jordan is NOT celebrating the right way, they instead elevated him to martyrdom/sainthood. Jordan watch out for helping the great Satan out.
Can the posse be disbanded now?
Sorry the Iraqi posse isn’t trained yet and we need to stay because all these people are messing with our plans and besides that Halliburton and Blackguard families still need the paychecks.
Shouldn’t we be celebrating getting our man?
The celebration has to be low key this time. Remember what happened when someone stood on an aircraft carrier and shouted “Mission accomplished” too early.
But those ungrateful Iraqi citizens are killing each other and making us look bad.
Yes, Iraq seems to have chosen civil war over behaving at the tea party. Maybe just divide the country up and let them work it out.
Can we leave after we figure out what to do for Iraq?
No son, we can’t cut and run like cowards
Is there an end in sight?
No, it’s the price of fighting terrorism the neocon way.
And we need to make sure we have someone to fight while we take care of the world and spread democracy. (make good money for all our friends, ssh, we can’t let anyone know our dirty little secret. We’ll just get our base all worked up over the Defense of Marriage Act so they show up at the polls)
For every Zarqawi there are hundreds if not thousands of followers.
I don’t believe in killing people, but even I have to say, good riddance.
You might be interested to know that the father of one of Zarqawi’s victims is on American TV talking about how violence begets violence. Something powerful and beautiful has come out of this mess after all.
I think this could be the beginning of the end of the invasion of Iraq by Al Qaeda.
Hopefully it will lead to a gradual reduction in violence so that the US and other forces can go home.
“One down ,,, how many to go?
Killing al’Zarqawi does not put an end to the violence. The death toll is still rising, and it surely will not stop growing very soon. They put Sadaam down first “the king of the deck of their most-wanted cards” and what happened? Now, America is celebrating once more too early. One more murder doesn’t stop the bloodshed but it jus adds more to the pool of blood.
One thing at a time. Today iraq, tommorrow sudan. So we have a plan to control middle east. We have the control on kuwaiti oil reserves already. Imagine a scenario where we can take control of saudi oil reserves and iranian oil reserves. We can atleast stop them or delay the time for them to make a nuclear weapon so that we can buy in more time. Jordanian territory is already an ally of us. We can take one by one. Alas, we failed in somalia. But we will come back. Our American government shall do what ever it takes to eliminate all islamist. Our leader blair mentioned ” we shall do what ever it takes, for a world with out islam and muslim”.
As long as we have people like Zarqawi and Osama bin Laden. We have the pretext to wage pre-emptive war. ofcourse, they are our created identity. We throw a bait for a big fish. So, we have got the fools in the net. Time to show them who is on the top of the food chain. We britshers and americans, europe should also listen to us. We(U.S) are funnelling money into lebanon and syria to destablise the region, and take down the regime. Afterwards, your fate is like saddam and zarqawi. Osama’s future is the same. What will you people do when osama and zarqawi are down. United Nations is our organization and we shall have steer it based on our needs or pull it down.
Yes we got him, ok now what? You should see all the stink about this in the US media. Still the same boat we were in yesterday.
I am in a 2 year limbo with nothing to do until then Bush gets the boot, thanks to George “WASHINGTON” and others that had the for sight to have term limits.
If we “USA” pull out, the place goes to shit, the place is shit now and will be for some time, how may days until we get a new leader in the US? We all know we should of not gone in there in the 1st place, so now what do I do? By the way we are not rounding up the Muslims here,,,, yet…
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How can anyone celebrate the death of a person!
Sorry, but I find it sad that anyone dies, no matter how bad he was!
Please don’t celebrate. A person died!
As bad as he was doesn’t deserve celebration!
The US government lies and does whatever it wants at Iraqi’s expense.
How many people die because the US is in Iraq.
Do we celebrate? NO!
Don’t celebrate this death.
No death deserves celebration!
Kimmy,
I’m not celebrating a darn thing. It’s just one more death, albeit a very bad man. If you notice the adminstration is being purposfully low key. Too many people might say, ok, can we go home now? and that certainly is not in the plans.
Does anyone ever wonder how just when the shrub’s polls are really in the dump and he is facing some pretty bad stuff (Haditha and the failure of the war in general) that he is able to pull a rabbit out of the hat? The circumstances (polls) were bad when we pulled the Saddam rabbit (literally) out of the hole too RIGHT before the last presidential election. Just wondering, I’m sure it was only a coincidence. And is it just me, or does anyone wonder how we dropped TWO FIVE HUNDRED POUND bombs on Zarqawi’s safe house but we see pictures of him all cleaned up and in one piece. I don’t know just seems kind of odd, not impossible, but very odd.
Nice try, Patriot. Not only is your ruse obvious, but your “logic” is so flawed that there is not enough bandwidth on this server to handle an explanation of it all.
Kimmy,
I generally do not celebrate a death, but when evil hits a certain level, yes…a celebration is in order. Hooray! Hitler is dead. Hooray! Nero is dead. Hooray! Ted Bundy is dead. Hooray! Stalin is dead. Hooray! Zarqawi is dead. I’m sorry if that sounds crass, but it’s how I feel.
If you want a face to put with the deaths of innocent Iraqis, look back at the photo in the post. Unfortunately, there are many more like him.
A man died. Couldn’t they capture him?
If they did, maybe Bush’s lies might be exposed.
Why am I wasting my time talking about Bush because he does whatever he wants and the hell with the law.
I am so pissed off. I can spit fire and I am not even an American!
Guys like Zarqawi don’t typically come out with their hands up. It’s unusual to be able to do a straight capture. The US murdered Iraqis? There are cases where it is apparently the case. But Zarqawi…he made a career of it.
Wonderful news for those who love freedom and for those who truly stand in opposition to terrorism.
* The Talibahn is out of power.
* Saddam is on trial.
* Zarqawi is dead.
* Ussama is left scrambling to regain a share of influence even in his own camp.
Things are going well for the United States, the Free World and those who want to be a part of it.
Those opposed to Bush have offered partisan rhetoric and/or have targeted innocents while history is recording his continued successes.
And, if I may be permitted an opinion, that is the bit that irks many the most.
Results keep getting in the way of anti-Bush ranting.
It’s a fascinating dynamic to behold.
Make no mistake, the death of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi is not an insignificant event and it could very well amount to a great deal more than many seem willing to admit.
Worth mentioning? Yes, I’d say so.
The successes of a rival can be so inconvenient…
Hello Again
This is good new one more fanatic is down.
As I had said in the past, I never agreed with the war in Iraq but, lets put some things into prespective here… the war is on Iraq is amess and one of the people who was responsible for most of the Iraqi sevilian deaths was Zarqawi. I say good ridens.
And by the way Karim, Al-Zarqawi did not want to save the Iraqis from the Americans he wanted to spread his own twisted form of Islam and in the process he killed more Muslim Iraqis than he did Americans. let not keep defending these fanatics just because they clain to be Muslims.
Thank you
Ali,
“…if I may be permitted an opinion, that…”
Nice of you to provide a clear indication of where your recital of Neocon propaganda ends and your own wording of neocon partisanship begins ;)
I want to be part of a world where people are free, but I do not want to be part of your and your government’s concept of a Free World!
Taliban out of business
Saddam out of business
Zarqawi out of business
Osama out of business
Four down, four more to go!
The day when the Bush, Cheney, Rice, and Blair have to answer for their crimes then we can all sleep better at night!
“The successes of a rival can be so inconvenient…”
You cannot consider me a rival, because I have absolutely no ambitions about destroying other nations or ruling a world wide empire!
Did anyone just hear the news? The US military is saying live on tv withing the last ten minutes that he was alive when they went into the house and that he was conscious but died shortly thereafter. Sorry, but there’s nothing to post, it’s too recent.
Thomas, that was a good one!! And who the heck says the Taliban is out of business, they are alive and well and conducting business outside Kabul. Osama out of business?
Says who? He’s also alive and able to send messages. He never did anything himself, he just orders it done, the Charlie Manson of terrorism. That little adventure in Afghanistan has floundered since we made a turn into Iraq which had nothing to do with Osama. Once we secured the path for the oil line it really wasn’t all that important any more. Oh well, that’s a whole different subject.
Am I glad they got this sucker Zarqawi? Sure I am. He had three death sentences on him in Jordan. But who are we fooling here, he would have never been acting up in Iraq had we not invited him to the terrorist tea party. Speaking of which, here is a picture of the bombed out safehouse after we got him. Why am I offering it, it shows an Iraqi carrying TEAPOTS out of the rubble. I just found it ironic. http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/pictures/BAG08.htm
We still haven’t gotten any news over here about Jordan’s involvement in the capture. Has anyone heard anything?
Thomas, well said. But you missed the root of all, the QUEEN. If the queen, blair and bush are eliminated, ofcourse, we have eliminated leadership. What about your system. It relies heavily on destabilising nations for your own benefit.
The african continent is rich of resources, but your system and your Leaders have made it a miserable place. People are just deliberately killed for being black and born black. What would you say for this.
Africans hate this non-human philosophy of west. Where it starts with skin colour and ends with skin colour. The concept of nations didnt ever exist a century before. It has been enforced by these Imperialistic nations to claim spaces and territories. I have read on this blog somebody having mentioned about a book on claiming territories and spaces.
Zarqawi had actually fought for the iraqi. havent you people analysed the earlier web casts or videos of his. When he mentioned that he is going to the battle field rather than making policies and the command and control is handed over to iraqi. Please do some research before you start analysing the news what has been presented by the propoganda tools.
It would shape up deadly now, for U.S wouldnt have any excuse to claim that they are fighting insurgency so they are there. Now the iraqi commander of their operations has a valid justification to get the heads of every american who has invaded their country.
In short, it is significantly insignificant, there are more freedom fighters coming to replace them.
Robin,
I am assuming that Osama is dead. He has not been seen alive for a long time and looking at the different pictures of him over a relatively short period of time -when he was very active- his health was deteriorating fast. I don’t think a cluster bomb (or another US weapon of mass destruction) fell on his head, but that nature took its course.
You are right, the Taliban is still alive, but if you consider that they have been reduced from a “clear and present, imminent terrorist threat to the national security of the USA with ability to launch curses and fatimas within 45 minutes” to an “insurgent terrorist nuisance” then they are out of business.
To all Fatimas on this site,
I couldn’t help intentionally mis-spelling fatwahs. I apologize. It’s Friday! :)
Thomas,
Read this http://www.adnki.com/index_2Level_English.php?cat=Security&loid=8.0.304049580&par=0 Seems the Taliban is regaining ground with lots of support. Notice that the article is about a Pakistani group that is 150 years old which was formed to fight British oppression. These guys have been around a LONG time and are not about to give up any time soon. We could stay there for 150 years ourselves and not stamp them out. Reduced?
Maybe, but this war on “terrrorism” is never going to end especially the way my stupid government is handling it. Here’s another ariticle about a public execution by the Taliban just a few weeks ago http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2006/06/753390C5-F0A9-4B9B-BC97-AF87CFD4BF97.html and here is another talking about the Taliban coming back full force there http://www.newsday.com/news/printedition/opinion/ny-vpafg234753146may23,0,7134365.story?coll=ny-opinion-print
As for our most famous fabulous foe, Osama himself, here’s a really interesting perspective written to point out the Osama is very pleased with himself right now and that his soul purpose is to inspire, keep the jihad going, and that recent tapes from him are proof http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/HF09Ak02.html
These guys are NOT gone and never will be, so we are in a constant state of war. Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. God grant us your peace
(I’m not starting an arguement, just disagreeing)
Thomas a Dane,
Bush, Blair et al will indeed be judged by history for their actions in Afghanistan and Iraq.
I suggest to you that when all is said and done, once the heated and often silly rhetoric against the West (led by Bush and Blair) has faded into distant memory, they will be lauded and will certainly be placed on the correct side of history.
Those who frothed at the mouth in protest (and amazingly, continue to do so) will be discarded into the dustbin of history along with Saddam, Ussama, Zarqawi etc.
So, sure, there will always be those who don’t appreciate solutions, those who subscribe to pessimistic, elitist or envious philosophies, those who would rather have a bad situation than to have that situation resolved by someone they don’t like.
These are facts of life and, fortunately, they do not get in the way of progress.
And it is fortunate for the naysayers that they will not be kept form enjoying the fruits of their rival’s labour.
20 years from now, I predict that many who are today wringing their hands and spitting fire will be calmly enjoying a democratised and thriving Iraq and Afghanistan (among others) and will laugh at the folly of their present perspective.
One never knows, I suppose…but that would certainly be my expectation.
Ali,
You are absolutely correct. The history textbooks of the US and UK will undoubtedly portray this era, as it has every other, as a great triumph for democracy, just as the Armenian genocide has been erased from Turkish history.
With any luck, it won’t be only available version of the events of the last five years and counting.
raymond,
I think you have misunderstood my point (though I’ve tried to keep it rather easy to understand).
You see, those history texts of which I’ve written will be produced in, among other places, the Middle East by scholars who will have the perspective and intellectual hosesty to accurately depict their current state of affairs and compare it to the circumstances in that region in the 1990′s.
You see, these will not be the easily dismissed “textbooks of the US and UK” but rather, the informed and honest accounts from within Iraq and Afghanistan.
And yes, I do predict (to use your words) “a great triumph for democracy”. Perhaps you don’t hope for that outcome?
The Armenian genocide (and yes- I believe that is what happened there) is indeed an interesting aside, but not quite on-topic here.
All the best.
one less psychopath.
There is an interesting twist in the news. The americans are now playing a card that to break the network and trust among the zarqawi network that the information came from within the network. If they have got the information from with in the network. Then they should have by now bombarded all the places simultaneously. Insurgency would have been ended by yesterday and we would have another show down of BUSH on a ship stating victory. Why was there a bombing in baghdad this morning. This demonstrates how controlled is the american media
Is Zarqawi really dead ???. The 400 pounds bom that normally blows a neighborhood of approximately 600 meters radius ,but they found zargawi’s body intact , clean as if he just been groomed in beauty saloon ? All right, let us just assume Zarqawi is dead.
Zargawi’s death is good for Iraq because he killed Iraqi’s more than he killed American troops. But the next thing I hope is the death of neck tied terrorist in Washington DC, that is Bush, Rusmfeld and their gangs. Because these terrorist have killed Iraqis and Afghanis more than what Zarqawi did.
Topo, you are right
Bush is using his religion to kill people in the name of God. “his god”
Here’s an article from the Wall Street Journal about how Jordan helped capture this pig http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB114990397641376914-U1ADBJN11eD55trR0J0ybiyrg2U_20060710.html?mod=tff_main_tff_top
It’s titled, “Jordan Emerges as Key US Ally” Hmmm….Is that supposed to be a good thing? Jordan had their own reasons for catching this pig for the bombings there. How much of an ally do they want to be considering the bigger picture. Interesting indeed.
Hey Kimmy, you need to work on your consistancy. Earlier you said how terrible it was when any person dies. In post 36 you agree with the fanatic in post 35 that Bush and company should have their heads cut off. You opinions are way to predictable:America is always bad, and those against her can not really be all that bad. Oh yeah, and when something good is reported, it is of course a Bush lie.
Please think about this. The freedoms you enjoy, such as posting on this blog, have in every instance been bought with violence. Human history is a history of oppression and killing. Only recently(last couple of hundred years) has that begun to change. EVERY increase in freedom was brought about by violence, often terrible violence. If you think it can be brought about any other way, I fear that you and I will just have to disagree. You obviously feel that peace and freedom can be achieved in the middle east without violence. I am truly interested in how you feel this can happen.
Topo,
The bombs that were dropped on Zarqawi’s li’l bachelor pad will typically destroy a small house or building, and little or nothing under or around it, beyond some very basic damage. If he used any sort of underground bunker or even a simple basement, then he was protected, though poorly (obviously). If the hit was not direct, then even without any underground shelter, then the assumed obliteration would not happen. How do I know this? My dad is a munitions expert.
Wylie,
I’m not worthy! I’m not worthy! Oh, and I might add, as usual, you are right on target.
Wylie,
“EVERY increase in freedom was brought about by violence, often terrible violence. If you think it can be brought about any other way, I fear that you and I will just have to disagree.”
I do not only disagree, but I can repudiate your statement with FACTS.
It is a fact, that when many other countries in Europe had the heads of their royalty rolling, Denmark peacefully transitioned from a monarchy to a constitutional monarchy (1849)!
It is a fact, that when masses of Portoguise went on the streets on April 25, 1974 their one-day revolution ended 50 years of opression in Portugal. This was made possible as most of the army and police decided to stay in their barracks instead of shooting protestors.
It is a fact, that in the summer of 1989, Hungarian border guards decided to disobey orders and did not shoot at the about 25,000 East-German tourists who walked across the Hungarian border into Austria. Later that year, hundreds of East-Germans climbed the fence of the West-German Embassy in Prague and asked for protection and free passage to West-Germany – which they were given. On November 9, 1989, 70,000 East-Germans marched to the Berlin Wall, and when the armed forces refused to shoot at the protesters the fall of the Berlin Wall was reality. These are the three most important peaceful events that allowed a domino effect of freedom to replace dictatorship with free elections in 1990 across most of Central Europe!
It is a fact, that the “Velvet Revolution” in Czechoslovakia (December 1989) happened witout shots being fired at protesters.
It is a fact, that in November, 2003 the “Revolution of Roses” brought peaceful democratic change in Georgia, as Eduard Shevardnadze was removed from power during a peaceful coup.
It is a fact, that in the end of 2004, the “Orange Revolution” forced the Communists to recognize Viktor Yuschenko as the democratically elected leader of Ukraine. Again, without shots being fired on large masses of protestors (the opposition tried to poison Yuschenko, but he survived).
Of course there are examples like the South African transition from Apartheid to democracy in 1994, the Romanian Revolution in December of 1989 and several other riots induced revolutions where people did get killed, but they have one thing in common; they were uprisings of ‘the people’ against ‘the government’ and not fully-fledged civil wars or invasions of third-party armies.
In the caterory of civil wars, there was the Spanish Revolution in 1936, but (despite Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy provided weapons and munitions to Franco’s forces) it was a revolution without outside forces taking active part.
Here is my challenge to you: Please let me know how many successful revolutions (without years or decades of civil war and unrest afterwards) you can think of where it was another nation that came in to free a people from their own un-democratic government?
The only successful exception I can think of is the ?-1783 War for Independence of the USA, when the French tipped the scales to the benefit of the people of another nation.
My bet is that the best way to true democracies in the Middle East is the peaceful approach AND from within. However, that requires that the people of the individual countries learn to see themselves as ‘the people’ and not as competing religious/ideological factions, because then there is a higher probability that the potential Middle East revolutions for democracy will end up in the messy situations characterizing most African countries – regardless of whether the revolutions are started with or without outside forces, like the USA.
I would say that the ongoing “Cedar Revolution” in Lebanon is more in support of my concept of peaceful transition than your concept of war transition!
Maori,
You said: “The african continent is rich of resources, but your system and your Leaders have made it a miserable place. People are just deliberately killed for being black and born black. What would you say for this.
Africans hate this non-human philosophy of west. Where it starts with skin colour and ends with skin colour. The concept of nations didnt ever exist a century before. It has been enforced by these Imperialistic nations to claim spaces and territories. I have read on this blog somebody having mentioned about a book on claiming territories and spaces.”
You are right, that the West (in general) has done more damage to Afracan economies than good. But you are not right in blaming the misery and instability on the West only. It is a fact that several of the civil wars in Africa have Islamic fundamentalists as the agressors, so the Middle East cannot write off influence either.
But most importantly, most of the civil wars and unrest is due to the GREED OF AFRICANS who are fighting amongst themselves to control natural resources. Non-African nations (not just the West) are not directly influencing these tribal/factional wars, but the GREED OF NON-AFRICAN NATIONS provide indirect support by not caring about who sells them diamonds (blood diamonds) and other natural resources, by not caring about who they sell weapons to, and by not caring about whether their general ‘terms of trade’ are fair to the populations in Africa.
I strongly disagree with your xenophobic notions, because there is no such thing as a ‘non-human philosophy of the west’ and it has nothing to do with skin color.
What it has to do with is ‘non-human philosophy’ of too many companies and their influence on governments in too many countries. But what it boils down to is indifference and lack of interest by too many consumers and voters.
Denmark, as in ‘the government of Denmark’ does not rely on destabilizing nations, but Denmark (as a country/government) is just as much to blame as both you and me for not objecting loudly enough, for excusing our inaction with our feeling of lacking influence, and for satisfying our own souls by blaming somebody else.
As a single person, you nor I cannot do anything to change things from one day to another. The only thing we can do is to agree that the current state of affairs is wrong and discuss it with as many people as possible, because the only thing that can trumph the influence on government policy by the money of large corporations is something more powerful; public opinion.
I have never bought a French car (I am still pissed about their nuclear testing on the Moruroa), I never buy Jaffa oranges (I do not want to support apartheid in Israel), and I try to buy ecologically produced products and products supported by fair trade organizations when I buy products from developing nations.
However, I have to accept and live with that I probably do support just as many unethical companies as I support ethical companies. But at least I accept my responsibility and try to influence my friends and family to accept their responsibility as well. The more people who recognize their responsibility instead of blaming everybody else, the closer we will be to a change.
Changing the corrupt policies of a government is not much different from a peaceful revolution; it takes time, but at some point the voice of dissent will be so loud that it cannot be ignored.
To Patriot:
I am calling you out as a fraud. You are not an American, you are a phoney who is attempting to instigate World War III by speaking for those who you are not.
Americans don’t like war, we pray for the safe return of our sons and peace in Iraq. We want what every country in the world wants, to be free from oppression and to live our lives in peace.
To those who mourn for Zarqawi and call him a freedom fighter, I ask you this: Do you win freedom by beheading innocent people? Do you win freedom by blowing yourself up in a crowded marketplace?
Iraq will be free of Americans when the barbaric acts like those of Zarqawi stop happening, until then America has a duty to defend the innocent people from the blood-lusting thugs of Al-Qaida.
For Bob,
I think your sentiments are well meant. However the fact remains that Iraq would NOT be the mess it is today if it weren’t for our illegal pre-emptive invasion of a country which was not a threat to us. Yesterday while perusing the net I found that Fox (that ever fair and balanced news outlet) has a new story. It is saying that thousands of the papers seized during the invasion are finally coming around to being translated and that they show proof of a Saddam-Al-Queda connection. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,199053,00.html as well as POSSIBLY a clue as to where the WMD’s went. This is indeed very interesting, and I will be one of the first to eat crow if indeed it is true. But honestly, I feel it is just one more in a long string of of utter lies this corrupt administration has fed the public. I am not one to deny truth and it is in that vein that I offer this story should it be in fact true.
Currently I am numb. It seems our president just made a quick trip to the VERY inner circle of the green zone in order to what? You tell me. But as I am watching Fox (where the spin never stops and really is the best source of “alternative” truth)
news here go the comments: What is this going to do for bush’s poll numbers? He’s had a really good week. We got Zarqawi and a treasure trove of terrorist information. Carl Rove is NOT going to be indicted (at this time). It’s looking good and the Republicans need this going into mid-term elections. It will DEFINITELY add to the bush legacy and all the naysayers should back off. Even Joe Biden, Democrat and possible presidential candidate jumped on the band wagon (puke, thumbs down). NO ONE I repeat NO ONE is talking about the death and destruction we are reeking in Iraq. NO ONE is talking about how we are supporting the butcher state of Israel, and NO ONE has the balls to stand up to this criminal administration. It IS a good thing we got Zarqawi, but how many terrorists have we created in the last years of our foreign policy? I hate to be a party pooper, but this is NOT about US politics, this is about our military killing thousands of people around the world in the name of “freedom”. I have never been one to wave the flag, but at this point in time all I can see is the flag dripping with blood. The blood of Iraqis, the blood of Palestinians, the blood of all the innocent people who have gotten in our way in our quest of imperialism. This is more than I can personally stomach about my country. Damn bush, damn every American politician and citizen who waves our supposed flag of freedom. It is only blood.
Bob,
Amen, bro. By the way, are you Bob from ITM?
All,
I still don’t believe in a celebration of a death, no matter how bad he was.
A death is not a matter of a celebration.
If it is to you. You are very sick and under the influence of Bush.
Kimmy,
What’re you saying!!!! Are you accusing me of being under the influence of GWB!!!! Oh man… What an insult!!!
I have to admit here. I am Guilty as charged.
I love Bush.
kimmy,
Are you suggesting that the death of Adolf Hitler was not an event worthy of celebration?
No, Ali, it was not, and if you think so, you are under the influence of Bush, who was, who is, and who forever will be.
Philip,
I’m sure you had a very good point to make…but I’m afraid I’m unable to decipher it based on what you’ve written.
You seem to suggest that anyone who is glad that Hitler was killed (before he was able to wage more war and murder countless more minorities) back in the 1940′s must be under the influence of… Bush today.
Odd.
The latter portion of your submission makes even less sense, I’m afraid.
Perhaps you’d like to try again? Or else try kimmy’s tact and just sort of walk away from your point…
I am quite shocked at how many people are attacking the US for killing this fanatic, I agree that Bush is not the brightest candle in the room, but to defend a man like El-Zarqawi and say that he defended Iraq is just pure madness, does anyone care that he killed though sands of innocent Iraqis, both Sunni and Shia? Did you forget that he was the one who behead a man on global TV? I do not think these are the acts of a god fearing man who wants freedom for his people; I think he was a power hungry nutcase like his hero Osama who only think about controlling others.
As for the comments about the west not being a great place to live in well all I can say is this…..yes there are many things which are immoral and unjust here, but I would still rather live here than living under the rule of fanatics like we have in the Middle East.
It really turns my stomach every time I here someone defending the actions of these fanatics, just because they say “Alamo Amber” when they commit their savage acts of terror.
And please do not tell me about how bad the US is doing, because two wrongs don’t make a right.
Mougley,
I for one, just to make this clear, am very glad this lunatic is dead. But the fact remains for everyone you kill, 100 are willing to replace him. It is a “no-end” battle which has taken my country down a road to “constant war” mentality and has put my country in a fear mode which is willing to do ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING including infringing upon the civil liberties of our citizens. Terrorism and terrorists are VERY real entities, but I believe my country’s current and past foreign policy is only creating more of the entity it is so eager to fight. Here is a very interesting article which has a different take on the situation. A snippet “A war on specific terrorists is arguably fightable by military means provided sufficient resources, mostly manpower, are committed, and the price of escalation is accepted. But a war on terrorism is an all-inclusive conceptual undertaking that even a superpower does not possess adequate resources to conduct, particularly if the fountainhead of such super-power is the very flawed policies that force-feed terrorism. A war on terrorism is a conflict without clear terms of engagement, except that the more is won on the battlefield the more is lost in the hearts and minds of the target population.” http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/HF23Ad02.html
Very interesting take on US foreign policy and it’s global affects.
Ali,
Sorry for the confusion. I was using a combo of sarcasm and satire here. Actually, I am on your side (almost always!). I was playing off the “everything evil stems from Bush” notion and certain nonsensical posts that seem to imply that anyone who opposes certain viewpoints is somehow under Bush’s apparently superhuman mind control powers. Note my much earlier comment:
“I generally do not celebrate a death, but when evil hits a certain level, yes?a celebration is in order. Hooray! Hitler is dead. Hooray! Nero is dead. Hooray! Ted Bundy is dead. Hooray! Stalin is dead. Hooray! Zarqawi is dead. I?m sorry if that sounds crass, but it?s how I feel.
If you want a face to put with the deaths of innocent Iraqis, look back at the photo in the post. Unfortunately, there are many more like him.”
I could make quite a list of people that I’m glad are dead. And I would not frown on it for a moment if Iraqis (and Jordanians) all got together and held an all night punk rock show with the mosh pit right over his grave! Just a little clarification! ;-)
Mougly/Robin,
Mougly…right on. Love US policy or hate it, Zarqawi needed to die, and to do so staring in the faces of those he most loathed…yeah, that’s sweet.
The argument that “there will just be another to replace him” is absolutely terrible. Very well, then. Let’s give a free ride to street gang leaders, organized crime kingpins and the heads of any other organizations that eagerly shed innocent blood. Terrorist groups are like the hydra…they keep growing new heads. So, either we send Hercules (or maybe Chuck Norris) to do what it takes to destroy it or appease it by feeding it our babies.
Philip,
You are not understanding me correctly. I am not making the point that Zarqawi should not have been taken out because there are 100 replacements. Rather what I am saying is that after we take him out there are 100 eager replacements. Please read the entire article I provided (minus the “greehorn” paragraph which does not pertain). Rather than repeat the article itself, I will say that I am in complete agreement with the author. In a nutshell, what the US “THINKS” it is accomplishing with it’s current policy in the war on terrorism it is “NOT” accomplishing. Just because this administration says what they are doing works, does NOT mean it is working. This current policy has no end in site with no achievable goal. COMPLETE STOP.
A smart person learns from their mistakes. A stupid person just keeps making the same mistakes and never learns.
Robin
I agree with you to a large degree, I think terrorism has increased since the war in Iraq started.
Although now that the war is on, the US can’t simply leave, as this will create a void of power in the region and leaving Iraq to be ruled by the extremists. I do also agree that he US’s foreign policy did not help the fight against terrorism.
Having said this and as much as I hate to admit this, I would rather have an administration like the Bush one with the power than one from the Middle East, and specially one ruled by some religious fanatic like El-Zarqawi
Well Mougley, I would rather live in the United States myself when push comes to shove but that does not mean I like what my country does in any way when it comes to foreign policy. In fact, as far as foreign policy goes, I cannot think of a single administration within my lifetime, either Republican OR Democrat that I agree with their foreign policy. If you take the instance of Israel alone it is enough to turn me against my country’s actions abroad. Add in all the instances of CIA involvement in “administration changes” in Latin America and the Viet Nam war (just to name a few) and I cannot come up with anything that can outweigh the bad decisions we have made. As for Iraq, you are asking the wrong person for an answer on that one because I too feel we cannot win for loosing. No matter what we do, the outcome is ours to own because as the old saying goes, “if you break it you own it”. Not to say that I was ever a fan of Saddam but honestly, this mess we have created there now is SUCH a mess I just honestly have NO idea what to do. I tend to favor a phased pull out for one reason, if it all goes to hell in a hand basket then MAYBE a multi-national force will step in and then the burden will not solely be on us. Til then, I continue to believe that this was a totally unwaranted and illegal war meant SOLELY to create a US controlled sphere of influence in the Middle East. I also continue to feel the guilt of an American who was ENTIRELY against this folly in the first place.
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