Comments on: Abu Musab al-Zarqawi killed by US-Jordanian forces http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/06/08/abu-musab-al-zarqawi-killed-by-us-jordanian-forces/ We Still Hold The Key And Deed To Our Home In Palestine. We Will Return! Sat, 22 Nov 2008 07:27:56 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Robin http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/06/08/abu-musab-al-zarqawi-killed-by-us-jordanian-forces/#comment-164833 Robin Sat, 24 Jun 2006 01:59:31 +0000 http://sabbah.biz/mt/?p=1380#comment-164833 Well Mougley, I would rather live in the United States myself when push comes to shove but that does not mean I like what my country does in any way when it comes to foreign policy. In fact, as far as foreign policy goes, I cannot think of a single administration within my lifetime, either Republican OR Democrat that I agree with their foreign policy. If you take the instance of Israel alone it is enough to turn me against my country's actions abroad. Add in all the instances of CIA involvement in "administration changes" in Latin America and the Viet Nam war (just to name a few) and I cannot come up with anything that can outweigh the bad decisions we have made. As for Iraq, you are asking the wrong person for an answer on that one because I too feel we cannot win for loosing. No matter what we do, the outcome is ours to own because as the old saying goes, "if you break it you own it". Not to say that I was ever a fan of Saddam but honestly, this mess we have created there now is SUCH a mess I just honestly have NO idea what to do. I tend to favor a phased pull out for one reason, if it all goes to hell in a hand basket then MAYBE a multi-national force will step in and then the burden will not solely be on us. Til then, I continue to believe that this was a totally unwaranted and illegal war meant SOLELY to create a US controlled sphere of influence in the Middle East. I also continue to feel the guilt of an American who was ENTIRELY against this folly in the first place. Well Mougley, I would rather live in the United States myself when push comes to shove but that does not mean I like what my country does in any way when it comes to foreign policy. In fact, as far as foreign policy goes, I cannot think of a single administration within my lifetime, either Republican OR Democrat that I agree with their foreign policy. If you take the instance of Israel alone it is enough to turn me against my country’s actions abroad. Add in all the instances of CIA involvement in “administration changes” in Latin America and the Viet Nam war (just to name a few) and I cannot come up with anything that can outweigh the bad decisions we have made. As for Iraq, you are asking the wrong person for an answer on that one because I too feel we cannot win for loosing. No matter what we do, the outcome is ours to own because as the old saying goes, “if you break it you own it”. Not to say that I was ever a fan of Saddam but honestly, this mess we have created there now is SUCH a mess I just honestly have NO idea what to do. I tend to favor a phased pull out for one reason, if it all goes to hell in a hand basket then MAYBE a multi-national force will step in and then the burden will not solely be on us. Til then, I continue to believe that this was a totally unwaranted and illegal war meant SOLELY to create a US controlled sphere of influence in the Middle East. I also continue to feel the guilt of an American who was ENTIRELY against this folly in the first place.

]]> By: Mougly http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/06/08/abu-musab-al-zarqawi-killed-by-us-jordanian-forces/#comment-164727 Mougly Sat, 24 Jun 2006 00:41:52 +0000 http://sabbah.biz/mt/?p=1380#comment-164727 Robin I agree with you to a large degree, I think terrorism has increased since the war in Iraq started. Although now that the war is on, the US can't simply leave, as this will create a void of power in the region and leaving Iraq to be ruled by the extremists. I do also agree that he US's foreign policy did not help the fight against terrorism. Having said this and as much as I hate to admit this, I would rather have an administration like the Bush one with the power than one from the Middle East, and specially one ruled by some religious fanatic like El-Zarqawi Robin
I agree with you to a large degree, I think terrorism has increased since the war in Iraq started.
Although now that the war is on, the US can’t simply leave, as this will create a void of power in the region and leaving Iraq to be ruled by the extremists. I do also agree that he US’s foreign policy did not help the fight against terrorism.
Having said this and as much as I hate to admit this, I would rather have an administration like the Bush one with the power than one from the Middle East, and specially one ruled by some religious fanatic like El-Zarqawi

]]> By: Robin http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/06/08/abu-musab-al-zarqawi-killed-by-us-jordanian-forces/#comment-163668 Robin Fri, 23 Jun 2006 03:59:42 +0000 http://sabbah.biz/mt/?p=1380#comment-163668 Philip, You are not understanding me correctly. I am not making the point that Zarqawi should not have been taken out because there are 100 replacements. Rather what I am saying is that after we take him out there are 100 eager replacements. Please read the entire article I provided (minus the "greehorn" paragraph which does not pertain). Rather than repeat the article itself, I will say that I am in complete agreement with the author. In a nutshell, what the US "THINKS" it is accomplishing with it's current policy in the war on terrorism it is "NOT" accomplishing. Just because this administration says what they are doing works, does NOT mean it is working. This current policy has no end in site with no achievable goal. COMPLETE STOP. A smart person learns from their mistakes. A stupid person just keeps making the same mistakes and never learns. Philip,
You are not understanding me correctly. I am not making the point that Zarqawi should not have been taken out because there are 100 replacements. Rather what I am saying is that after we take him out there are 100 eager replacements. Please read the entire article I provided (minus the “greehorn” paragraph which does not pertain). Rather than repeat the article itself, I will say that I am in complete agreement with the author. In a nutshell, what the US “THINKS” it is accomplishing with it’s current policy in the war on terrorism it is “NOT” accomplishing. Just because this administration says what they are doing works, does NOT mean it is working. This current policy has no end in site with no achievable goal. COMPLETE STOP.
A smart person learns from their mistakes. A stupid person just keeps making the same mistakes and never learns.

]]> By: Philip http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/06/08/abu-musab-al-zarqawi-killed-by-us-jordanian-forces/#comment-163617 Philip Fri, 23 Jun 2006 02:16:47 +0000 http://sabbah.biz/mt/?p=1380#comment-163617 Mougly/Robin, Mougly...right on. Love US policy or hate it, Zarqawi needed to die, and to do so staring in the faces of those he most loathed...yeah, that's sweet. The argument that "there will just be another to replace him" is absolutely terrible. Very well, then. Let's give a free ride to street gang leaders, organized crime kingpins and the heads of any other organizations that eagerly shed innocent blood. Terrorist groups are like the hydra...they keep growing new heads. So, either we send Hercules (or maybe Chuck Norris) to do what it takes to destroy it or appease it by feeding it our babies. Mougly/Robin,
Mougly…right on. Love US policy or hate it, Zarqawi needed to die, and to do so staring in the faces of those he most loathed…yeah, that’s sweet.
The argument that “there will just be another to replace him” is absolutely terrible. Very well, then. Let’s give a free ride to street gang leaders, organized crime kingpins and the heads of any other organizations that eagerly shed innocent blood. Terrorist groups are like the hydra…they keep growing new heads. So, either we send Hercules (or maybe Chuck Norris) to do what it takes to destroy it or appease it by feeding it our babies.

]]> By: Philip http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/06/08/abu-musab-al-zarqawi-killed-by-us-jordanian-forces/#comment-163608 Philip Fri, 23 Jun 2006 02:07:47 +0000 http://sabbah.biz/mt/?p=1380#comment-163608 Ali, Sorry for the confusion. I was using a combo of sarcasm and satire here. Actually, I am on your side (almost always!). I was playing off the "everything evil stems from Bush" notion and certain nonsensical posts that seem to imply that anyone who opposes certain viewpoints is somehow under Bush's apparently superhuman mind control powers. Note my much earlier comment: "I generally do not celebrate a death, but when evil hits a certain level, yes?a celebration is in order. Hooray! Hitler is dead. Hooray! Nero is dead. Hooray! Ted Bundy is dead. Hooray! Stalin is dead. Hooray! Zarqawi is dead. I?m sorry if that sounds crass, but it?s how I feel. If you want a face to put with the deaths of innocent Iraqis, look back at the photo in the post. Unfortunately, there are many more like him." I could make quite a list of people that I'm glad are dead. And I would not frown on it for a moment if Iraqis (and Jordanians) all got together and held an all night punk rock show with the mosh pit right over his grave! Just a little clarification! ;-) Ali,
Sorry for the confusion. I was using a combo of sarcasm and satire here. Actually, I am on your side (almost always!). I was playing off the “everything evil stems from Bush” notion and certain nonsensical posts that seem to imply that anyone who opposes certain viewpoints is somehow under Bush’s apparently superhuman mind control powers. Note my much earlier comment:

“I generally do not celebrate a death, but when evil hits a certain level, yes?a celebration is in order. Hooray! Hitler is dead. Hooray! Nero is dead. Hooray! Ted Bundy is dead. Hooray! Stalin is dead. Hooray! Zarqawi is dead. I?m sorry if that sounds crass, but it?s how I feel.
If you want a face to put with the deaths of innocent Iraqis, look back at the photo in the post. Unfortunately, there are many more like him.”

I could make quite a list of people that I’m glad are dead. And I would not frown on it for a moment if Iraqis (and Jordanians) all got together and held an all night punk rock show with the mosh pit right over his grave! Just a little clarification! ;-)

]]> By: Robin http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/06/08/abu-musab-al-zarqawi-killed-by-us-jordanian-forces/#comment-163168 Robin Thu, 22 Jun 2006 15:06:46 +0000 http://sabbah.biz/mt/?p=1380#comment-163168 Mougley, I for one, just to make this clear, am very glad this lunatic is dead. But the fact remains for everyone you kill, 100 are willing to replace him. It is a "no-end" battle which has taken my country down a road to "constant war" mentality and has put my country in a fear mode which is willing to do ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING including infringing upon the civil liberties of our citizens. Terrorism and terrorists are VERY real entities, but I believe my country's current and past foreign policy is only creating more of the entity it is so eager to fight. Here is a very interesting article which has a different take on the situation. A snippet "A war on specific terrorists is arguably fightable by military means provided sufficient resources, mostly manpower, are committed, and the price of escalation is accepted. But a war on terrorism is an all-inclusive conceptual undertaking that even a superpower does not possess adequate resources to conduct, particularly if the fountainhead of such super-power is the very flawed policies that force-feed terrorism. A war on terrorism is a conflict without clear terms of engagement, except that the more is won on the battlefield the more is lost in the hearts and minds of the target population." http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/HF23Ad02.html Very interesting take on US foreign policy and it's global affects. Mougley,
I for one, just to make this clear, am very glad this lunatic is dead. But the fact remains for everyone you kill, 100 are willing to replace him. It is a “no-end” battle which has taken my country down a road to “constant war” mentality and has put my country in a fear mode which is willing to do ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING including infringing upon the civil liberties of our citizens. Terrorism and terrorists are VERY real entities, but I believe my country’s current and past foreign policy is only creating more of the entity it is so eager to fight. Here is a very interesting article which has a different take on the situation. A snippet “A war on specific terrorists is arguably fightable by military means provided sufficient resources, mostly manpower, are committed, and the price of escalation is accepted. But a war on terrorism is an all-inclusive conceptual undertaking that even a superpower does not possess adequate resources to conduct, particularly if the fountainhead of such super-power is the very flawed policies that force-feed terrorism. A war on terrorism is a conflict without clear terms of engagement, except that the more is won on the battlefield the more is lost in the hearts and minds of the target population.” http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/HF23Ad02.html
Very interesting take on US foreign policy and it’s global affects.

]]> By: Mougly http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/06/08/abu-musab-al-zarqawi-killed-by-us-jordanian-forces/#comment-162714 Mougly Thu, 22 Jun 2006 08:03:42 +0000 http://sabbah.biz/mt/?p=1380#comment-162714 I am quite shocked at how many people are attacking the US for killing this fanatic, I agree that Bush is not the brightest candle in the room, but to defend a man like El-Zarqawi and say that he defended Iraq is just pure madness, does anyone care that he killed though sands of innocent Iraqis, both Sunni and Shia? Did you forget that he was the one who behead a man on global TV? I do not think these are the acts of a god fearing man who wants freedom for his people; I think he was a power hungry nutcase like his hero Osama who only think about controlling others. As for the comments about the west not being a great place to live in well all I can say is this.....yes there are many things which are immoral and unjust here, but I would still rather live here than living under the rule of fanatics like we have in the Middle East. It really turns my stomach every time I here someone defending the actions of these fanatics, just because they say "Alamo Amber" when they commit their savage acts of terror. And please do not tell me about how bad the US is doing, because two wrongs don't make a right. I am quite shocked at how many people are attacking the US for killing this fanatic, I agree that Bush is not the brightest candle in the room, but to defend a man like El-Zarqawi and say that he defended Iraq is just pure madness, does anyone care that he killed though sands of innocent Iraqis, both Sunni and Shia? Did you forget that he was the one who behead a man on global TV? I do not think these are the acts of a god fearing man who wants freedom for his people; I think he was a power hungry nutcase like his hero Osama who only think about controlling others.

As for the comments about the west not being a great place to live in well all I can say is this…..yes there are many things which are immoral and unjust here, but I would still rather live here than living under the rule of fanatics like we have in the Middle East.
It really turns my stomach every time I here someone defending the actions of these fanatics, just because they say “Alamo Amber” when they commit their savage acts of terror.
And please do not tell me about how bad the US is doing, because two wrongs don’t make a right.

]]> By: Ali http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/06/08/abu-musab-al-zarqawi-killed-by-us-jordanian-forces/#comment-162474 Ali Thu, 22 Jun 2006 03:31:28 +0000 http://sabbah.biz/mt/?p=1380#comment-162474 Philip, I'm sure you had a very good point to make...but I'm afraid I'm unable to decipher it based on what you've written. You seem to suggest that anyone who is glad that Hitler was killed (before he was able to wage more war and murder countless more minorities) back in the 1940's must be under the influence of... Bush today. Odd. The latter portion of your submission makes even less sense, I'm afraid. Perhaps you'd like to try again? Or else try kimmy's tact and just sort of walk away from your point... Philip,
I’m sure you had a very good point to make…but I’m afraid I’m unable to decipher it based on what you’ve written.
You seem to suggest that anyone who is glad that Hitler was killed (before he was able to wage more war and murder countless more minorities) back in the 1940’s must be under the influence of… Bush today.

Odd.

The latter portion of your submission makes even less sense, I’m afraid.
Perhaps you’d like to try again? Or else try kimmy’s tact and just sort of walk away from your point…

]]> By: Philip http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/06/08/abu-musab-al-zarqawi-killed-by-us-jordanian-forces/#comment-156880 Philip Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:24:37 +0000 http://sabbah.biz/mt/?p=1380#comment-156880 No, Ali, it was not, and if you think so, you are under the influence of Bush, who was, who is, and who forever will be. No, Ali, it was not, and if you think so, you are under the influence of Bush, who was, who is, and who forever will be.

]]> By: Ali http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/06/08/abu-musab-al-zarqawi-killed-by-us-jordanian-forces/#comment-156712 Ali Thu, 15 Jun 2006 15:06:25 +0000 http://sabbah.biz/mt/?p=1380#comment-156712 kimmy, Are you suggesting that the death of Adolf Hitler was not an event worthy of celebration? kimmy,
Are you suggesting that the death of Adolf Hitler was not an event worthy of celebration?

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