Comments on: What can they do, kill us?

By: Victor

Victor — Wed, 12 Jul 2006 22:00:14 +0000

I have been researching the information you have provided, along with my own researched materials and I have come across some very disturbing information. Robin, I would enjoy some one-on-one for a comparison of notes if this would be of interest to you.

By: Robin

Robin — Tue, 04 Jul 2006 15:05:13 +0000

If you have come to this site in search of news concerning the situation in Gaza you will learn that there is much suffering being experienced by the civilian population there. At times like these, the children are particularly vulnerable. Many are lying in hospitals suffering from wounds incurred in this present situation which has been going on particularly hard since the shelling on the beach of Gaza by an Israel missile ?gone astray? which killed seven members of one family. There are children in the hospitals in Gaza suffering from all sorts of health afflictions who are not receiving the medicines they need. My premature babies are at risk of dying as well as severely ill children. The power plants have been bombed and the water is in great shortage. No matter what your politics, I am sure that no one wishes for children to suffer under these circumstances. There is an organization in Berkley, CA called the Middle East Children?s Alliance which was founded to support the needs of children suffering from the various situations in the Middle East. Currently they are trying to raise the moneys necessary to ship medicines to the children in Gaza. You can send your tax-free donations to the following address:

MECA
901 Parker Street
Berkley, CA 94710
*Gaza meds memo*

or you can contact them online here:

http://www.mecaforpeace.org/GazaMeds.html

Please, if you are from North America, find it in your heart to make a donation no matter how small to this organization which is working so hard to bring help to the children there. Thank you

By: Robin

Robin — Mon, 03 Jul 2006 06:10:30 +0000

“Palestinians are suffering without the basic services of electricity, water, or access to food, schools and hospitals that are meant to be guaranteed in times of war. APJP calls upon the international community to force the Israeli government to respect and adhere to articles 3 and 33 of the Geneva convention, which prohibit collective punishment, reprisals against protected persons, and the destruction of private properties belonging to individuals, groups, organisations or official bodies. These acts by the IDF qualify for appropriate sanctions against the serious violations by military attacks against a primarily civilian population.

We call for Israel to halt its disproportionate collective punishment and for the cessation of the siege that is being perpetrated against the innocent civilians of the Gaza Strip.”
Palestinians are suffering without the basic services of electricity, water, or access to food, schools and hospitals that are meant to be guaranteed in times of war. APJP calls upon the international community to force the Israeli government to respect and adhere to articles 3 and 33 of the Geneva convention, which prohibit collective punishment, reprisals against protected persons, and the destruction of private properties belonging to individuals, groups, organisations or official bodies. These acts by the IDF qualify for appropriate sanctions against the serious violations by military attacks against a primarily civilian population.

“UN Secretary General Kofi Annan expressed his concern Sunday about the situation in Gaza after early morning’s bombing of Palestinian prime minister’s office by Israeli troops.

Annan said he was particularly concerned the bombing of Palestinian prime minister’s office and the arrests of Palestinian legislators.

“I remain very concerned about the need to preserve Palestinian institutions and infrastructure,” said Annan during a press conference on the sidelines of the seventh AU summit held here on Saturday and Sunday, adding that “they will be the basis for an eventual two-state solution, which was in the interest of both Israelis and the Palestinians.”

Annan said that it seems inadvisable to carry out actions that will have the opposite effects.”
UN Secretary General Kofi Annan expressed his concern Sunday about the situation in Gaza after early morning’s bombing of Palestinian prime minister’s office by Israeli troops.

Annan said he was particularly concerned the bombing of Palestinian prime minister’s office and the arrests of Palestinian legislators.

Annan said that it seems inadvisable to carry out actions that will have the opposite effects.
http://english.people.com.cn/200607/03/eng20060703_279459.html

I was NEVER in favor of this abduction by Hamas. I have NEVER been in favor of “rocket boys” I have NEVER supported the use of “suicide bombers”. NONE OF THAT MATTERS. NOTHING that the Palestinians have done has merited the treatment of their entire civilian population to these atrocities. Israel is a TERRORIST STATE in violation of international law. It is very simple, END THE OCCUPATION BECAUSE IT IS ILLEGAL!!!!!!!!!!!!
There are people out there all over Gaza and the other occupied territories SUFFERING. I beg for their oppressors to stop their actions. I am NOT speaking violence, I am speaking to an END to the violence heaped upon several million people by the Zionist state. I pray for peace.

By: Victor

Victor — Mon, 03 Jul 2006 05:57:40 +0000

This is true, but to cause this to cease would be of greater importance.

By: kimmy

kimmy — Mon, 03 Jul 2006 04:58:33 +0000

Victor,
Zionists are the crux of the problem.
They will kill whomever they want.
They will do whatever they want.
Gaza is a turkey shoot to them. All Palestinians are free to be shot.
They don’t care. Mothers and children are free targets.
Whatever you say still doesn’t explain
israeli atrocities.

By: Victor

Victor — Sun, 02 Jul 2006 20:41:54 +0000

Well, That is much experience…I am in complete agreement with you…I pray for the people there on a constant basis.I pray for their safety, and their resolve…since this is their only chance.

By waging war, we reap war…death beggets death…The Torah that I read says many things, and my interpretation for this instance would be to resolve the situation. I know full well that you do not support the rocket boys, but by preaching the doctrine of the Zionist…you ignite the fuel that keeps the struggle alive. They need to work on inner strength…the Zionists will kill whomever they choose regardless…but if there is no resistance, then the WORLD WILL SEE FIRST HAND that there is no struggle from these people yet they are being squashed…THAT IS HOW TO END THE OPPRESSION.

By: Filistini4life

Filistini4life — Sun, 02 Jul 2006 17:15:43 +0000

The true criminals of this whole ordeal are the Arab leaders. They sit back in their high chairs and castles and watch their own blood starve, and bleed to death. Where are the true Muslims? Where is Salah Al-Din? Omar ibn al Khatab? Egyption president Nasser? These arab and muslim leaders we have today are cowards and insha’allah will pay the price on Judgement Day!

By: Robin

Robin — Sun, 02 Jul 2006 16:52:15 +0000

Victor,
I do not support violence by ANYONE. Lobbing rockets into Israel and “suicide bombing” are acts of revenge which only bring BIGGER revenge. I am only stating that there is a reason why the Palestinians are doing this. They have not been given justice in YEARS and even during cease-fires the Zionists have not continued towards withdrawal from the occupied territories. There is also much consideration which needs to be paid to the internal politics of Israel. Olmert does not come from a military background and is now the one in power flexing his muscle to win support of the right wing. He’s been given sympathy due to ONE soldier being kidnapped and one young Israeli being murdered. These are WRONG acts. But your continued call for ALL Palestinians to control their behavior and lay down and roll over is just not going to happen. Israel has CONTINUED to use ANY incident as a justification for their policies. It’s just never going to happen that every single Palestinian comes to the conclusion you are asking for. BUT, if Israel withdrew their troops, changed their policies towards the Palestinians, then you could start a peace process. They are a standing army controlled by a legitimate government. It IS within their power to withdraw. They have been breaking international law since 1967 (further back actually) and THAT needs to be addressed because my stupid government continues to support them and SHOULD NOT. By the way, you know nothing of me on a personal level. I am not Palestinian but I was married to a Muslim for nine years (Saudi) and am very amicably divorced. We share a 28-year old daughter. I am American but I am pretty darn well-versed in Arab culture but beyond that am a life-long student of these matters. I have lived in Lebanon and visited refugee camps there as well as lived through six months of the Lebanese civil war. During that time I could sit on the balcony of our apartment and literally wave to the pilots in Israeli fighter jets flying over Beirut. These people are FRIGHTENING and politics aside, I wish that you would drop your insistance on a victim to roll over COMPLETELY and instead put your efforts and prayers towards stopping the perpetrator of this crisis. There are just too many innocent lives being lost throughout the years to do anything but pray for the hearts of stone of the Zionists to be changed.

By: Victor

Victor — Sun, 02 Jul 2006 06:08:46 +0000

Referring to the Israelis as the terrorists could very well be informed observation, but to verbalize such without showing the world that you do not support such activities, and that Palestine is just the victom of this beast and it’s oppression will raise awareness on the Palesinian situation.

By: Victor

Victor — Sun, 02 Jul 2006 06:04:38 +0000

Im sorry, I could just look up there, but wasn’t it you before who suggested I approach this without the emotional content?

By: Victor

Victor — Sun, 02 Jul 2006 05:39:56 +0000

Listen please Robin. I am very interested in your history lesson…this is why I have read every shred of data you supplied. As mentioned earlier, I am a student of life…Islam, Palestine, Israeli, Arab, Jew, American, Russian, Zionest, New World Order, whatever…its all knowlege. I can assimilate the information provided…quite adequately. I see an area of the globe that has had more strife then any other area anywhere. I see a place where at one time Arab and Jew lived together in peach (with eachother at least)…I see a place on the planet where our species may have originated…I see a place on the planet where our species may end…I see many things…from the beginning of time until this time. They have always fought to defend their homeland. Even when against impossible odds…
This is the only time in history this one place has had as many options as they do now…and all of these options depend on what the rest of the world thinks about everything involved. They see your enemy. The Zionist state that oppresses the Palestinians…but with modern methods of war…whereas the Palestinians, they have been ravaged by war since before the stories began…They have never had the ability to build a stable base…ever…so they could never respond with normal means of legal modern warfare…so as a result, the natural thing happens…an arab/islamic style gorilla warfare. India and Pakastan have developed neuclear weapons, and threaten eachother all the time…why does the world not step in with these people? because they agree to follow the modern methods of war agreements of past and late…and they have the means to do so. So essentially, they are not harrassed…Palestine has not this means, so Palestine is not looked at the same as Israel. Then you have your rocket boys sending rockets over, causing Israel to send in 50 tanks and 500 troops. Fair deal for a couple rockets is it? well…it is the methods…and the methods will follow that place to history without change. It will continue to be oppressed because the people who live there do not see the valuable resources right in front of them. DO NOTHING TO YOUR OPPRESSORS…THE WORLD WILL STAND BEHIND YOU ONCE THEY SEE YOU DO THIS…not the entire world…the USA still likes Israel, but there are others…many others who aren’t playing favorites. Have you listened to the news recently?

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By: Robin

Robin — Sat, 01 Jul 2006 21:43:22 +0000

Look Victor, first off, I am feeling that you have no desire to learn the history of this matter. To expect a group of people to stop defending themselves is a ridicuolous proposition. I too wish that Hamas and others would stop lobbing rockets into Israel because it derails the peace process but that is NOT the entire reason for any peace process not moving forward. The peace processes thus far put forward were NOT equitable to the Palestinians. Why do you insist that the entire onus of peace be on the Palestinians? Let’s just say you are a VERY peaceful Palestinian family, eeking out your hardscrabble daily life and BAM, an Israeli rocket misses it’s target and kills your family. OR, you are that same family and one of your son get’s mixed up with the “wrong crowd” (I use these words tentatively) and gets involved in the resistance movement. Next thing you know your house has been bulldozed and you are left homeless http://www.counterpunch.org/schechla06142006.html. OR, the Israeli’s bulldozed your hardscrabble home because you supposedly don’t hold the proper building permit OR your home was bulldozed as part of collective punishment for someone in your neighborhood allegedly harboring a “terrorist” In 2004 alone Israel bulldozed 2243 Palestinian homes. Your roads are blocked and when you do attempt to cross checkpoints on your way to school or work you are stopped http://www.hrw.org/wr2k1/mideast/israel.html. If you are wounded in a blast of any type or simply need to be taken to the hospital by ambulance your ambulance is stopped by the IOF
and refused access. Your water, in YOUR land, is appropriated by the state of Israel. So on and so on and so on. It is not up to the Palestinians to prove they are victims, IT IS UP TO THE WORLD to recognize this humanitarian disaster and take action against Israel. COMPLETE STOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By: Victor

Victor — Sat, 01 Jul 2006 21:09:35 +0000

THAT is EXACTLY what I am saying. When they defend themselves, they are the perpetrator of crimes. This is the perception. If this is the perception, then the perception must change or winning will NOT be an option. Listen. Israelis are NOT IDIOTS, if they were, they would not be winning so effortlessly. You can show me the figures all you like, who has lifted a finger to stop them? The terrorists? Sending rockets into villages…sure Israel is doing it…but if Palestine wasnt doing it, then Israel would be the ONLY GUILTY PARTY THAT THE WORLD CAN SEE!

By: Robin

Robin — Sat, 01 Jul 2006 20:44:55 +0000

Well Victor, you said it, ” They always have been, they will NOT be capable of seeing a way out (SINCE THERE NEVER HAS BEEN)?this is why they fight back. There seems to be NO OTHER ALTERNATIVE.
That is my point, there NEVER HAS BEEN A WAY OUT because as long as there is one Palestinian left that sees “legitimate resistance” of any kind as their right, then the Zionists will use this as an excuse to continue their policies. And you say that I am “stuck”? No Victor, I am not stuck, I am realistic.
Israel has been brought before the UN on violations on MANY occasions http://www.middleeastnews.com/unresolutionslist.html
They have ignored ALL of these resolutions. Yet you are asking the VICTIM, the Palestinians to come out waving a white flag. THAT is being STUCK in insisting that a people who have been beaten down and oppressed for YEARS to roll over and play dead when it is THEY who are the VICTIMS!!!! I have personally been to a Palestinian refugee camp and seen with my very own eyes how they live in that camp (Shatilla). If you had ANY idea whatsoever the enormity of their miserable everyday existance under the occupation and in refugee camps there is NO way you would expect them to all play nice. You would UNDERSTAND that that is the most riduculous wishful thinking on the face of this earth. Where the hell are you wishes for Israel to give up and go home? Where the heck are your requests for monies to get through for medicines for innocent children, for water, for electriciy, for food for BASIC HUMAN DIGNITY to be accepted by the Zionists for their Palestinian neighbors. Where is your outrage that Israel allows for any Jew in ANY part of the world to come to Israel and be granted citizenship under the right of return http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Return yet Palestinians who were forced out in the Nakba http://www.alnakba.org/ (Make SURE you read these two links) cannot return to their homeland? Victor, you are BLAMING THE VICTIM and as much as I would like to think that it would be possible to defang the Zionist dragon by waving a white flag, this is NOT feasable whatsoever. The only way to defang this monster is for the US to stop it’s support and for Israel itself to change THEIR aggressions which are the brutalization of another group of individuals who they think of as “insects” (Your words, CERTAINLY not mine)