Update- July 24, 2006: a new version of “Die with Love” signed bombs are here. Don’t miss the signing show of the Jewish men, and follow your comments on the new post, which is a continuation of this one!
Bloggers and Webmasters: Sorry, I had to move the photos outside my server due to the load it caused which resulted in getting the server down few times. You can get the photos from flickr here, here and here. Also available as an album, here!
Photo caption: Israeli girls write messages on a shell at a heavy artillery position near Kiryat Shmona, in northern Israel, next to the Lebanese border, Monday, July 17, 2006.(AP Photo/Sebastian Scheiner)
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Dear Lebanese/Palestinian/Arab/Muslim/Christians – Kids,
Die with love.
Yours,
Israeli Kids
Hate, disgust, extreme. I don’t know what word can describe these photos.
And they say that we are teaching our kids hate to Israelis!
Thank you, Israel kids, we received your gifts. See…
PS. The above message is imaginary. What they wrote is not necessary what I said above, it could be worse, could be sweet, sweet? Damn, what ever they write, these are bombs that are going to fall on innocent’s heads! The girls might be signing the bombs to be send to Nasrallah and Hezbollah, but the bomb are falling on civilian heads, not Nasrallh!
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Maybe if they press a littler harder those bombs will blow up in their faces!
unbelievable.
I keep writing and erasing my words of description, where im comming to conclude there is no word to express myslef; it has gone beyond words to say how I feel when I see pictures like these! I cry instead…
Jesus Christ..
Oh Shit…I can’t beleive they’re kids…
can you tell us the link to this picture Sabbah?
Sure Linda,
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/060717/481/c8723701e8f644f0b5befd7df750e8ea
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/060717/481/f9bc38f9a3a9401fb864a02b3a24f678
DISGUSTING. I can only feel hate.
From Spain i express the total support of spanish population to both palestine and libano in these terrible moments.
Only a number of months ago, Hezbollah openly threatened to abduct Israeli soldiers. Just last week, Hezbollah actually entered into Israeli territory, killed two soldiers and kidnapped two others. That is where this conflict started.
The Israeli government is responsible for the safety of its own Christian, Druze, Jewish and Muslim citizens. Likewise, I think that the people of Lebanon should complain to their own leaders – not to Israel – if they feel not well enough protected.
Hezbollah is running ‘a state within a state’ in Lebanon. Why should you blame Israel for your own problem? You see that this does not solve it, but makes it worse. My advice: disarm Hezbollah or tell them to get lost!
Long live Lebanon! Long live Israel!
wow..
I’m speechless
Thanks for sharing Sabah
really they have no kid soul !
It’s been a long time since I’ve seen a sadder photo…
Who are THE PARENTS who would encourage this sort of thing? Let me smack them.
Where on the missile does it say:
“Dear Lebanese/Palestinian/Arab/Muslim/Christians – Kids,
Die with love.”
Or how were you able to translate/figure out what the missiles say?
Please no – don’t hate, don’t smack, don’t wish for bombs to blow up in ANY children’s faces. Let us wage peace, and find tools to act for justice. Sharing information is good, but must lead to steps to make these hateful actions stop. I fear a “rising up” is necessary – our letter writing to Congress and candle light vigilling on street corners hasn’t been working. Soon we may have to put our bodies on the line. Look at these little Lebanese bodies, and Palestinian bodies, and Iraqi bodies, and American troops bodies – how can we NOT put our own bodies on the line?
We don’t have a leader like Gandhi or MLK, but let’s get prepared anyway.
I am shocked
Thats just simply disturbing more than it is shocking. Just Unbelievable!
(Dont try this at home KIDS!!!)
If indeed it is true that, “The foundation of every state lies in the education of it’s youth,” then the future foundation for a civilized word is being severely shaken by such thoughtless, careless, and inhumane gestures. This should be applling to anyone calling themselves a civilized human being.
Israel is a beacon of love and peace on the world. Don’t listen to anybody who says otherwise. Arabs are the mean ones. Jews are pure and are the favorite of God. God says to kill arabs and that’s why these kids do this. They want gods approval.
What a bunch of scum huh?
What about the pictures of five-year-olds dressed up in Hamas gear toting weaponry? Disturbed by that, or does that make you gleeful with joy?
Appalling. I posted it. Thank God you caught it.
Yes, isn’t it a wonderful world that has been built in the Middle East. I’m sure I don’t have to remind you of what occurs every day and every day in the Islamic media. Would you like to re-read the TV show transcript where a three year old Palestinian girl was being taught that Jews came from pigs and apes and that she wanted to kill Jews when she grew up, and the interviewer and audience thought that was so cute and clever of the child. I’m sure you have forgotten that most likely all those Israeli children have lost friends and family killed by 14 year old Palestinian “children” who strap on a suicide murder vest and blow themselves up in an Israeli market. Why does it shock you so much to learn that Israelis can learn to hate also?
yeah michael…did they at least killed anyone?
now,can you say the same about the above Israeli girls,(who are the 3rd generations of the Holocoust survivors.)
Applauding a rocket with “From Israel and Danielle…” make you a murderer than dressing as one.
They have bloood in their hands.
This is a message to nasarallah. You should use Google Earth to learn about prime targets in israel and strike there. Also, you should use meta carta. You can identify places and strike them precisely.
Totally speechless…..when are the injustices going to stop !!Long live Palestine and the people of Lebanon’
The thought that weaponry is something very nice for little kids to play with is nothing new in Israel (although this particular example is especially disgusting). If you want more details on the subject, I recommend you to read the following document (especially Chapter 1, which bears directly on the matter):
http://www.newprofile.org/data/uploads/child_soldiers/English.pdf
This is the English version. There’s also a Hebrew version here:
http://www.newprofile.org/data/uploads/child_soldiers/Hebrew.pdf
And an Arabic one here (though I’m not sure the translation to Arabic is any good):
http://www.newprofile.org/data/uploads/child_soldiers/Arabic.pdf
They are so cute. Children are innocent on all sides of this conflict. They learn from their parents.
Lebanese thank Israel and offer to help defeat Hezbollah. It’s over for the Army of God… God doesn’t need Armies Thank you.
http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/07/17/photo-of-the-day-israeli-kids-sends-gifts-of-love-to-arab-kids/
Well…
Hezbollah youth…
http://homepage.mac.com/cfj/.Pictures/young-hezbollah-01.jpg
That’s sick!
Sabbah, such a lovely name. It means “morning”.
Never stop telling the truth and exposing the real face of Israel.
Thank you (sukran) for showing us these pictures that will NEVER be seen by the west.
Don’t let Israeli hatred become your own. You are the next generation. Rise above it.
Stay safe Sabbah, Allahkursun!
Just to be fair – The messages on the missiles are not addressed to Lebanese kids. They are addressed to Hizbulla leader Nasralla (you cen see that clearly written in English). No where in the hebrew writings there is any reference to any kid. The Hizbulla has sent missiles at Israel’s north every day and night for the last 6 days killing without distinction. Israel is fighting back the Hizbulla. I see no wrong in writing messages addressed to the ones who sent the missiles first (and without provocation).
I am certain there is no single kid in Israel who wants to hurt other kids, not in Lebanon nor Gaza and not in any other place in the world, as I am sure kids are not capable of such hate.
Michael, I’m sorry perhaps you missed my point or I wasn’t very clear. What I am saying is that this behavior (condoning or encouraging violence against other human beings) is unacceptable regardless of who is practicing, espousing, or teaching it. Responding violently to violence does nothing but feed an evil flame by continued provocation. What would happen if Israel or Palestine just refused to kill any more and chalked their own losses up to a sacrifice for a greater cause (e.g., life and cohabitation)?
How do we know that the kids dressed up in Hamas gear didn’t kill anyone? Can you prove their innocence? I’m not saying their guilty, but it seems to me you assume their complete innocence.
And as far as I know, Palestinians are a people who have been teaching their children to hate for generations. So yeah… there’s that, too.
This is the sickest thing i have ever seen .. makes my stomach is lurching !
This is the sickest thing i have ever seen .. my stomach is lurching !
Thanks Sabbah for the link.
You guys, i think the posting of this picture is to show that while the rest of the world sees a few Palestinians teaching their children hate and dressing them up in fighting gear, unfortunately, when Israelis do something wrong, the west never sees it or hears about it. Well finally here is some proof, which goes to show every one that the Israeli government (not the Israeli people) also holds a great deal of blame, maybe even more because their collective punishment is not working!
And as for teaching hate in schools, what do the hardcore zionists teach their children in school? whats their anthem? oh yeah, the plan on taking over the middle east, “from the Euphrates to the Nile.”
Oh yeah, one more thing.
While someone claims that these bombs in the pictures are only targeted at Hisbollah, how do you explain the morder of more than 100 dead lebanese civillians already? that is a load of crap, effffffft, “only targeting Hizbollah.” Yeah right! I am so sick of balatant lies!
Nizam
I didn?t say this is the written message, I mean this is the teached message!
But look at the third photo, it is clear read ?? with love?
Michael Brenner and Yale Namir,
That is as much as sick as these. I hope you are not justifying these photos, are you?
Miri,
The bomb are falling on Lebanese kids, not Hezbollah and Nasrallah!
Scott Fink,
Are you justifying what this kids are doing?
Scott Fink, i do know because “The Israeli human rights group B?tselem reports that 903 Palestinian children and 109 Jewish-Israeli children have been killed in hostilities between 29 September 2000 and 30 June 2004.” which means on a scale of 1 to 10, 10 max evil or terrorism, Palestinians will take 1, while Israelis stand high at level 9.
John, yes it?s allowed to Israeli kids to hate also, but then it?s also allowed to Palestinians kids to hate multiple 9 times. Just do the simple math, and always keep this clear fact in your mind, that Israelis are the one who came from all over the world and occupied Palestine. What can I say more! You may have the power to own respect from the rest of the world but does that make you right?!
John, just show me justice, you know two families, one strong family occupied the house of the other family and killed 9 of their children, while only one of its children has been killed, judge on them, is it usual for your principles to stand with the family that occupied and killed and consider your self fair?
To Miri: You are wrong, claiming that Hizballah’s rockets on Israel are unprovoked. Israel bombed Lebanon, killing 53 civilians, on the first day the Hizballah started firing rockets. It’s the Hizballah that is responding to Israeli shelling and missiles, not the other way around.
You may claim that Hizballah’s military action against the IDF preceding all this mess was unprovoked (technically that would be true, though this would be missing the whole picture), but ISRAEL WAS CLEARLY THE FIRST TO TARGET CIVILIANS IN THIS CONFLICT.
Please stay true to the facts!
Sabbah, this is how democracy is spread. Listen what Prime Minister of Israel told to leaders in middle east. That they will end up like saddam hussein.
Sabbah, it is much safer and people respect the law in middle east unlike in america or israel,britain or switzerland. Where the laws are different for different people. One who holds the gun is the sheriff in those cow boy land. That is the language they speak and do.
Arab league should enforce laws that should restrict any access to israel land, water or through see. We should impose sanctions against israel. Arab league should block all the ships heading toward israeli water anywhere in the world. they need to pass throug our waters.
Peace process is dead – Arab league. Also, No country in this world nor its citizens acknowledge United Nations. Why don’t we initiate a poll if people acknowledge the United Nations as an impartial and unbiased organization. Aiyn has triggered a very thoughtful and very important subject which needs to be discussed.
Also we should also initiate a movement around the globe to either ratify United Nations or just pull it down. I hope you are listen Kofi Annan. Are u a puppet of Bush and Blair and the holy queen or do u represent the international community. Are you are just a mere toothless tiger or dummy.
An illegal war in iraq but still america, britain and the holy queen are not accountable. By the way people do u know that queen is the head of the state and people of iraq can sue her for the war. or you can justify any reaction against her directly.
You are being manipulated! Please have a carefull look at the writting (in plain English on those missiles). To whom are those greeting addressed? Lebanese children? No, To Nasrallah!
All it shows is that those girls, in Kiriat-Shmone, who are being bombarded by Hezbollah hate Nasrallah, as your kids may have hated Sharon, etc! Wanting Nasrallah (their war enemy) dead is not the same as wanting Lebanese children to die. You may be surprised, but there is no joy (but only sadness) in Israel, when we see children and civilians killed by Israeli missiles. This is because, although we know that our missiles may hurt civilians, we do not INTEND this and we HOPE that they will only hurt the Hezbollah fighters who are our opponents in this war. I do not think you ever saw Israeli children showing joy at the view of such pictures, as unfortunately, we saw Palestinian childreen expressing joy after carnage on Israeli busses or after Sep-11.
So why Mr Sabbah do you create this montage? why manipulate the emotions of people?
I hope, you will find these words constructive, and will publish them..
Iris
For John: when the palastinean teenagers watch themselves being killed & orphaned,& thier families & neighbors being slaughtered while the WHOLE WIDE WORLD is watching, justifying & covering thier massacres, then i guess taking some of ur murderers with U would make a bit of sense, dont u think!
As 4 miri: The United States government & the Israeli government, eliminated words like FAIR, JUSTICE, REASON & ” How could this Be” from mankind’s dictionary.
U said there is nothing wrong in writing messages on missiles for the ones who started it , i am with u , but should it be done by kids, shouldnt those kids be as far as possible from such military sites , like playin games and stuff!
Their parents & soldiers may tell them its addressed for Hizbolla or enemies, but they r only targeting kids, infants, women and innocent ppl, DESPITE ALL THE TECHNOLOGICAL PRECISION & ACCURACY THEY HAVE!!!
Plz i hope that everybody forget thier belongingness & thier wrongfully preplanted thoughts, and lets all act like we R aliens who have just arrived from Mars and we r watchin whats goin on by our own eyes and not by some truth-concealing media, and then i am sure our judgement will B more than fair & satisfying for the human conscience & dignity.
Israel has never ever done anything wrong to anybody. They are poor peaceful people who would never ever torture anybody, occupy 3.5 million people, round up tens of thousands of people and throw them into jails without charges or trials, lock up kids and women, kill civillians or anything like that.
Israel is the victim here. They were just minding their business when all of a sudden, out of nowhere, without any reason or justification KIDNAPPED THREE SOLDIERS!!!!!.
How else can israel respond to that except by raping a county, killing hundreds of civillians and destroying the lives of hundreds of thousands of people. After all the mean and evil a-rabs KIDNAPPED THREE SOLDIERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh my god, all arabs need to die for that evil crime. KIDNAPPING THREE SOLDIERS!!!!!!!!!
These are not messages for Arab kids, these are messages to Hizbollah rocket launchers which these guns are targetting. Hizbollah fired over 2000 rockets last week at those Israeli kids.
If you think you would be more noble than these kids after living in a bomb shelter for 7 days while Nassrallah keeps appearing on TV promising to kill you, you have no clue what you’re talking about.
I hope every one still believes in PEACE will see those photos to have an idea about the upcoming israeli generation…
Please Ahmad allow me to use ur post in my blog.
Kiryat Shmona is one of the most intensively bombarded places in the Middle East, since 1978 when Fateh first began sending Katyushas over the border. Not only these children will grow up under fire, but their parents as well, grew up spending significant time in bomb shelters, subject to a bombardment that in ’78, ’82-’83 rivalled any bombardment in Gaza or Lebanon. The false quiet of 2000-6, in which the only civilians killed were Israelis dead at the hands of Lebanese, is now over…and a message to Nasrallah is appropriate. However, bringing kids into the proximity of high explosive, no matter how stable, is not, especially since the shells in the photograph are already fused (apparently) and are therefore “live.”
The best is that it seems that we only pay attencion when Palestininas or lebanesse, in this case Move. What about the weeks before when Israel was bombing the beaches of Gaza? Ah, maybe palestinans are born to dye and as i saw in a soldier helmet in Israel, they have born to kill. Soory for the kids, the ones that learn the hate on their daily life because there is nothing else but destruction allaround, and the ones that are teached on their own families to make destruction all around.
Solidarity with the civilian population suffering.
Haitham, They are sending UN peace keepers itseems, WOuld it be like the Serebrenica Massacre of Palestinian and Lebaneese. The ethnic cleansing would be under the blessings of UNited Nations now.
Why is the arab leagues keeping quiet. Arab League should deploy its forces now for ground offensive
To Iris and others – as remarked above, the messages may be addressed to Nasrallah, but the missiles are addressed to the children.
But what astonishes me in your response (well, not really. I live in Israel myself, and know well enough what kind of attitudes prevail here) is that you think it is fine and well to have little girls go to an army base and write messages on missiles. You think there’s nothing wrong with having elementary school kids write those messages to Nasrallah on a missile, a real one, as part of some State-run activity.
What kind of educatoin is that?!
Why Does Everyone think that wut they hear on the news from the Israeli or any of the west is true u think that this has all started because of 2 kidnapped soldiers unprovoked.Israel is the only country in the world that does political assassination and nobody says anythang they have bin doin opperations in sercret in lebanon for decades.when a israel does somthan the are defendin them selfs but when an arab does it there a terrorist Wake Up people.
I like to go by the philosophy that the default human is not arab or america or france, but they aren’t of any nationality. We are all, at the root of it all, human. We should all have feelings of empathy for other humans, because we are all the same. a lebenese is an israeli at the root of it. But the world isn’t perfect, and we have wronged each other.
people have grown up in wars, have lost their best friend to a bus bombing, and have to sleep in bomb shelters.
people have been kicked off their family’s land, have grown up in poverty, have had have their dignity revoked and lost their cousins to shrapnel from a missile,
they have all suffered.
OK now I get it. When the Palestinians train their kids to wear suicide belts you’re quiet. Now all of sudden you love kids. Gimme a break!
hey haitham :,…. i just want to say that u must give us more pics and show them here to make the world knews how israel teach the kids how to hate arab and islam with the same side ,
and i want to say (allah) will give end but when the pple move something else ,.. so haitham god save u and i like this site so much cuz u make the world see what is israel means
Tahrir,
Maybe you are visiting my blog for the first time, this why you think it’s only now I move. Well my friend, if you scroll my blog a little bit more you will see that 90% of it is dedicated to Palestine (my origin), and you can visit archive and see more and more about Palestine and Palestinians.
I am realy shocked and words aren’t coming out… I can’t imagine how a child can be soo mean… but this attitude isn’t new for israely ppl or there children… I haven’t read all thats writen but i agree with abu essam… hope that it explodes in there face!!!
Khaled Nazzal,
My name is Haitham, not Ahmad :-)
Please feel free to use whatever you like from my blog, with a small link to my blog, would be great :)
I wonder, Sabbah, why you chose to delete my reply. Could it be because I mention the messages says “to Nassrallah [Hizballah leader] with love” rather than “to Arab/Muslim/Christian Kids” as you put it?
This reply is for Israeli…
I am sorry u feel that way.. but at least ur kids have found shelter when Hizbullah promised to kill them or even fired at them..
but our kids (lebaneese and palestinian) have no where to go and even if a shelter was found thanks for the israellian they’ll bomb it anyway as was done in Qana 1996 or should i say more…
Israeli,
No one denies the fact that civilians are hit at both sides, and I’m not going to argue what numbers are dying on this or that side. War is no good for anyone… but the message here is simple.
Occupation is the root of evil in this part of the world. So, just a small reminder: “Get the hell out of my homeland and live in peace.”
As an Israeli I can read the hebrew text.
One line says’ “Iv’e been waiting for this a long time”, and the name “Nasrallah” appears. The shell was definitely dedicated to Nasrallah, and not to his neighbour’s children.
Unfortunaltely, Nasrallah runs his campaign against the civilian population of Israel established and internationally recognized cities, from Lebanon, A country with which the border is recognized, form a bunker in a densely populated area.
Combining the 2 pictures is obviously false propaganda.
Condolences to everyone living in Lebanon, Gaza Strip, or anywhere else, who suffer the consequences of terrorist actions done by his neighbor
To the Dear American People:
I want to tell u a story, & try to imagine it with me!
It was a sunny morning,in a small village on God’s beautiful planet,Earth. Kids were playin joyfully on the green grass,enjoying the warmth of the sun, it seemed like it would be a wonderful day, until they heard their parents calls; to get ready to move. It was an evacuation order by a marching army calling on the small population of that village to leave their houses & everything behind, for an invasion was coming!
The children were gathered, and up onto a pick-up truck, it seemed like a safe way to transport, for the truck was with no roof so everybody would see that it was transporting kids & nothing but kids. Their identity, their blossoming age & their small soft bodies & lovely looks were their only weapon of defense. Can u see them…. CAN U SEE THAT TRUCK.. driving on the village way , loaded with kids trying to find a safe house of anykind to provide them the proper shelter they deserve.
Suddenly , they reach a United Nations house,a center founded to help the ones in need, and provide them with the minimum level of safety & shelter to sustain their survival. Signs of relief & joy drew on their faces & the driver relaxed thinking that his dangerous trip has come to an end by finding a safe haven to foster those kids even for a short length of time, but to his surprise, he realized that his & those children’s ordeal; was far from over. The UN troops in that building refused to receive the innocent angels, and a UN soldier waves his gun & orders the driver to leave with the kids,as if he smelled the scent of death in those roses. It seemed that he knew the lurking enemy more than anyone.
The driver turns on the pick up truck and moves away feeling turned down, desperate & afraid , yet he didnt give up knowing that all what he was carrying were human juveniles & that the darkest frowning face would smile upon seeing a five year old boy or a nine year old girl.
He drove tryin to reach the nearest village, cheered up by the childrens singing in the back and their innocent laughs who would leap into one’s heart upon hearing them. And suddenly the sound of an air raid rang out in the sky, his heart started pounding rapidly… but not for long, two missiles launched from the F-16 up, BOOOOOMMMM , hit right into the truck erasing not only any sign of life, but the laughters & smiles of innocent kids who never knew what hit them.
Can U see them… burnt out pieces of flesh scattered here and there,limbs & faces covered with their own Ashes, a tiny melting hand holding a Barbie doll & laughs filling the air one minute ago.
I want u to imagine those “X-kids”, can u see them, degrading by the burning effect of fire & explosives, transforming into black skeletons with nothing but hair & their pure souls rising up to the Lord.
Now imagine they R americans.
I want each & everyone of u to imagine them as his & her kids, AND ACT UPON THAT!
GOD PRESERVE ALL THE KIDS OF THE WORLD,YOURS & OURS.
I’m Sorry Haitham! I know your name well… but at the time of writing the comment I was reading an email from my friend Ahmad Sabbah, so I guess it was so much for my brain :P
The link is in the post, thank you.
I am neither Jewish nor an Arab. I’m an American so I guess many will think I side with Israel and against Arabs, but that’s not necessarily true. I have some Jewish friends, and Arab friends as well.
I’d like to float a proposal that I have absolutely no power to make happen. But sometimes good ideas don’t necessarily come from the people in charge, so here goes.
1. Israel relocates to a piece of land of the same size and general landscape in the United States. Perhaps part of Florida or California, on the water, just as their country is now. They would have total independence, much like the Indian Reservations that exist today in the US.
2. The present land that Israel would vacate would be turned over to the group of Arab states that currently border Israel to divide it as they wish.
3. In order to appease all parties, before the land was turned over, and after all Isaelis had vacated the land, the entire piece of land would be demolished. Everything would be destroyed, temples, walls (holy, wailing and otherwise), mosques, churches, and every single structure of any religious significance whatsoever.
4. All parties – every Arab state, Israel and the US – and perhaps all other parties with any interest in this matter (including Al Queida) would sign a non-agression pact for eternity.
5. In their new homes (Israel’s in North America) and all Arab-designees in the former Israel, each could then build whatever monuments, holy sites or other structures they wished, worship to their heart’s desire at those holy sites, and form any government and infrastructure they wish – all in peace.
Since the US is an ally of Israel, it would be their role to find the land for Israel to relocate – at no cost to Israel. Relocation costs would be at Israel’s expense. All parties would equally share the cost of demolishing the old Israeli site.
That’s the idea. It’s probably impossible, but I think it could make everyone happy.
“If your comment is a personal attack against me or (an)other commenter(s); if it contains racist terms; if it is worded so as to create an unpleasant controversy; if it is hateful, scurrilous or negativ; comment(s) will be deleted and commenter(s) will most probably be banned!”
I’m very confused. It appears to me that you violate your own rules by posting this creation in your blog. You create a message and then later say it is imaginary. If you are not fanning the flames of hatred then please explain your purpose?
I’m sure you won’t post this but I feel better for sending it.
do u also have pictures with dead children in new york killed by arab terrorist???????!!!!!!
For all the hater comments, thanks, and welcome. You are just showing your metal, nothing new. Stay around and I’ll try to treat you better.
PS. No comment was deleted (including haters) at this particular post except those used slang words.
jews are so damn messed up. how can a parent allow their child to sign such things against other children. jews are so messed up in their minds in everything. they are lost. but you kno wat? WHAT COMES AROUND GOES AROUND. God has a special place for the arabs and they will definatly be in my prayers!
Every dead Child is one TERORIST LESS , YOU ARE KILLING MY TERRORISTS STOP!!!!
The current aggression did not begin with Hezbollah kidnapping 2 Israeli soldiers; it was just the final straw, or a good excuse, for Israel. But nobody’s mentioning anything bad that happened before that incident (on both sides; 9,000 Hezbollah or Lebanese are being held by Israel right now; I’ve heard the kidnappings were Hezbollah trying to gain some negotiating leverage). They are punishing Lebanon, and many innocent civilians, for not cracking down on Hezbollah. But Israel is powerful enough to attack Hezbollah directly without punishing Lebanon as a whole, without wiping out their infrastructure.
As for Silvia, who says “do u also have pictures with dead children in new york killed by arab terrorist???????!!!!!!” Well, I’m not sure the person in charge does. But I’m sure they are available, along with pictures of the innocents that Americans have killed all over the world for hundreds of years (can anyone say Native Americans?), most recently including SOME 40,000 IRAQI CIVILIANS.
murder is always wrong. it is just more painfully apparent when it breeds this kind of hatred along with it.
Appalled.
Slidehsow of pictures: “”
Hey Joe Rufo,
What a novel idea you’ve come up with. Just imagine, the Arabs as you call them (I prefer Palestinians because this is exactly what your ruckus is all about) would get their land back with no mosques or churches left. Presumably, they all have agreed to this so so far so good. Then we have the case of all the Israelis needing to be relocated to some “coastal site” comparable to what they left behind. The US government is given the task of finding just the right location. Since this is your idea as an American and it is America driving this massive relocation and giving back of demolished holy sites, I feel it is only fair that Americans need to pay some kind of sacrifice of their own. I suggest that the sacrifice would be based on a plan similar to this http://www.alnakba.org/. Then all really is fair and equitable is it not. I don’t know why nobody hasn’t come up with this idea before. What do ya’ think?
well, now we see exactly why people tend to hate the israelis. the events of the past few DECADES is more than enough info; the squatting israelis are leading the way to their own certain destruction. well, the bright side of that thought is that when, not if, someone nukes them, we will not have to put up with them anymore and the jews own prophecies will become self-fulfilled. perhaps then the jews will understand exactly what they have been chosen for: persecution. these people have been chosen by god himself for persecution and they are sick of it. they believe that they are untouchable, opposite of being persecuted. they have reversed their own beliefs to fit their own selfish desires. so they’re greedy, smug, condescending, hateful and just plain mean. now they’re spreading their ‘religion’ elsewhere, like annoying birds shitting everywhere.
i’m cheering for the palestinians, the lebanese, the iranians, the syrians… the entire middle east. israel can go to hell (oh, wait; they’re already there…).
WOW… Israel is really crazy. It should’t be ever created.
I go with Joe Rufo’s suggestion. Moving Israel to a land among the vast United States its ally would RADICALLY SOLVE THE PROBLEM and i assure u it will put an end to all violence in the region. Arabs will live happily with no wars , and Israel will live in peace too far from its enemies. I wish that all of them approve on this idea if they really want to end violence.
A short reply for Silvia: We all mourn kids & innocent wherever they were and to whom ever they belonged to. NY kids are as dear as our kids to us.
The unfairness & tyranny excuted by Israel & the United States towards any nation would result in the emerging of desperate ppl who would try to let out some of the supression they r suffering cuz they have no armies or ways to defend themselves, all they can do is watch their countries being occupied and citizens being killed. Some will try to do something about it and it certainly wont B good. United States created ppl like Bin laden & Zarqawi which i am sure they will both burn in hell along with Bush & Rice cuz they are as guilty as they R, they gave me ” reason” and they made them lose their heads , cuz not all ppl can take it or tolerate what the average man can tolerate, some ppl lose it and start thinking wrongfully & with perversion. But there is ALSO no excuse for the terrorism exercised by countries , cuz they shud know better , and they r not some straying person but cuz they r supposed to B civilized and they represent a whole nation.
Anyways , a lot can B said , but i hope that in the End GOOD prevails.
The message says: “To Nassarala, from Israel with Love” and no To Arab or Libanese kids.
All you are sick!!!!!!
The two israeli soldiers were made prisonners by Hezbollah resistance fighters ON the Lebanese territory where their sqad penetrated (what they regularly do). And in Israel there are dozens of Lebanese people still in jail (not counting the more than 1000 Palestinians). So the Lebanese have the entire right according to international law to defend their territory and they have the right to make prisonners of war.
When I see these pictures of children, I just remind myself about the German children who were also “taught” about Slavic or Jewish “terrorists” that need to be killed, like in the Warsaw ghetto.
This proves all human beings are equal, in good and bad. The Jews are not worst (as Nazis thought) and not better (as the Palestinians, Lebanese, Syrians, and now Iraqis know). These children are not responsible but their parents will go to hell for that.
Talk about teaching hate. And these people talk about pluralism and world peace.
Sad that kids, being innocent and all, are shown in this way. Just because these pictures are of Israeli girls, I’m sure there are plenty of other examples of ADULTS teaching their own CHILDREN hate towards another group of people…hear me Palestine, I’ve seen the documentries, you’re no angel either when it comes to teaching your children love and respect for all human beings…
I am so tired of all this – how long will it take all of these people to realize how stupid and immature they look to the rest of the world? I am bored beyond caring anymore for this situation and it’s so sad that, even now, in the 21st century, we’re still dealing with this kind of stupidity.
According to http://www.geohive.com, Israel’s population is estimated at 6.35 million on July 1, 2006. Using the same website, the occupied Palestinian territory has about 3.89 million. Together, they have roughly 10.24 million people in these 2 countries – or, to put it another way, these 2 countries have less people than Moscow, the 20th largest city in the world. Even worse, using the same website, http://www.geohive.com, the Earth’s total human population was estimated to be 6.53 BILLION on July 1, 2006. This means that so much news, so much drama, so much BULLSHIT is put into our daily lives from this “situation” for .00157% of the total population on this planet – what a joke. There is so much more all the people of this region could be doing to contribute to the world – instead, we get to watch their hate and propaganda (FROM BOTH SIDES) day in and day out, every single day, on TV, in print, and now on hundreds of websites like this – I’m sick and tired of it, grow up, quit being barbarians, and try to join civilization in the 21st century already.
Maybe quit teaching your kids hate (EVERYWHERE), start practicing being respectful towards others – even if they’re not the same religion as you – and start working towards a goal of living in peace – TOGETHER. This goes to all the people of this region. Being fed up with your drama bullshit is an understatement – do something positive with your lives and don’t be remembered, more so than you already are, for being evil and full of hate – all because of religion and not being able to agree on property…
Well Silvia, It’s not always about “America” is it. What about the children that were killed in the Rowanda genocide? The Bosnian genocide? The Chechenian ‘non-proclaimed’ genocide? in Sudan? In Afghanistan? In IRAQ? In Pakistan? And of COURSE what about the children killed in Palestine? in Lebanon?
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What about all those children that have lost their lives, or are still loosing their lives because of the American support in each of these wars???
Correction, perhaps not “supported”, sinnce there was no official war in some countries I stated, but clearly they had the power to stop these agressions! They didn’t, or for some it was far too late.
whether hizbolla or israelis, both are murderers. i am proud to be lebanese, but know that not all lebanese support hizbolla, however, lebanon and israel have been in war for as long as i can remember, and the world knows that israel is more powerful than hiszbolla, but does that justify its actions in lebanon, i say NO, does that justify the killing of hundreds of innocent people and children, i say NO.
as for those who think lebanon deserves this, well think again, no one in their sain mind would approve of this, what israel is doing is barbaric, they wanted to show who is the strongest, well we all know who is, it’s not a matter of who’s strong and who’s not.
imagine someone trying to take your country, WHAT WOULD YOU DO IN THEIR PLACE, just sit and watch? look what israel is doing just because hizbolla captured 2 soldiers, wouldnt hizbolla want to do the same to free all the captives in israel.
have an open mind, and stop kidding yourselves, and most of all, stop having the FOLIE DES GRANDEURS, cos they’re nothing grandiose about israel
to check more about what israel is doing please visit http://www.fromisraeltolebanon.
Silvia and all other americans or allies of the americans. Perhaps you people only listen or are used to the words of steel. In your lands, one who holds the gun becomes the sheriff or the one who dictates the law. Isn’t it true. What would you do when some body holds the gun against your children? Israeli’s are holding missiles and nuclear war heads on our children. So we are just merely reacting. O by the way, british or american, in your land the bigger the gun you have the longer the title such as “LORD” or “SIR”.
You fought for your independence isn’t it. Fought from the British isn’t it.The German’s they would say that foreignors are not allowed to stay, French also they say that if you are foreignor you do not have the right to stay or hold position. So are the italians. The Swiss they wouldnt allow any foreignor to stay in their lands. Why is that you fought war against HITLER for occupying your lands.
All the palestinians are fighting for their land. Your leader’s say ” we need to create conditions so that the arabs come to the negotiation table. Mr. Blair and Mr.Bush were caught on tape. So be it Mr.Blair we are prepared for it, you are acting god. You want to nuke our children our lands with nuclear weapons. We shall embrace it. O by the way Queen, we shall send you some blood of our children for the holy grail and the mass. What would you like to eat children or would you like human parts of people from IRAQ to look much younger.
Robin (Post 133):
I’m not sure how to take your last few sentences. But I think you’re missing the fact that America is giving up alot of land to make this happen. Relocating Americans, infrastructure, etc in order to provide an equal space for Israel to relocate. I think that, plus an equal share of the cost to clear the land the Israeli’s leave should be ample contribution.
And don’t forget, although Mosques and Churches would be leveled, so would Synagogues, the Wailing wall – everything. Call it a new era – the year 0 – where everyone can start fresh in peace.
Would God or Allah really want a piece of rock or a slice of dirt to be the reason why people kill each other?
With Mr. Bush asking condi to make a trip to middle east to sort things out. There are quite a lot of negotiations being carried out across the table with egyptian minister’s visit in USA. Situation Analysis is that condi is trying to buy the situation out by involving egyptian negotiators in place. Which would help her as a leaveraging arm. Consider the other angle with french moving in for a negotiation and european foreign affairs minister try to do some damage control. There is little hope from both sides that they do not have any remote control or slightest idea to control hamas and hezbollah. One tactical outcome would be to create situation by involving syria into a military conflict. In washington, this idea is sending chil down the spine of Mr. Bush and Blair. A mess in IRAQ and Mr. Bush wishes to control things. Hezbollah has tactical, strategic and military advantage of its warfare. An alliance with Al-qaeda would make it extremely powerful and there is speculation with in MI5 circles and CIA that with these organization collaborating the situation would explode that it would send ripples in their lands.
It is indeed a very strategic and tactical move by the arabs declaring that Mideast peace process is “dead”. American and international community now will search of a means through the united nations. The same united nations, where in the proposal of qatar was vetoed by the americans and syrian ministers are blocked from free speech. This is an unwelcoming message and hostile act of war against all the middle east nations. With worseneing relations with pakistan and taliban fighting back and capturing 2 towns. The media is downplaying an already scribed defeat. Arab nations and their allies should stand by the strategies, involve in naval blockade based on Arab League and reaction to the veto of resolution against israeli aggression against its territories. More wore by internation conventions and international law, syria is on a tactical advantage of provacative and threat to its national security by flying a military jet f16 just over the Syrian Presidential Palace. Consider a similar scenario, if this happened with Northkoreans flying a jet over White house or Japanese counter parts. It would account to breach to security of state and war is declared over night. According to international law, any act unprovoked by any state, a nation can react as self defense. Thats what syrians should be ready and prepared to do. The americans and british have alot of stakes to loose. This is the oppurtunity arabs should cash in on. We have seen pearl harbours created. Let me repeat the words of the director Mr. TOny Blair ” we need to create conditions …. “. What are we waiting for, we have got the motive and act of self defense and territorial integrity of a nation called lebanon, syria, iran and greater middle east, Pakistan under threat (no territorial integrity is gauranteed Mr. Pervez Musharaff, i hope you will not enter the history books as a fool who believed blindly the americans, your are certainly on your way out there ).
The Arab league should manauver should emphasize it and should project it as an international power, by drafting resolutions to block shipment of military, economic and food aid to israel through land, air, water. So, should we mobilise non-coperating nations such as jordan and egypt to comply with the resolutions and directives for the interest of preserving territorial integrity and safegaurding its interests. This would certainly give enough time to iran to boot the europeans a bit. With Mr.Blair and Bush busy with conditions dealing with alqaeda, hamas and hezbollah should have tactical advantage on two fronts. Middle-east nations should keep their military personnel on extreme high alert ready to strike the enemy quick and fast simultaneously, U.S bases in iraq and israeli military installations all over. Do not forget tajikistan U.S base.
Mr.Blair has in the mean time mobilised some of his key personnel to dubai and to iraq for intelligence gathering about iran and syria. Before condi could get into iraq there shall be a situation breif up to her so that she could play the cards properly.
Shall keep you posted on the situation analyis.
With Mr. Bush asking condi to make a trip to middle east to sort things out. There are quite a lot of negotiations being carried out across the table with egyptian minister’s visit in USA. Situation Analysis is that condi is trying to buy the situation out by involving egyptian negotiators in place. Which would help her as a leaveraging arm. Consider the other angle with french moving in for a negotiation and european foreign affairs minister try to do some damage control. There is little hope from both sides that they do not have any remote control or slightest idea to control hamas and hezbollah. One tactical outcome would be to create situation by involving syria into a military conflict. In washington, this idea is sending chil down the spine of Mr. Bush and Blair. A mess in IRAQ and Mr. Bush wishes to control things. Hezbollah has tactical, strategic and military advantage of its warfare. An alliance with Al-qaeda would make it extremely powerful and there is speculation with in MI5 circles and CIA that with these organization collaborating the situation would explode that it would send ripples in their lands.
It is indeed a very strategic and tactical move by the arabs declaring that Mideast peace process is “dead”. American and international community now will search of a means through the united nations. The same united nations, where in the proposal of qatar was vetoed by the americans and syrian ministers are blocked from free speech. This is an unwelcoming message and hostile act of war against all the middle east nations. With worseneing relations with pakistan and taliban fighting back and capturing 2 towns. The media is downplaying an already scribed defeat. Arab nations and their allies should stand by the strategies, involve in naval blockade based on Arab League and reaction to the veto of resolution against israeli aggression against its territories. More wore by internation conventions and international law, syria is on a tactical advantage of provacative and threat to its national security by flying a military jet f16 just over the Syrian Presidential Palace. Consider a similar scenario, if this happened with Northkoreans flying a jet over White house or Japanese counter parts. It would account to breach to security of state and war is declared over night. According to international law, any act unprovoked by any state, a nation can react as self defense. Thats what syrians should be ready and prepared to do. The americans and british have alot of stakes to loose. This is the oppurtunity arabs should cash in on. We have seen pearl harbours created. Let me repeat the words of the director Mr. TOny Blair ” we need to create conditions …. “. What are we waiting for, we have got the motive and act of self defense and territorial integrity of a nation called lebanon, syria, iran and greater middle east, Pakistan under threat (no territorial integrity is gauranteed Mr. Pervez Musharaff, i hope you will not enter the history books as a fool who believed blindly the americans, your are certainly on your way out there ).
The Arab league should manauver should emphasize it and should project it as an international power, by drafting resolutions to block shipment of military, economic and food aid to israel through land, air, water. So, should we mobilise non-coperating nations such as jordan and egypt to comply with the resolutions and directives for the interest of preserving territorial integrity and safegaurding its interests. This would certainly give enough time to iran to boot the europeans a bit. With Mr.Blair and Bush busy with conditions dealing with alqaeda, hamas and hezbollah should have tactical advantage on two fronts. Middle-east nations should keep their military personnel on extreme high alert ready to strike the enemy quick and fast simultaneously, U.S bases in iraq and israeli military installations all over. Do not forget tajikistan U.S base.
Mr.Blair has in the mean time mobilised some of his key personnel to dubai and to iraq for intelligence gathering about iran and syria. Before condi could get into iraq there shall be a situation breif up to her so that she could play the cards properly.
Shall keep you posted on the situation analyis.
In response to maori:
I am British, and have lived in this country all my life. I have never lived in fear of a rocket falling from the sky, or of the morning not arriving. I live a relatively easy life, without persecution and generally without fear. I can never appreciate what it must be like to hear the screams of artillery, to see homes demolished and friends and neighbours killed.
Please understand though, the fight should never be against the British or Americans in the same way it should never be against the Lebanese or the Palestinians or the Iraqis or any other nationality. In the same way that not every Lebanese wants rockets fired into Haifa, not every British person supports Israeli actions. Not every American person wants US troops in Iraq. Attacking an entire people will never yield any good, but only produce more barriers and borders, and distracts from the issue, which is that rockets are flying across the border in both directions killing children and women and men and mothers and fathers and sons and daugters.
There is propaganda on every side. There are lies and liars who broadcast them from the safety of a London office, or a concrete bunker. There are those who want nothing more than all out war, the final settlement of all sums due.
The only way to fight this is to stop and realise that every rocket fired is one more step into the long good-night. The only way to fight it is through education and understanding. I have only found this site today, and it is the first site I have found that does not have the western perspective. I come to discuss, to find out, so that I can understand what I can do to help.
After the bombings in London last year I thought maybe there could be some good. That for a small moment the people of my country would understand the devastation that daily touches the lives of those who live in the middle east. It was not to be. The propaganda machine that runs throughout my small island turned it again into an excuse for more nuclear weapons, for more troops, for more hatred. Everyday those of us who understand a small part of the situation attempt to discuss and paint the full picture. To move people past the idea that everyone in the middle east wants to strap a bomb to themselves and kill white wealthy westerners.
You made the point that the person with the largest Gun can do what they like in our society. If you replace the word Gun for Money then that is very close to the truth. But this will change, or I will spend my life screaming in the streets, throigh letterboxes and doorways for people to wake up. Please help us though, I learn nothing from attacks and insults on my nationality (though I understand the reasons), but I learn through your words, through the truth that you can pass on through all these miles to a friend in the west.
It’s a disturbing image, but the original Anglospheric practice of defamatory messages about the “others” on projectiles goes back a very long way. The most recent manifestations have been racial slurs chalked onto the bombs of departing U.S. strike craft in Afghanistan and Iraq. It’s a way for citizens and support-role soldiers to “claim a moral piece of the kill”. It’s the exact same social gesture as beating the corpse of a lynched negro, collecting the ears of a dead infantryman or starting a street party after the murder of “enemy” civilians. In short, it is a crude expression of hate-motivated vengeance performed with the blessing of the immediate community. The capacity for institutional evil isn’t peculiar to Weimar-era Germans. It exists in all of us.
The soldiers or parents who put the girls up to this need to think about the black mark they’ve left on these kids’ souls.
i cant beleive kids even israelian kids coz i think they have sence same as us ca do WHAT THEY ARE DOING!!!!
there is nothing I like to see more than jews and muslims killing each other. will be easier for us later.
Joe #164
You are asking the wrong question. Instead of asking God or Allah you should be asking Yahweh what he would want
http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Palestine-Remembered/Story452.html
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/
http://www.nkusa.org/
http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/differencejudzion.html
Besides that, how on earth are you going to change the minds of all the parties? It is one group, no matter where you place them on this earth, who will always feel they are superior to all others. As for my last suggestion in the above post of how we as Americans should suffer in your relocation plan, I suggest that those Americans who must be relocated to accomodate the influx of people who have somehow been drugged into thinking New Jersey and a few more miles down the coast and inland are REALLY the land God promised them, I offer the actual equal for equal method in which the Palestinians were displaced in order to accomodate the Zionists’ last major relocation plot http://www.alnakba.org/ You see Joe, we here in the US have NO CLUE the hatred spewed at the Palestinians by the Zionists from DAY ONE. This picture above is absolutely not surprising to me at all. These children are being told a lie, that these missiles are aimed only at Nasrallah, but actually, if a few miss and kill innocent civilians, that’s ok too because Arabs are but “mere donkeys of men” who are the lowest of the low. You wonder why your plan is but a mere pipe dream, go ask any Zionist and he will tell you why. It is really nice of you to offer up a piece of one of America’s coastal communities though. What law are you going to use to get those people to move? Emminant Domain? Let’s just see how many Americans would fathom for a minute to put themselves in that place.
In solidarity with Palestine and the peoples of Lebanon.
Joe Rufo, I find it hard to believe that America would actually give it’s own peace of land to make such a thing as “peace” in the middle east possible. If they are dessperately trying to get rid of immigrants (fellow Mexicans), then how can they accept a whole country to live within? That would be double the Immigrants they would like to kick out?
…Just wondering!
If anyone wants the truth and not just emotionally hyped propaganda about these photos, I recommend clicking this link to Sanmonkey’s blog.
What an amusing link you shared Philp,and what an explanation given by who? A zionist supporter?
A quote from the site:
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“My other blog
Support the Neo-con American Right-wing Zionist Christian Imperialist Conspiracy in the Middle-east!”
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a monkey indeed!
Hold it people, how Israel was created by terrorists from the Stern and Hagana gangs, they terrorized the entire region…now this terror organization is the democratic state of Israel. think about.it. It is hard to believe that the Arabs made mistake after mistake since 1948…Israel is pure and honest to the world and depict the arabs as blood thirsty…Hizballah and Hamas are doing the same but on their land….that is resistance. No man will accept occupation,Europe fought Hitler, Algeria fought the Fench, India fought the British… and we are fighting in the same manner.
Its interesting how people have read their own world view into their interpretations of the photo. The text is quite clear – the writing is directed as Nasrallah and Hezbollah, not children, Still, if you are consumed with hate and teach your own children to hate, its easy to imagine it otherwise.
What is amazing is that Hezbollah has hijacked an entire country (Lebanon) – its more fantastic (and macabre) than even a James Bond film! Who would have believed that a foreign private army could have built up such an arsenal. By deliberately embedding 12,000 (according to Nasrallah) missiles amongst a civilian population Hezbollah holds them as hostages. The goal (as in Gaza) appears to be to provoke an attack by Isreal and radicalize the population.
As a Canadian I grieve for the recent deaths of Canadian citizens in this conflict, but I’ve read that Nasrallah claims that their house was bombed due to “false intelligence” -how could he have known that unless his people supplied the information – which makes him responsible.
To be blunt – while I feel sorry for the Palestinean people but they’ve been victimized by their leadership far more than by the Israelis. They should stop spending their money on missiles and spend it instead on building a viable civilian infrastructure. The intifadeh has been a miserable failure – its time for a change.
Oh don’t act so shocked and disgusted by this. I don’t see people horrified when some Palestinian suicide bomber blows himself and 20 civilians up on a bus or in front of a restaurant. Gimme a break. At least the Israelis are targeting the military wheras the Palestinians are solely targeting civilians.
We in here in the west hear about how Iran supplies Hezbollah with missles.
What about how the US supplies the Israelis with tanks, jets, missles, and everything else?
The Gaza has been occupied for 40 years and Israel doesn’t care. They steal lands for their settlements.
Israel will be a larger country because they steal lands from the Palestinians.
Muslimah,
He is an Egyptian Arab (and Muslim). His statement is “snarky,” i.e. smart-assed and cynical! He just doesn’t find it necessary to follow the herd, so to speak. The description if his other blog and of himself is sarcastic and intended to ruffle the feathers of detractors. In his blog he criticized the “decorating” of the artillery. But in the interest of accuracy, he contacted someone who would be able to verify the reliability of the photos. This being done, he found that they were egged on by some of the TWELVE photographers there to write a little message to Nasrallah (as opposed to the children of Lebanon, which is not only the words, but the intention, hint hint).
Besides, it is common practice to write a message to the “bad guy” on artillery. Big flippin’ deal. And Nasrallah is a bad guy, like it or not. Love or hate Israel, he is a monster. My only issue is that children should not have had access to that weaponry. An Israeli on Sandmonkey’s blog pointed out that whoever was in charge of that post will likely be in deep doo-doo.
Images by photojournalists can be manipulated to serve all kinds of purposes. “A picture is worth 1000 words.” The problem is, those words are very much open to (mis)interpretation. Those words can be written to mean many different things, depending on who is using the photo. Frankly, the meaning in the photo is irrelevant based on 3 things:
1) It was more or less staged.
2) What side of the conflict you are on may easily dictate your feelings about the message.
3) The photo can be extrapolated to mean something that it never could logically mean, as in the quote below:
Photos are not reality, but tools to paint the artist’s ideas. And like all art, they are subject to many interpretations, mostly erroneous ones.
let’s remove Israel from the map of the world. There’ll be no country names with Israel again.
how Israel was created by terrorists from child and their generations. it’s true babaric country must be deleted form world map. so our world become in peace
Those photos should all make the front pages of the NY Times, they are powerful and profoundly disturbing. This is a letter I wrote to the editor of the SF chronicle.
Editor,
I am writing in response to Mr Weiner’s published letter regarding the war
in the middle east, in particular, his statement that “unlike the Israeli
air force’s efforts, no early-warning pamphlets drop from the sky to tell
Israeli civilians to protect themselves”. Such statements lead us to believe
that Israel is leading a moral and clean war while it’s enemies are
resorting to dirty tactics which target the civilian population. In fact of
the 24 Israelis who have died 12 are civilians while over 200 hundred
civilians have died in Lebanon many of them women and children escaping
after Israels so called “warnings”. Hezbollah are firing crude often
innefective rockets while Israel are using sophisticated and lethal weaponry
and targeting large civilian urban areas. The conflict started with the
kidnapping of 2 Israeli soldiers while thousands of Palestinians and
Lebanese rot in Israeli jails. Irsaels response is collective punishment of
innocent women and children. Yet Mr Weiner would have us believe that
Isrealis have sustained the brunt of the suffering when the opposite is
true. In this conflict, 20 Lebanese civilians killed for evey one Isreali
civilian casualty.
I ask Mr Weiner, are Arab lives less precious?
Antonio Muto-Isolani MD
My heart is brocken.
Many of the posts here are tragic. I am Jewish and I am disgusted by these images. Children should never learn that war is a game and that weapons of war are a means to convey a message. Still as many of the posts here demonstrate the level of anti-Jewish hatred in the eyes, minds and hearts of people like Eddie, Robin, and Mori is astounding. I will make no comparison to the Palestinian children taught to dress as suicide bombers. They are vistims of a society that places pride before life. But lets get our facts straight. 800,000 Jews left the arab/Muslim world to help “establish” israel (including my grandparents). 600,000 Arabs were left without a homeland after their leaders chose to make war rather than live in peace with their Jewish neighbors. Today, the state of Israel with near 6,000,000 Jews exists. How do we respect the human rights of all involved? Not by insisting that the Jews allow themselves to be murdered by monsters like nasrallah, Rantisi and Arafat!
DEATH TOLL:
Israeli Army: 12
Israeli civilians: 13
HISBULAH fighters: 5 (but seriously, it almost looks like IDF is actually trying to miss the hisbolah fighters!!)
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Lebanese civilians > 220 !!
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these stats speak for themselves!
It shouldn’t matter if a terrorist is using a knife or an american-made F-16 or Howitzer, however the zionist-owned Fox, Time, NY Times, CBS, ABC, and countless others that decide the american public opinion on behalf of them, would tell you otherwise.
(read: http://www.natall.com/who-rules-america/)
Israel is simply preparing the U.S to do its bidding again in Syria and Iran, like it sent the americans to die in Iraq on its behalf (who was the ONLY beneficiary from the war on Iraq? Israel and only Israel who got rid of its main rival in the middle east, and certainly it didn’t America nor the Iraqis)
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AMERICA – WAKE UP AND SMELL THE STINK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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STOP CIVILIAN BOMBING NOW!
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ALL CHILDREN KILLERS AND THEIR ADVOCATES SHALT DESERVINGLY GO TO HELL!!!!!!!!!!
I just dont know what’s in their heart……….what their heart are made from?….There are no “peaceful” word in israeli’s’ heart….only “destroy/killed all man kind that are different from them” that are exist in their head and heart..
Just see those picture…..what if your children die like that?…
I don’t think Islam, the religion, is the source of conflict as Izzy suggests. I think the issue has less to do with religion (or philosophy as Samuel clarifies) and more to do with simple economics and politics. Religion is used to galvanize forces into action, but it is rarely the fundamental rationale for why those people are fighting. Such is the case in Palestine and Kashmir as much as it is in Sri Lanka or Colombia where you have Tamils fighting Hindus and Marxist Christians fighting Capitalist Christians.
Zionists are the ones who introduced terrorism in the Middle East. Jews escaping in the XVth century from catholic Spain were welcomed in Palestine (even if the majority prefered to settle in the Capital city of Istanbul rather than in the very at that time “provincial” cities of Jerusalem or Safad). But some did without any problems from local christian, samaritan or muslim Palestinians. But terror came when zionists decided to create through terror a “purified ethnical Jewish State” in Palestine and extend it without limits (Golan, Iraq, etc.). And they put then more and more Palestinians (and now Lebanese) in despair. Did you ever think what amount of despair, courage, hate, (and foolishness !), it needs to decide to “suicide” just to kill with you colonists of the land of your mothers, fathers, brothers and sisters ? “suicide” bombers are people who are despaired because occupiers took all what they had on earth when “international community” do not react to that. So, there seems then to you, you have no other choice than die and take with you the more having happy and pecefull life colonists you can “to hell”. Why the Jews from Warsaw ghetto decided to “suicide” in the obviously going to be defeated uprising ? Why the Jewish fighters bombed the occupied Warsaw German cafe-club with all these german children and wifes drinking coffee or lemonade ? Why the Polish underground resistance put bomb in the “civilian” trains at the Berlin Friedrichstrasse Railway station in 1942 ? If you understand that, then you understand Palestinians and Lebanese or now Iraqis. Some of them became fool. But who is responsible for that ? The Zionist “psychiatrists” !!!! The zionist nazi like ethnical racism. The day Jews in Palestine will free themselves from zionism and accept this land will be a common State for all semitic and Abrahamic nations, they will be even allowed to prey in and around the Solomon’s rebuilt already temple : the Golden dome mosque (as they could in the XVth century). And they will have the right to vote in the new Palestinian State. And the Zionists will be allowed to escape and build their “pure” ethnical State somewhere in America ! Somewhere between Mormon Utah, Alaskan white deserts, the forests of Maine, South Baptist coalition territories or Bush’s Texas ranch. There’s plenty of free land there (because tough financial policies already destroyed little peasants settlements).
O Jews ! You can kill all the Muslim People you like ! But there will come a time when we Muslims by the help of ALLAH the Almighty will defeat you and reconquer our pride.
There will come a time when Mahdi and Jesus will rise. O we will eliminate this Jewish race . You can run but u cannot hide. So fear that day !!!!!!!!
I know you people have this fear in your blackened hearts !!!!!
Oh my gosh! This is so sad! What have we created?? May God forgive us all! The time is coming!
What do you do to a man who:
becomes a militant fundamentalist,
arms himself against anyone who opposes his views,
forces people to flee their homes,
aids in illegal immigration,
and acquires weapons and strategic alliances, advanced jet fighters and nuclear power in the advancement of his goals?
First:
You award him a Nobel Peace Prize.
Next:
You build a peace center which honours him by carrying his peaceful image even further into the record books.
Indeed, with role models of this sort, you build a mighty nation, one within which even the children disregard the realities of their actions in favor of a nationalist cause.
The name of this brave and upstanding man, this ‘dove’ amongst ‘hawks’?
Shimon Peres
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shimon_Peres
http://www.peres-center.org/
Let us emulate this man.
His message:
Forget the over 200 Lebanese and every Palestinian civilian murdered by our actions. They are of no consequence.
History is indeed written by the victor.
We are all being manipulated by the powerful elite of this world.Until the decent people of this world stand together as one, against the fudelist ideal?s of the Illumanati. It will continue.The plan is to destroy 90% of the human population.So the rich and powerful may have a genises.Devided by prejidice we have no chance it is what they want.They have concentration camps built for us in The U.S. Im sure im headed there one day we brought civil suit against Bush Basicly naming him a traitor. So Im sure they have my name.Hezbollah,The Taliban,Masad,MI5,CIA,shadow government?s all work for the same master?s The leaders of The U.N. and there job is is to kill you.Cowboy up Shafu there over there not over there
No way these pictures (The top 3) are real!!!! It is a false & vicious anti Israeli propaganda. Please don’t belive it. It is so refuted and tendentious, I swear to god.
Here’s some useful links
http://www.infowars.com/articles/ww3/leftists_protest_israel_aggression.htm
http://www.wrmea.com/archives/April_2005/0504018.html
http://www.martiallaw911.info/
http://www.aljazeerah.info/News%20archives/2006%20News%20Archives/July/17%20n/American%20family%20brutally%20assaulted%20at%20Israeli%20checkpoint%20The%20tragic%20Story%20of%20Tina%20and%20Michael%20Hannouneh.htm
im with shafu! that is so so true, the jews(zionist) is so so afraid, they peeing in their pants! the jews is the choosen race by Allah, of their ignorance, the only that had not punish yet! THEIR TIME WILL COME! no tree or stone will help you on that day! but if they prefer to wait, let them enjoy all they can now. ALLAHUAKBAR!
Zionist=Illumnati=Nazis=Satan
not Jews is a religion of the one God
Muslims=Christian=Budist=Judaism=Peace
See Illumnati http://www.lonelantern.org/illuminati1.html
If you beleive in death then you worship the king of lies.
Also see China http://prisonplanet.com/articles/april2006/170406China.htm
also see China http://prisonplanet.com/articles/april2006/170406China.htm
Just for Carla from LEB: i read ur first sentence and all i can say is that: I DONT EXPECT U TO UNDERSTAND!
Although some ppl sittin much further away from LEB do.
Its really shameful that u carry the lebanese nationality and u put Hizballah & Israel in the same level!
It couldnt Be more pathetic.
I don’t know what to say as an American except my government is imprisoning and killig us and our children while our furer destroys our credabilty throughout the world.
Poor kids… but they don’t know it better.
Indoctrination into archaic religions and military – the root of all evil!
Peace to all!
Tomi
what do u expect from a purely racist category of people such as the bloody israili zionists???
ARTIST: Rodgers and Hammerstein
TITLE: You’ve Got to Be Carefully Taught (from “South Pacific”)
You’ve got to be taught to hate and fear
You’ve got to be taught from year to year
It’s got to be drummed in your dear little ear
You’ve got to be carefully taught
You’ve got to be taught to be afraid
Of people whose eyes are oddly made
And people whose skin is a different shade
You’ve got to be carefully taught
You’ve got to be taught before it’s too late
Before you are six or seven or eight
To hate all the people your relatives hate
You’ve got to be carefully taught
You’ve got to be carefully taught
let’s think for a second, why would palestinians or lebanese or any other arab country for that matter would want to hit israel?
did israel kick people out of their land? YES
did israel respect human rights? NO
does israel have the right to abuse? NO
did israel torture individuals and families? OF COURSE YES
am not gonna go on and on, we all know that israel is a PEST in the middle east. it doesnt belong there, it’s like having cancer in your body, and israel is cancer to the middle east.
am not being anti-semitic in any way, i am not against jews, am against israeli agression. to those who said that israelis are the chosen people of god, you are mistaken, why would god want his chosen people to suffer that much (I DONT PITTY YOU AT ALL, I ONLY PITTY YOU FOR BEING SO DAMN MEAN) everyone are god’s children, stop being so stuck up and it’s about time to stop having the FOLIE DES GRANDEURS.
please visit http://www.fromisraeltolebanon.org and check what ISRAELIS are doing.
to imianduru
go to hell with israel !!!!
i think that you are a jewish , no a zionist
the only men are hizbollah nowadays , no body fight yahud !!!except those heros
to carla
sorry, but allah is grandiose than all, and muslims will finnaly win and keep the peace in EArth, it is written in our holy coran , it’s a reality,
to die in fighting ennemies of allah and muslims is a billion time better than live as monkey under their reign
to silvia
go to hell !!!!
you are the real terrorist , not your place here , !!!
Dear all,
It is such disgusting to see both kids writing messages on artillery (whatever the target is we always know that it is the civilians, kids, mothers who die in wars..don’t we?) and kids(even some with mental handicap) who wore bombs on them to detonate them at a checkpoint. It is the very fact that the support for occupation is neverending in israel, the support for the discrimination wall that turns the life of palestinians into an open air prison is no recent news as well. This time Lebanon is tried to be turned into a n open air prison for the Lebanese, time to open our eyes friends, no self-defence can be meant to bomb international roads and international airports, no self-defense can be meant to besiege a country from all possible ports of entry. I believe the right of Israel to exist as a sovereign country in Mid. East however respecting the borders of 1967 and finally accepting the fact that they HAVE to co-exist with their neighbours and grant the palestinians the very right of independence which they proudly proclaim for themselves.
With greetings from Turkey to all Mid. East,
May peace -first- prevail in Mid. East
I am living in the west bank, I AM NOT SHOCKED
But i feel sorry for those kids.
if they do this to there own kids, what kind of people we are dealing with????
The photos were SET UP. They have NO MEANING. Get over it. My previous posts (192 & 203) spell this out.
But then, the well of ant-semitism has burst, and nothing, not even reason (especially NOT reason), can stop the flood.
Shafu states:
Jesus (a Jew) will not eliminate the Jews. Wouldn’t that make him suicidal? Please. Your bigotry is charming and, all, really it is, but?
Ah, never mind.
These children can’t spell.
Israel does not want the death of any non-combatant citizen of any nation. Israel respects the right for all other countries to exist, including the right for the Palestinians to have their own borders (which have constantly been under negotiation yet blockaded by Palestinian militants, and in one case by an Orthodox Jew). Yet, the nations that surround Israel do not agree with Israel’s placement in the world. Although the Jews have had a history in the region, the Arab and Muslim world (Iran is not Arab), says that the territory is fully Muslim, and cannot be controlled by Jews or any other people other than Muslims. (THIS RACISM IS KILLING ME!)
These Muslim nations are not ultimately concerned with the well being of their own citizens, let alone of a nation of people far removed from them. They are, and you can ask them and find quotes, interested in the final eradication of the state of Israel.
It is sad to think that these Israeli girls would write love letters to dying children, however, from the picture and a few other comments, I myself noticed a line in the 2nd and 3rd pictures that says: “…Nazrala with love.”
Nasrallah is the leader of the Hezbollah, which is recognized by the UN as a terrorist organization.
If we all pray for peace we can have peace. But if one half of the party crosses his fingers and is bent on the ultimate elimination of a non-Muslim from the Middle east, then we can have no peace.
no one in this modern age will ever win any peace through bombing, military aggression, bullets, occupation, insurgency, kidnapping, or any confrontational action of any kind. The only victory possible in that situation is to kill every single individual you consider youre enemy, man, woman and child. This has not been accepted since the time of Genghis Khan and is unlikely ever again to happen. In all the conflicts that have been solved or are in the final stages of being solved, (ie northern ireland, colonised india or colonised africa) violence only led to more suffering and violence, stalemate positions and extremism, only when the ordinary people of these states no longer accepted the ever deepening endless cycle of violence was there progress.
At some stage all the aggrieved must draw a line under their pain and suffering and become invested in peace, justice and reconciliation, with the promise of a prosperous and peaceful future.
surely all people regardless of their age, race, colour of skin, religion, gender, beliefs or way of life deserve a life free from strife?
The picture on the bottom is older than the ones above. You created great fiction. Plus, if you can read, the kids are writing good luck messages to the defesne forces.
I would like to interject a very important distinction in the vocabulary being used here. To Ali, who insists I am being bigoted against Jews. I would very much appreciate it if people could once and for all make the CLEAR distinction between the Judaic faith and the political movement of Zionism. The two are NOT the same. For anyone to continue to try to paint those of us who stand against Zionist aggression with being Anti-Semitic, you are very much trying to manipulate an arguement to your advantage. A person can be a Zionist and not be Jewish whatsover. The major binding philosophy of ALL Zionists, be they Jewish or CHRISTIAN Zionists is that the land of Israel, as proclaimed in the Torah, was given to and should in perpitude be a Jewish state. That is VERY different from MANY Jews who believe that the state of Israel has been FORCED by man to fulfill a prophesy at the inhumane cost to others who have been displaced. So, once and for all, I am asking for people such as Ali to stop insisting that people such as myself and others have hatred towards Jews because of their faith. I can only speak for myself when I say that it is NOT the Jewish faith, it is the ZIONISTS which engage my rage. For ANYONE to set up a state exclusively for one religion which ousts MILLIONS of others from it’s boundaries and continues in it’s aggression towards it neighbors, THAT!! is what I am against.
My only prayer is that Iran and Syria will come to the Aid of Lebanon…..Carl
This is chip Demagogue to say this.
On the Shell it write “Hezbollah with Love…” & in Hebrew “I was waiting for this…”
No where it say anything about kids.
True, this is terribly said to see innocent people specially children dieing (as any sound an normal person fill),
My hart goes out to him and his parent (being a father…I know how lucky you are to have a healthy child and how hard it is to grow them)
However, be fair ,Hezbollah has been doing this for years and all they do is targeting the Civil population in Israel.
I honestly believe with all my hart that Israel do try to avoid the death of innocent people.
Do you think that it is problematic (military wise) to wipe off Beirut ? well it is not.
Why is it not done ? – because unlike Hezbollah ,Israel is trying to avoid the death of innocent people.
Why do Israel bother to ask civilians to leave their house as it will be targeted shortly ?
and on the same note why do Hezbollah shout from civil area and houses (you probably show the pictures in the TV showing how they do that)
As I am witting this answer 2 children died in Nazareth by Hezbollah.
i dont beleive what im reading i dont beleive what i see they are just i kids??
and in my own word FUCK U isreal u are a shit and hezbolaah wsayed hassan is leader for all muslims??and i wish from GOD to take my from soul and my life and give to fight those isreal people.
DIE IN HILL ISREAL KIDS
Sabbah: “Occupation is the root of evil in this part of the world. So, just a small reminder: ?Get the hell out of my homeland and live in peace.?”
Actually I completely agree. And indeed Israel got out of Lebanon 6 years ago – yet Hizbollah continues to provoke fighting in this region whenever it suits its Iranian/Syrian operators. What should Israel do about it? What would Egypt do in the same situation?
As a personal note, I’ve been reading your blog for some time and had respect for you. I have lost most of it after seeing the way you chose to spread these lies. You know as well as I do these are not messages to Arab children, but to Nassrallah.
What are we left with? Hate-filled fools, most of whom never been to the Mideast in their lives, stain your blog comments with their ugly racism. Are we to continue fighting for another 100 years, to the pervese satisfaction of the fanatics, racists and general lunatics of this world?
im a muslim and im lebanese and i wish for every isreal man and women & kids to die in hill cz i see my country my family is dying infront of my eyes and i cant do any thing and im very happy to see thak isreal people is dying like arab people is dying?even if u see z history u ill see that there is no exict for isreal there is no country name isreal they kill our people and our contry to make there own countries.
and in z end they are a peace of shit they are nothing and trust me they will die in z end and we will win our life and our country cz we are strong and we beleive in GOD.
and my last word for them…………?
DIE IN HILL…………
DIE IN HILLLL????
????? ???? ?? ??? ??? ??????? ?? ????? ????????? ???? ???????? ???? ????? ??? ????? ??? ???? ????? ??? ???? ???? ????? ????? ?????? ??? ???? ?????? ???? ??????? ????? ???? ???? ?? ?????? ????????? ???? ????????? ????? ??????? ????? ???? ????? ?? ????? ???? ????? ???? ??? ????? ??????? ????? ?? ???? ?????? ??? ???? ????? ?????? ??? ???? ????? ????? ?????? ?????? ??????? ??????? ????? ?????? ???? ????? ??? ???? ????? ???? ????? ???? ???????? ???? ???? ?????? ??? ??? ???? ???? ??? ????? ???? ??????? ?????? ?? ??? ????? ??? ?? ?? ????? ??????? ????? ???? ???? ???? ??? ????? ?????? ????????? ???? ????? ??? ???? ???? ????? ???? ?? ?? ???? ??? ??????? ??????? ?????? ????? ????? ?? ??????? ????? ???????? ??? ???? ?????? ?????? ???????? ??????? ??? ?????? ???? ……..
just one world for ISREAL {FUCK YOU ALL)
palestine will always be first KHAWA .. god bless all palestinian ppl every where in this world..
we will win for sure and return to our land that belongs to us not to isreal ! fuck u isreal , and fuck bush and sharoon and everyone who helps isreal to damage our beloved land !! VIVA LA PALESTINE .. and fuck those kids !! damn it they’re not kids ! they r kids of the devil !!! BURN IN HELL ISREAL .. we will return soon ;)
When will you learn? There is no reason to blow each other to pieces, its got the point of it being nobodies fault and both sides are in the wrong and are fighting on the grounds of religion. Wich is complete B/S christianity judasium and islam all worship the same god, just in a differnet way. None of you are right and none of you are wrong as the basis for your belifs are all based around the same mellenia+ old books that have no concrete fact.
Face it, you cannot prove if you are right or wrong and you will find out if you were right when you are dead. All that is happening is that you are getting there faster.
“Children have never been very good at listening to their elders, but they have never failed to imitate them.” -James Baldwin
Hatred begets more hatred..
es ist h?te zeit, dass man den israelis ihren holocaust rabatt wegnimmt. die sind j?r geworden, mit noch gr?rer brutalit? als damals die deutschen.
I don’t know how about you guys…But on the third picture -I able to read:”To Nazrallah with Love”…Can any body show me the “…Dear Lebanese/Palestinian/Arab/Muslim/Christians – Kids, Die with love.”
Thanks,
Marty
So where are the pictures condemning the repetitive, intentional targeting of Israeli civilians by Hezbollah and Hamas and their supporters Syria and Iran? Where are the pictures of dead Israeli children and the destruction of suicide bombers? Do you also condemn the rocket and missile attacks on Israel that are intentionally launched from civilian areas in order to incur international condemnation on any Israeli response? The blame for these tragic Lebanese civilian deaths can easily be attributed to Hezbollah.
es wird h?te zeit, dass man den israelis ihren holocaust rabatt wegnimmt. die sind zu brutalen j?r geworden, noch schlimmer als damals die deutschen.
translate in google:
it becomes high time that one takes their from the Israelis away holocaust discount. those are become brutal hunter, still more badly than at that time the Germans.
??????! ??? ?? ???? ???????? ?? ??? ??? ??? ????? ??? ???????”Dear Lebanese/Palestinian/Arab/Muslim/Christians – Kids,Die with love.Yours,Israeli Kids” ??? ???????? ?????…? ??? ???????? ???. ????? ????? ??? ?????????; ???? ???, ???? ?????? ????? ???????? ?????? ??? ??????? – ?????? ??? ????! ?????? ???????? ???????? ?????????? ?????????. ?????! ?? ???-? ??? ??????????? ???????? ?????????! ???????, ??????? ???????! =============================== ???? ?????? ???? ????????!!!
zenur?
I’m not sure what to say – to either side – here. There are many in America – NOT ALL of us, not even most people – but still, a significant number of people who say, “The Jews and the Arabs are not wise enough, not intelligent enough, and are so selfish that both sides will NEVER agree to any kind of peace. Therefore, why don’t we simply nuke ALL of them, turn the desert into a giant sheet of glass, and be done with BOTH sides of idiots.” For those of you who insist YOUR side is ALWAYS right; that it was always “THEM” who started any conflict; that “WE” were always the ones who “owned” the land that makes up the Middle East… a few facts.
1) NEITHER the Jews OR the Arabs, Muslims OR Christians were the first dwellers of the area in which this conflict was going on. When looking at FACTUAL history, you CANNOT use religious texts to support your argument. And the facts, found in the archeology of the region, say that people whom Christians, Muslims, AND Jews might consider “heathens” were the first occupiers of those lands. Judaism came later, then Christianity, and then Islam. So, just as in America, when people say, “WE ought to make EVERYONE speak the original language of this country,” and I laugh – because the “original” language of America is any one of a number of aboriginal/native languages like Sioux, Cherokee, Lakota, etc. – so too is it the case when those who live in the Middle East say, “Everyone except the descendants of the ORIGINAL settlers on this land needs to leave.” OK. When shall we ship out ALL the Jews, Christians, and Muslims? The past is the past. Deal with it, let it go, apologize when you SHOULD, build for the future.
2) Children should NOT be taught to write messages of hate on bombs. It doesn’t matter WHOM you are writing the words to; CHILDREN SHOULD NOT BE TAUGHT TO HATE. It is only a matter of “media control” – through word of mouth, pictures, television, movies, radio, and the Internet – to change the direction of someone’s hate. Goebels did it in Germany, before WWII, and Karl Rove has tried to do it in America recently. Unfortunately, MOST people – Jews, Christians, and Muslims alike – are sheep-like, and will go where they are pushed. Teaching them HATE when they are young only makes it easier for someone else to make your children do their dirty work later.
3) Finally, if you want to “win” – to be free – why continue to fight in such a way where NO ONE wins? Most terrorists are idiots! Why bomb a bus? Or a train? Why kill civilians, on either side? Their death WILL NOT get you what you want! You want results? Concentrate ALL your negative energy on the wealthy and the highest level political leaders, EXCLUSIVELY. Nothing else will get you the results you want. The poor have no control – so whether you are a militia, or a government, why go after the civilians?!! The rich and the super-powerful individuals are the ONLY people you should be influencing. One way to do that? Stop fighting, become rich yourself – and then buy out the people you hate. Make them your slaves, if you must. Only realize, if they are smart, they will try to do the same to you. It’s a kind of war, but one where you can survive to gloat over your opponents.
Please – all of you. Get smart. Or the idiots in America may end up following through on what SOME of them would like. And then ALL sides – Muslim, Jew, and Christian – all lose.
Figure…It…Out.
Israeli,
I don’t know what lies you are talking about. These photos are real, I didn’t make them. Any blind can see the girls signing the shells, and for your info, if you didn’t know, these shells killed more than 300 civilians out there.
As for the few people how can’t read well, sorry, I can’t help you. But I said clearly, the message above is not what one can see written, although it might be written somewhere, but we can see it by looking at the dead bodies.
Greg,
No, I’ll disappoint you. I’m not happy to see the rockets falling on Israel (and now Arab) and Palestinians. However, I expect the same.
Guys, you have to understand something. If you have the right to defend yourself, same do others. If you decide that the kids of Gaza and Lebanon should not sleep, you should accept the same. Why do some brainless oversight the origin of all this? It is called OCCUATION. And FYI, OCCUPATION=Israel. End the occupation, return the land and the people, and live in peace. Calling people terrorist will not help you. Call them whatever you like, they will just hate you more, but they will never give-up. Generation after generation, they will be fighting for their rights.
Never to believe that once will be a true peace with those people who were raised to hate other people, Never to believe that they are victim bec ppl with this kind of soul are always murderers ….with the the bottom of my heart iam with you lebanesse with the bottom of my heart i love you NASR-ALLAH….and may God will protect you and lead you to the victory that our souls have been eagering to, since decades
Wut type of hate do you teach your kids? are those the moral norms and values u follow ? or is it just ur sick (miss used) religion ? If i were God, i’d blow up those Katyoshas in their faces and make Land around them a burning flame of hell. since hell will be their home sweet home in the next coming world anyway. U think they throw rockets on Hizballah soldiers? is this why we hear alot of them get killed? please ur ignorant. Ur stupid mother fuckers with Guns. that’s all. and we’ll BRING U DOWN…..we’ll bring u down ladies ;) MWA
woooooow,damn n the world says we kill the israeli kids well i say the hell with them all…
what to say?
no matter what the written words on the rocket were,mainly the object is,they are having fun drawing on a killing body,is it innocent somewhere?and if yes,can anyone tell ???
no one has to see the claimed gift to judge ,its more than enough watching lebanese and palestinians sad features in the above posted pictures,if their hopeless helpless scrimes didnt reach your feelings ,then just remove the (human)expression from your body dictionary
talking about love and peace?negotiating stollen land?arguing about others homes,,,???obviously its immoral,,
those nationless traditionless are talking now about their rights in our land
no word can describe their shamefull behaviour,killing innocents for no reason and claiming god is with them,,,i bet the god they are talking about is not ours ,they created him to satistfy their needs
kids of lebanon and palestine
may god bless you ,keep hoping and dreaming
your tiny bodies your frightened nights,your sadness and tears will reach every heart
god bless you
check this site people
http://fromisraeltolebanon.info/
The lie I’m talking about is this:
“Dear Lebanese/Palestinian/Arab/Muslim/Christians – Kids, Die with love.”
The truth is the writings are directed at Nassrallah, who launches ~150 rockets a day at these kids and in his speeches promise to bring their death together with the rest of Israelis. Nassrallah, not Lebanese children.
It still doesn’t make it a good idea, but the meaning is completely different. And if we talk of educating children for hatred, this is patently an Arab invention – in schoolbooks and in photos like this: http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/b/babybomber.htm
Regarding occupation: Israel does not occupy one inch of Lebanon since 2000, yet Hizbollah continues to attack it whenever it sees fit. Israel has withdrew from Gaza Strip a year ago, and then reelected a government whose main goal is to withdraw from the West Bank. The Palestinians reacted by electing Hamas for government and shooting Kassam missiles at Israeli towns.
In light of these events (not to mention the comments above) it’s becoming obvious that most Arabs simply will not accept Israel’s existance in any borders.
Here’s a question to you and all comment posters: would you accept Israel’s existance in the Middle East at all or not? At which borders?
I am stunned. Only that parents would allow this not that little kids would think nothing of it. I have no problem with Israel’s actions as a nation. Lebanon lost control of their own country to Hezbolla, this is sad and traggic but, it is true. The Labenese Government could not disarm or control them and now Israel must. Anyone who pays any attention knows that people die when we make war upon one another. Explosives make human bodies very messy and nearly unrecognizable but, Kaytusha rockets would have the same end result. These pictures are for heart string, gut reactions (which is needed on one level) but, this violence has gone on for many, many years and someday it must end, if one horrific slaughter will stop it so be it. It won’t though, not enough will happen, the world will cry for a cease fire and as a result this will start again in a few years. Simply sad..
Israeli,
First, I did not lie. If you read all the post, you will know I didn’t.
Second, stop justifying killing civilians. You are not better than those shelling Palestine and Lebanon.
Third, yes, I accept a Jewish state within the borders of 1967. Nothing less, nothing more.
The question is: When will you withdraw? Another 50 years?
Just a comment on Philip’s post #245
” Jesus (a Jew) will not eliminate the Jews. Wouldn?t that make him suicidal? Please”
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Jesus as far as I can remember was not a Jew. It was the Jews who wanted to kill him just like they did with the prophets sent by Allah before him. The Jews were always the non-believers and indeed if you believe in your religion you know that Jesus will be resurrested once more on the day of judgemnet to be the witness of the demnation of the Jewish people.
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Jesus a Jew? and yet he spread the word of the Bible? The book of the Christian faith? I’m just a bit baffled by your comment there.
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Also, how are these photos a “set up”? By revealing the truth? or is it just hard to grasp in the reality that there are ‘terrorists’ other than Muslims? (As Mr. Bush kindly refered us to be, and know the whole west along with him…)
Israeli,
What you are saying is very wired, you’ve been brain washed… simply brain washed just like the kids in the picture who are being tought to hate Arabs. No one said there shouldn’t be an Israeli state. The problem is that they are not satisfied with the borders in 1967. How far do they wanna come? They believe that they are the chosen people by god and that if they are killing innocent people, god has given them the right. This is scary. How many innocent people do they wanna kill? How far do they want their borders to come? Have you ever seen how the Israeli soldiers torture little Palestinan kids? No you haven’t because they don’t want you to see it. The problem is that the Israelis think that they have the right to expand their land as far as they want and that this is a god given right for them. Let me ask you this question, where do you expect the Palestinians to go? Why should they leave their lands and houses they have worked hard to build? Why do the Israelis want to throw the Palestinians out of Palestine?
4 israeli:
1- israel still occupies Lebanese land, u know that , its called Shib3a farms.It also detains Lebanese individuals and everyday enters the Lebanese air space and waters. ( if the latter happens to any other counrty in the world it will declare war on the trespassing country.
2- If u can get Nasralla’s 1st & second speeches translated. U will C that he took the two soldiers & the next minute he declared in his press conference that all we want is a hostage trade, we dont want war or anybody to be killed, he said u can get ur two soldiers back by givin us our hostages back PERIOD.
Israel went crazy , refused that deal cuz it didnt include killing , its favorite hobby, and started war.
Even after killin a lot of civilians and destroyin everything in its way , and at that time Nasralla didnt attack the ppl of israel , he declared in his 2nd press conference that we dont wish to hurt any of ur civilians but ur massacres and continued aggression leaves us no choice but 2 fight back.
I am sure u didnt know all that , did U!
Did anyone attempt to send the pictures to CNN, CBS, NBC, fox, LA times or the NY times. How about the most popular pictures on the Yahoo web site?
Go for it…expose their true intentions.
Sam, do you think if we send any of these picture to any of those news casts, they will ever show it? Believe me they won’t. They are all puppets. They show pictures of Palestinians or Lebenes being hurt in some extent but they won’t show the ones that will touch one’s soul that is only permited for Israelis. They don’t want you and me and the rest of the world to see the real truth. They give the news to people the way they want it. Do you think these are the first or only pictures like this? There are tons of pictures and even documentaries that even show how much torture has been put on the Palestinians. These pictures and documentaries are not only taken by Arabs but even Americans who have traveled to Middle East but, they have been denied the right to show them and express the truth. Why? We should know by now.
(Muslimah, [just a note on the side]
I’m a Catholic and it states clearly in our Bible, in the New Testament, that Jesus was born a Jew of Jewish parents. One of the first mentions of him as a twelve year old is of him going to the temple and the Jewish people being amazed by his young wisdom. He is supposed to be the fulfillment of the prophesies of Isaah for the coming of the messiah, persecution and all. In fact many Jews believe that the Gospels were written falsely in order to have Jesus fulfill the prophesies and even then did not cut the mustard as the messiah, only a heretic. Our New Testament says that it was BECAUSE he was a Jew that he was condemned by the Pharisees for heresy against the Jewish faith. I’m not really sure what the Koran says, but that’s what the New Testament, the portion of the Bible written after Christ says.
It’s REALLY not important to me, the differences between any of the details of any of the three Abrahamic religions, but there you go, now you have the info as per the Christian belief.)
In any case, I don’t think children writing notes on bombs would be condoned by ANY of the prophets pbut. Peace and in solidarity with all those in Palestine and Lebanon suffering what no children of the creator of all mankind should suffer, regardless of race or religion. May God save us all from this insanity.
im sure the messages are for the isreali soldiers in the libanon they shoot that bombs, not for the arabiens !
think about that, this are kids !
Revelation 3:9
Peace!
God is Love
Muslimah,
Jewish was a Jew. This is not an issue up for debate. It is historical fact. He was a direct descendant of King David. He took part in the Jewish feasts and festivals. He was referred to frequently as Rabbi. He did not spread the word of the Bible, nor Christianity. He was, by definition, the founder (for lack of a better word). Christianity was typically considered a Jewish sect before more and more non-Jews became involved, granting it cultural distinction from Judaism. The faith was spread by those known as the Apostles, some who knew Jesus firsthand, others (like Paul) who had other supernatural experiences with him.
The Jewish religious and political authorities sought his death, because they believed he was claiming to be the long-promised Messiah, yet they did not believe him to be. His claims of equality with God as the son of God (i.e. being God in the flesh) resulted in their final attempt to have him executed. Of course, they had no authority under Roman law, so they intimidated the Roman governor of the time, Pilate, to have him crucified. Despite his finding Jesus innocent of any breach of Roman law, he “washed his hands” of Jesus’ blood and had him executed. Of course, as a Christian, I believe that Jesus rose from the dead on the 3rd day from the Sabbath (Sunday).
The Christian texts end with the Book of Revelation, in which Jesus does return, but not to damn the Jews to hell. Rather, it is to throw Satan and his followers there. The Jews’ role in the Revelation is that of being renewed followers of God, leading the world against the embodiment of Satan on earth. Exactly how all this will come to pass is unknown. But keep in mind that Christians do not consider Jesus to be prophet; that is a huge difference. Our belief is that he is who he claimed to be, God’s son, the representation of God on earth.
But Jesus was a Jew, unquestionably. Otherwise he would have had no chance at all of having anyone believe he was the Messiah! This does not make Jews superior; it just clarifies that Jesus isn’t an anti-Semite! :-)
As for the set-up of the photos, “Lisa,” who Sandmonkey knows, spoke with some of the twelve photographers and other journalists who were there. They told her that the children were just out looking around and that the photographers coaxed them to do it, telling them that their friends/family in America will see them. They certainly should not have been writing on artillery (!), but the message neither stated nor implied a desire for death of Lebanese civilians, but specifically Nasrallah himself.
Oh, and one clarification:
It was not “the Jews” who wanted Jesus killed. It was certain religious authorities and a number of other individuals. Many jews followed him. Others, like a wise Pharisee, said to tolerate him, that if he is false, then he will fade away. If he is real and of God, then nothing can stop his message (!). Another member of the Sanhedrin (ruling body) was a Pharisee named Simon who actually offered his family tomb for Jesus, as well as another named Nicodemus who had secretly become a believer.
Sorry for the Sunday School lesson! ;-)
Hey Robin! Quit hijacking my comments! ;-)
Hey Robin! Quit hijacking my comments! ;-)
I do agree with a return to the 1967 borders, as do many Israelis. I must ask, though:
Would Hamas? Hezbollah? Islamic Jihad? Al Aqsa “Martyrs” Brigade? I think therein lies the issue.
Ok Jesus was a jew!!! so what? does that justify their crimes? no no no!!! And by the way, Jesus probably saw lots of flaws in the jewish believes and faith; he probably saw that the Jews are chosing the wrong paths that guided them to a new path and that was what made him preach Christianity, right? right.
U see, they have given you the wrong image of martyrs and the hizbullah, No they are not what you think or what you media says. Martyrs are people who get sick of their family members being killed and tortured. Martyrs are people who don’t want to watch this big power to come and get all of their rights form them, some of these martyrs make the wrong choice and harm civilians and some of them harm the right people. And lets not forget Hezbollah is not what our media says. As AJ said “If u can get Nasralla?s 1st & second speeches translated. U will C that he took the two soldiers & the next minute he declared in his press conference that all we want is a hostage trade, we dont want war or anybody to be killed, he said u can get ur two soldiers back by givin us our hostages back PERIOD.
Israel went crazy , refused that deal cuz it didnt include killing , its favorite hobby, and started war.
Even after killin a lot of civilians and destroyin everything in its way , and at that time Nasralla didnt attack the ppl of israel , he declared in his 2nd press conference that we dont wish to hurt any of ur civilians but ur massacres and continued aggression leaves us no choice but 2 fight back.”
U see, they have given you the wrong image of martyrs and the hizbullah, No they are not what you think or what you media says. Martyrs are people who get sick of their family members being killed and tortured. Martyrs are people who don’t want to watch this big power to come and get all of their rights form them, some of these martyrs make the wrong choice and harm civilians and some of them harm the right people. And lets not forget Hezbollah is not what our media says. As AJ said “If u can get Nasralla?s 1st & second speeches translated. U will C that he took the two soldiers & the next minute he declared in his press conference that all we want is a hostage trade, we dont want war or anybody to be killed, he said u can get ur two soldiers back by givin us our hostages back PERIOD.
Israel went crazy , refused that deal cuz it didnt include killing , its favorite hobby, and started war.
Even after killin a lot of civilians and destroyin everything in its way , and at that time Nasralla didnt attack the ppl of israel , he declared in his 2nd press conference that we dont wish to hurt any of ur civilians but ur massacres and continued aggression leaves us no choice but 2 fight back.”
U see, they have given you the wrong image of martyrs and the hizbullah, No they are not what you think or what you media says. Martyrs are people who get sick of their family members being killed and tortured. Martyrs are people who don’t want to watch this big power to come and get all of their rights and land form them, some of these martyrs make the wrong choice and harm civilians and some of them harm the right people. And lets not forget Hezbollah is not what our media says. As AJ said “If u can get Nasralla?s 1st & second speeches translated. U will C that he took the two soldiers & the next minute he declared in his press conference that all we want is a hostage trade, we dont want war or anybody to be killed, he said u can get ur two soldiers back by givin us our hostages back PERIOD.
Israel went crazy , refused that deal cuz it didnt include killing , its favorite hobby, and started war.
Even after killin a lot of civilians and destroyin everything in its way , and at that time Nasralla didnt attack the ppl of israel , he declared in his 2nd press conference that we dont wish to hurt any of ur civilians but ur massacres and continued aggression leaves us no choice but 2 fight back.”
U see, they have given you the wrong image of martyrs and the hizbullah, No they are not what you think or what you media says. Martyrs are people who get sick of their family members being killed and tortured. Martyrs are people who don’t want to watch this big power to come and get all of their rights and land form them, some of these martyrs make the wrong choice and harm civilians and some of them harm the right people. And lets not forget Hezbollah is not what our media says. As AJ said “If u can get Nasralla?s 1st & second speeches translated. U will C that he took the two soldiers & the next minute he declared in his press conference that all we want is a hostage trade, we dont want war or anybody to be killed, he said u can get ur two soldiers back by givin us our hostages back PERIOD.
Israel went crazy , refused that deal cuz it didnt include killing , its favorite hobby, and started war.”
U see, they have given you the wrong image of martyrs and the hizbullah, No they are not what you think or what you media says. Martyrs are people who get sick of their family members being killed and tortured. Martyrs are people who don’t want to watch this big power to come and get all of their rights and land form them, some of these martyrs make the wrong choice and harm civilians and some of them harm the right people. And lets not forget Hezbollah is not what our media says. As AJ said “If u can get Nasralla?s 1st & second speeches translated. U will C that he took the two soldiers & the next minute he declared in his press conference that all we want is a hostage trade, we dont want war or anybody to be killed, he said u can get ur two soldiers back by givin us our hostages back PERIOD.
Israel went crazy , refused that deal cuz it didnt include killing , its favorite hobby, and started war.”
Sorry Philip, I didn’t mean to hijack, but rather to give a simple answer because I’m a Christian also and just wanted to put in my two cents worth and give a simple explanation as to Jesus being a Jew since it really isn’t the topic here. Also it was written, “Just a comment on 245″ When the differences get into details and arguing, rather than the fact that the three great religions are related and NEED to get along for the sake of humainity, I don’t like arguing the details which lead to the head-butting which just ends up in a tailspin usually. I am VERY uncomfortable with ANYONE of ANY of the three religions telling ANY of the others that they will be eliminated at ANY time. ANYONE killing in the name of God just somehow does not make sense to me. But then again, that is only my own personal opinion. Generally speaking, it does not sit well with me at all. On the note of the above pictures, the circumstances behind the pictures that you have given us from Lisa are even more disgusting. So now kids in Israel are coaxed by telling them their friends in America will see them signing bombs. THAT is REALLY SICK. What kind of monster kid would think this would be appreciated by their “friends in America”. Well, the ugly truth is that they would be appreciated by all the idiot Zionists here in the States who think it is just hunky-dorey to kill as many Arabs as possible and what lucky kids these are in the pictures, they actually get to SIGN the bombs, WOW!! How cool is that!! Maybe they could just make them into postcards and try selling them on the street corners. DISGUSTING no matter WHAT the circumstances behind them are.
You have your beliefs, I have mine, and Allah knows best!
Allah jazak khair…
1967 borders? Who defined the borders pre-1967? Was it Israel?…The United Nations?…The League of Nations? The British Mandate?
The fact of the matter is that Israel is the only country in the world who has no defined border, pre 1969 or otherwise! If you disagree with me, please prove me wrong.
Israel was as an illegal creation by the zionist terrorists who bombed the British out of the Palestinian territories and enforced their own flag upon the soil of the 3rd party – people who have been living in palestine for generations of more than a millenium. Most of these zionist terrorists were born in Europe (outside of Israel) and had no legal right to attain residency status in Palestine. No only did they want residncy, they wanted total control of the region. They achieved their goals through terrorising the Palestinian people with massacres like Dar Yasin and bombing the British out of Palestine like the King David hotel bombing. Even before the General Assembly of the United Nations could agree upon a solution to the palestinian problem and accepting Israel officially into the UN club, the terrorists went ahead and declared independance calling their land Israel and declaring it to be their holy land granted to them exclusively by God. Under the pressure from United States and also Britain, he UN reluctantly agreed to accept Israel on condition that displaced Palestinians will have the right to return to their land. However, almost 60 years later 5 million palestinians are still living as refugees and israel refuses to allow them to go back to their homes, their legal homes under international law and called upon by the UN. These palestinians have been undergoing unmentionable treatment by the racist state of Israel that discriminates them and does not respect their rights as human beings. It is the extreme oppression upon the palestinians that has created people who ar willing to do anything to defend palestinians, even if that means certainty of death. Afterall, what have they got to live for other than pure racist Israeli oppression? Better they die for a good cause, standing on their feet rather than on their knees, fighting for justice, defending their own from further aggression.
Israel is the only country in the middle east who has gone to war with all of it’s neighbours many times, occupied innocent people’s land for more than 60 years, occupied Gaza, ccupied the West Bank and occupied the Golan Heights.
It is the only country in the middle east that has nuclear weapons with certainty – more than 100 nuclear warheads. The only middle eastern country that refuses to sign the nuclear non prolefeation treaty. It is the only country in the world that has flouted more than 70 UN resolutions time and again till today. It would have triple the amount of resolutions and sanctions if it wasn’t for the United States vetoing many of the resolutions or Britain abstaining from it. Israel would be nothing without staunch support from Unites States. It is for this, and this only that people see United States and Britain as legitimate targets for aiding and abetting the oppressors (just like America claims that Syria and Iran are supporting Hizbollah and Hamas).
Israel is the most de-stabalising factor in the middle east – established by the European Comission when they did their survey!
As a nation of people, I have nothing against Jews just like I have nothing against Muslims, Catholics or Mormons. However I HATE people who kill and torture through the daily oppression whether they are Muslims, Jews or Christians.
Just as Hitler and the Nazi movement was hated by the moral people of the world, so too must the Zionist movement with their fascist and racist leaders be hated and despised. And just as force was required to remove the oppression of the Nazi regime, so too must force be used to remove the Zionist scums who occupy the land of a third party and oppress them.
This has nothing to do with religion – it’s about justice! 1967 borders are not the root cause of the problem, it’s the illegal invasion of foreign fighters who killed, displaced and occupied the palestine in 1948 that is the root cause of the problem.
Amazing. The best solution is to wipe out the populations of Palestine/Israel like contaminated lab experiments. The area could become the “Madness Park” to remind the rest of the planet how close we are to irrationality in the name of religion, land or an “ism.” Perhaps a Roman solution would work: sell all the locals into slavery and salt the earth. This also has the benefit of fulfilling the aspirations of extreme elements of both sides while letting the rest of the planet get on with life.
Philip,
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Indeed, Jesus was a Jew, by birth.
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And ultimately, it was the jews who killed him – in their long tradition of killing prophets (you didn’t really thought they specialized in civilians and children did you?). Prophets were predominantely descendents of Isaac son of Ibraham, as they were indeed God’s chosen people
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Jews migrated to the Arabian Peninsula 1500 yrs ago because the old testement told them that the last prophet was going to appear there, and naturally – imagine their dismay when they found out that the last prophet is an arab, namely descending from Ismail son of Ibraham -peace be upon them all- (at which point the jews reaction went something along thec lines of “Bummer Dude…”)
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Previous century “versions” of the old testement or older include the name of that city “Yathrib”, later called AlMadina, and the name of that prophet: Recepient-of-Praise (or in Arabic: Muhammed). Naturally deleted in subsequent “releases”. I have verified these statement personally with a friend who was doing extensive research from old material he checked out from the university library.
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So naturally the hostilities began with that dissappointment (the Arab jews supported Muhammed’s enemies and tried to kill him for no other apparent reason)
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And where exactly in the Bible did Jesus -peace be upon him- say he was the son of God?
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I guess as Muslimah said, you have your belief, and we have ours. One thing’s for sure though, whoever turns out to be wrong, boy is he gonna be biting on his nails :)
anyone who tolerates this clearly has no love for life and ppl nd so they shouldn’t be allowed to live………life is precious and no one should be allowed to take it away……..
Just teasing, Robin! :-D I just noticed that when my comment posted, yours must’ve gone through at the same time.
The thing is, I don’t think “Zionism” is involved here at all. They were writing a message to a despised terrorist, much in the way and American bomb aimed at Bin Laden might be signed. Again, I don’t think kids should be doing it. But it appears to me, and based on the words transcribed, it is abundantly clear that there is no hatred of Arabs presented at all. I know it is implied by the main post that there is some sinister deeper meaning, but realistically, that is trying just a little too hard to find the devil under a rock.
In fact, I dare say their message is less vitriolic than the comments I’ve seen here, not just against Zionists (I am not including you, as you have made the distinction, and I know you are not an anti-semite), but against all Jews.
Perhaps it is just a reaction to the photo? That would not make much sense to me. It’s like a white man who “suddenly” becomes racist when a black man mugs him on a darkened street. Bigotry is bigotry.
Muslimah,
Works for me! :-)
My heart aches for the innocent ones and the children are the innocent ones and I can not even imagine the misery those family are facing. My prayers are with the whole country and with all the other people that feel such hate is needed. Thank you Sabbah for caring enough for the children to try and show the world what other people are going through while we think all is safe, no one is safe. With much love from the USA and all my prayers
I dont know whats going on in the word…but its disturbing.No one is saying anything to stop teh violence against the innocent lives lost.How many times in the history has teh means been gained by killing innocent people or by waging wars??But we commemorate those days where horrible acts were commited and lives were lost.Why cant our leaders think like humans, instead of as warships?Whats the point of choosing a leader for every country if all they do is wage wars or just plan for a fight?I dont care who is a muslim, jew, christian, or whatsoever.But the deads are sons, daughters, mothers, fathers,husbands!i feel helpless at not being able to do anything for the Palestenians,lebanese,israelis,iraqis,afghanis.Why cant this world be a peaceful place?WHy do i havethis loooming fear that all this upheavel is calling for a WWIII in 2-3 yrs time???
No religion teaches violence.Not even islam.Jihad is only self-defence.if you are attacked, only then you have the right to lash back.Islam prohibits killing of children and women or any innocent.And I’m sure even other religions basic foundation is PEACE. Today we are all fighting because somewhere or teh other its teh religion which is creating the rift?Which religion are we following??????? Just think about it.
Look people, there is no God. God was created to control the masses and keep them in line. Now look what a human creation, God, has done. FOR SHAME all of you, Arab, Israeli, everyone should hang their heads in shame.
As much as we’d like to think that Arabs have an instilled hatred for jews, it is evident that the school curriculum in Israel blatantly teaches racism and brainwashes young children into thinking that Arabs are evil or at the very least ANY Arab who has grieviences with the Israeli state is an enemy of the Jewish race and therefore must be hated.
To the palestinians/Lebanese, Nasrullah is seen as a hero who dares to stand up to defend the right’s and sovereignty of his country, to the Israeli’s he is a terrorist who keeps interfering with Israeli foreign policy and therefore must be branded the Bin Laden of Lebanon!…Therefore Hizbollah must die, together with the rest of the innocent civilians of the country who have no association with Hizbollah…and in fact have political differences with Nasrallah!???? More than 300 innocent people have died with the country being sent back 30 years in development – this is purely evil and the so too are evil those nations who gave the racist state the green light to continue it’s carnage and murder.
Israeli’s have had 30 people killed and still they are bombing the country into smitherines! Is the life of a jew more valuable than the life of an Arab or Muslim? If you agree yes, then you are a war mongere who who does not believe in justice, therefore nothing can make you realise what being impartial is especially when you are a racist. Little wonder why we here in the west have become targets of those grieving palestinians who have been psychologically raped of any decency. It is these very same double standards and hypocricy that will come back to the west and huant us in the guise of suicide bombers or martyredom operations!
Collective punishment to an entire community is tyranny and oppression to the civilised world. Another name for collective punishmet to a specified community is ‘progrom’. I find it amazing that the very same people who fled from the persecution of the y same Nazis are the very same people carrying out similar attrocities agaianst another helpless community. But as they say, what goes around comes around.
The State of Israel is and has always been a military occupation of Palestine since the early 1940s. The civilians who live there are a reinforcment of the military occupation who intend to reside in the occupied land till their death. This makes Hizbollah’s and Hamas’ argument legitimate in repulsing the enemy from their sovereign homeland!
Please I need to know about the source of photos. Are they from the Ap? I can’t find the source.
zakaria
For the purposes of this subject, I want you guys to know that I do not believe in any religion but I do believe in a creator of our Universe.
I think the fighting has to stop, on both sides. The Palestinians and most of the Arabs in the Middle East need to be given a reason to live. The oil rich governments need to build them an infrastructure so that they can have the opportunities the rest of the world have. The Arab people must be given a chance for an education in proper schools and colleges. The Middle East needs to form an economy besides just Oil and tourism. If most of the Arab population was kept busy with their own houses and gardens, careers, big screen TVs, and cars,then maybe the fighting would not be worth their time. AGAIN, THEY NEED TO BE GIVEN A REASON TO LIVE AND TO SUCCEED!!!
I agree that whatever these Israeli kids are writing on the missiles doesn’t look good to the rest of the world.
But, I would like to make a few points:
1). This is the only picture that I’ve seen in which Israeli children were writing messages on missiles and I think that IT LOOKS BAD AND IS TERRIBLE!! However, I have seen MANY pictures of young Palestinian children wearing fake suicide vests to show their support of the killings of Israeli civilians. It is a FACT that these pictures don’t clearly show all the writing on the missiles except for a few words such as “Nazrala with love” “From Israel and Danielle” and that the “Dear Lebanese/Palestinian/Arab/Muslim/Christians – Kids, Die with love.? is invented to try to make this picture look as bad the “suicide baby” pictures.
If you can find, please post more pictures of Israeli children that show public support for the deaths of innocent Arabs.
2) There are two big differences between the people in this conflict. Muslims have been for centuries killing one another in the name of their religion. (Just one example: Shia vs. Sunni). However, Jews have never and will never kill one another. This fact cannot be denied. I am not claiming that all Muslims are killers but that there is a lot of violence within their own people. I find that to be very alarming. I hope that I did not offend anyone but this is how I feel.
I also think if nobody bombed Israel, Israel wouldn’t bomb them. Israel just wants its own little country.
My cousin sent me your link from Ramallah. I forwarded it to my family members here with me in the USA. Just so you know, we are not completely ignorant of goings on back home, and we DO know that Palestine is occupied my Muslims, Christains, and Jews. They all hurt. We all hurt. War does not discriminate.
Allah yirhumnah. Peace.
Who knows what these kids think..? It’s no different from any parents of any country following that old line of “SUPPORT OUR MILITARY, NO MATTER WHAT”, since they are defending you from horrible people who are not like you.
The creation of Israel began in the 1700′s, or earlier, by powers of Europe who were either anti-semitic, or who felt that the Jews could not assimilate with the catholics, or other christian powers. This included some rich Jews. And that’s only a small part of the picture. With the usage of oil gaining great popularity, the middle east became prime land to seize, “by whatever means necessary”, to quote our current president GWB.
I’m not saying that Israel should be dissolved. It’s there and generations have been born & raised there. But, the atrocities of it’s leadership (& any other leaders in the world who are guilty of crimes against humanity) should be addressed & appropriate measures of justice should be sought.
The land was STOLEN by the powers of Europe, & then America, & no solution will be easy. The most disgusting ‘dirt under the nails’ belongs to the militant, heartless, greedy corporate leaders whose main goal was to steal and profit from the resourses of the area.
Leaders from all sides of this HELL ON EARTH region of the world are guilty of major crimes and Karma has her work ahead of her.
And I should also say, MY GOD SAYS EVERYBODY IS MY FAMILY!!! So I guess that means that I’ve got to forgive those in power. It’s not easy to do that, but ‘only by the grace of GOD goes I’.
Sorry for the typos…it’s late here for me. my = by*, Christians* Thanks
RE: Israeli children writing messages…..
First of all, If they were Israeli Children, they would have written their message in Hebrew. Living in Israel, and having raised three children of my own, for a short time there, I tell you that Children of this age, that are Israeli do not write their messages in English, they would have written them in Hebrew!
Let’s face it folks this is not about money,oil,weapons, it is about RELIGION. Ppl dont like muslims, thats the reason for the war, DUH!!!!
My only advice is: All of you just be good people to eachother (of all religions) and on the DOJ we will see who the winners are.
To GOD we all die and to HIM we will return.
Dear human beings,
Of course this is horrible what these children are taught by the Talmudists, (ever read the Talmud?) But you know what is worse? Infant and children Circumcision, or Male Genital Mutilation as its called nowadays…
This little absolutely helpless infant is velcroed to a plastic board called a circumstraint and the most erogenous, exquisitely erotic part of his body is cruelly cut off, the Jews do it religiously on the 8th Day, called Brith Milah, the Muslims from birth to age 14! and the Americans. And duh, guess who’s fighting the most in the middle east?!
Listen to John Lennon?s song IMAGINE, ?and no religion too?
Gandhi said, If we want to have real peace we have to start with the children, Karl Menninger said “What we do to children, they will do to society”
http://www.SexAsNatureIntendedIt.com is the most honest site, and it is not controlled by Zionists. The Jews perpetuated the myth that Circumcision started in Egypt, BS, it was started by these control freak AshkeNAZI Khazars, now eastern European fake Jews, so when we speak out against Jews, we are not being “Anti-Semitic” because they are not even Semites, they are the children of Jhapeth, and NOT Shem, and their native land is 800 miles away from Palestine Source http://www.IamtheWitness.com in a long speech by a Jew, Benjamin Freedman, who converted to Catholic Christian, and knew personally 7 American Presidents! and the big trouble they caused under the noses of the Rothschild?s (real name Meyer Amshell Bauer) They are descendents of the money lenders, its called FRACTIONAL RESERVE BANKING, and pure USARY! (Charging excessive interest fraudulently!) Check this site out, it?s honest
This is wrong, Where is the Arabs at…Lebanon and palestine calling for help people and all the arabs are just watching..untill when..I’m shamed to be an arab.
guys need to see this..
http://fromisraeltolebanon.info/
This is unfair!!! just look at these pictures and u will feel nothing but hate, disscusting and a desire to go out there and fight with lebanese and palestinians…
Please God save our children and our country,, Ameen!!!
How about showing us what they do to the israeli’s……..or is this only a one sided propaganda machine.
I think Israel should bomb the shit out of them for the years of suicide bombings, they had to endure.
E’ terrificante…mi chiedo quanto la ricerca di una visibile identit?ossa essere ancora foriera di morte.
I see that everyone here is very quick to condemn Israel over these images. It might be worth it though to check out the context of the pictures before jumping to conclusions regarding what really happened with the images, what was written, towards whom was animosity directed (and towards whom was it not directed).
This is the state of muslims when they have no Khilafa. the rigid solution is when they establish it. so be the engineers.
regards
Nothing new here. Just as the Palestinians and Lebanese strap their children up with plastic explosives and buy them a bus ticket teach them hatred I am seeing a trend of Jewish parents doing the same thing
I think Ill convert to christianity lolol
to AJ
I am proud to be a lebanese AJ, and of course Israel and Hiszbolla are in the same category. Both are destroying my beautiful country, they’re bringing us back 50 years. Lebanon has become the best tourist attraction in the middle east (at least for the arabs), and what have ISRAEL done, it has destroyed it, what has HIZBOLLA done, it has destroyed it too. so dont tell me i can put both of them in the same category. I am not talking religion here, i am talking humanity wise, both have no sense of life, both do not appreciate life. I am sorry for all those who support hizbolla, but i dont think GOD would want his children to kill each other, and dont get me started on jihad.
so AJ, please feel free to out yourself in our shoes, you have 1 building destroyed, we have 30 in return, i say GOOD JOB. im not happy at all that people are also dying in ISRAEL, but by god, no one deserves to die. so again, when i say Israel and hizbolla are in the same category, i have my very obvious reasons, and so do most lebanese.
A CHILD WILL DO WHAT YOU TELL HIM ,IN 20 YEARS THOSE CHILDREN WILL CURSE THEIR PARENTS OR WHOSOEVER MADE THEM SIGN .I TELL THEM FOR THEN ,YOU CAN LOVE YOUR COUNTRY IN EVERY BETTER WAY BUT THAT
to john
the propaganda machine is CNN, and it’s only one sided, one sided to the favor of Israel. and as the toll of death in palestine or in Lebanon, they are faaaaaaaaaar more than the toll in Israel. and you should be ashamed of yourself, wishing for more deaths whether in lebanon or palestine. you are not worthy of being called a human being. i suggest you take a dime, buy yourself a brain that could fit your microscopic head.
I believe every kid born in holy condition,,, i dont see any reason why we should hate Isrelians kids… they were born at the same condition as Paletinian… What made them to be hated?? It is the government and other elder who thaught them to do so!!!! So to adulthood, STOP WAR!!! it’s us who decide our kids gonna be… they can be evil if we want to, and be angel if we do!!!
Kids Lover!!
Tariq Ali
Thursday July 20, 2006
The Guardian
In his last interview – after the 1967 six-day war – the historian Isaac
Deutscher, whose next-of-kin had died in the Nazi camps and whose surviving
relations lived in Israel, said: “To justify or condone Israel’s wars
against the Arabs is to render Israel a very bad service indeed and harm its
own long-term interest.” Comparing Israel to Prussia, he issued a sombre
warning: “The Germans have summed up their own experience in the bitter
phrase ‘Man kann sich totseigen!’ ‘You can triumph yourself to death’.”
In Israel’s actions today we can detect many of the elements of hubris: an
imperial arrogance, a distortion of reality, an awareness of its military
superiority, the self-righteousness with which it wrecks the social
infrastructure of weaker states, and a belief in its racial superiority. The
loss of many civilian lives in Gaza and Lebanon matters less than the
capture or death of a single Israeli soldier. In this, Israeli actions are
validated by the US.
The offensive against Gaza is designed to destroy Hamas for daring to win an
election. The “international community” stood by as Gaza suffered collective
punishment. Dozens of innocents continue to die. This meant nothing to the
G8 leaders. Nothing was done.
Israeli recklessness is always green-lighted by Washington. In this case,
their interests coincide. They want to isolate and topple the Syrian regime
by securing Lebanon as an Israeli-American protectorate on the Jordanian
model. They argue this was the original design of the country. Contemporary
Lebanon, it is true, still remains in large measure the artificial creation
of French colonialism it was at the outset – a coastal band of Greater Syria
sliced off from its hinterland by Paris to form a regional client dominated
by a Maronite minority.
The country’s confessional chequerboard has never allowed an accurate
census, for fear of revealing that a substantial Muslim – today perhaps even
a Shia – majority is denied due representation in the political system.
Sectarian tensions, over-determined by the plight of refugees from
Palestine, exploded into civil war in the 1970s, providing for the entry of
Syrian troops, with tacit US approval, and their establishment there -
ostensibly as a buffer between the warring factions, and deterrent to an
Israeli takeover, on the cards with the invasions of 1978 and 1982 (when
Hizbullah did not exist).
The killing of Rafik Hariri provoked vast demonstrations by the middle
class, demanding the expulsion of the Syrians, while western organisations
arrived to assist the progress of a Cedar Revolution. Backed by threats from
Washington and Paris, the momentum was sufficient to force a Syrian
withdrawal and produce a weak government in Beirut.
But Lebanon’s factions remained spread-eagled. Hizbullah had not disarmed,
and Syria has not fallen. Washington had taken a pawn, but the castle had
still to be captured. I was in Beirut in May, when the Israeli army entered
and killed two “terrorists” from a Palestinian splinter group. The latter
responded with rockets. Israeli warplanes punished Hizbullah by dropping
over 50 bombs on its villages and headquarters near the border. The latest
Israeli offensive is designed to take the castle. Will it succeed? A
protracted colonial war lies ahead, since Hizbullah, like Hamas, has mass
support. It cannot be written off as a “terrorist” organisation. The Arab
world sees its forces as freedom fighters resisting colonial occupation.
There are 9,000 Palestinian political prisoners in Israeli gulags. That is
why Israeli soldiers are captured. Prisoner exchanges have occurred as a
result. To blame Syria and Iran for Israel’s latest offensive is frivolous.
Until the question of Palestine is resolved and Iraq’s occupation ended,
there will be no peace in the region. A “UN” force to deter Hizbullah, but
not Israel, is a nonsensical notion.
to AJ, replying to comment 228…
i re-read your comment, and i now understand that you are also lebanese!! WOW… i guess i couldn’t bellieve it the first time.
well, i just to make something clear here. i understand where you’re coming from. i really do. there is no justice in this, in any way.
the thing is, in my opinion, killing is killing. no matter who is doing it or for what reason.
it should stop NOW. i love beirut, and i wake up everyday and cry to see it burning.
i don’t care about the reasons. if politicians or religious leaders have issues, let them solve them by NEGOTIATIONS. that’s their job. and that’s it. no war is acceptable.
so to whoever is wrecking beirut i say: STOP BURNING MY BEIRUT. LEAVE US ALONE. LEAVE US IN PEACE.
Look at the center photo. On the shell on the left you can read “Nasrallah” yourself. On the shell in the middle I can tell you it says Nasrallah in Hebrew, ask any Hebrew reader. This is the recipient this girl hopes for.
But don’t let me ruin your wonderful and humane theory.
BTW – if these children are near the cannons, that means they are in the north of Israel, being shelled and killed by Hizballah just the same (only Israelis are equipped with better bomb shelters).
To all Israelies and your supporters, CUT THE FUCKIN BS.
Let history speak for it-self, we all know that you are bloody people by nature, and it really kills you to see arab advancing and developing well in this world.
for Lebanon and Palestine, they are screwing up USA and Israel plans in this region.
Hamas and Hizb Allah, are true Muslems with Aqida and this scares the west more than anything eles in the world.
As a Palestinian, take it from me, Fuck All Arab Leaders, NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVR COUNT ON THEM.
we realized this long time ago, we just want them to leave us alon, and we will take care of our issues with Israel, USA, and the west.
IT’S A WAR THAT HAS BEEN DECLARED ON ARABS AND MUSLEMS CENTURIES AGO, AND IT WILL CONTINUE AS LONG AS WE HAVE TRUE MUSLEMS (HAMAS AND HIZIB ALLAH) TO PROTECT.
For all the people who leave in Palestine and Lebanon, if you dont beleive in your cuse and willing to kill and be killed for it, GET OUT NOW NOW NOW.
GOD BLESS ALL BELEIVERS
by God.
what God is this? asking people to fight each other in his name?
Chosen People? don’t make me laugh… do you really believe that when you say it? does it not remind of a guy named Hitler saying “we are the best race”??
jihad? HAH!! ISLAM is a religion of PEACE. the word islam is derived from SALAM = PEACE. please correct me if i’m wrong.
how is this possible? how can the truth be twisted so much on both sides of the equation that people actually BELIEVE that they must fight this mad war?
my question is: how can anyone who has killed another person (or supported the killing of another person) in the name of “God” live with himslelf? honestly.
how can some people be so closed minded and brainwashed that they can’t take a step back and realize where there blind hatred has gotten them?
i’m sick and tired of people wanting to fight for GOD. i’m sick and tired of people who are arrogant enough to think they are better than others just because they were born white, or jew, or moslem, or christian, or any other thing that they had absolutely no hand in deciding for themselves.
wake up. think for yourself – take a step back and see the bigger picture, and try to see who you would have been if you had had the choice.
most importantly, leave my beirut alone. i want to go back to my country. i want my house. i want to see my friends again. i want to dance until dawn at my best friend’s wedding as i had planned. PEACE – FOR GOD’S SAKE. PEACE.
nO cOmMEnT EXCEPT hasbona ALLAh wa naam al wakeel , No one should be blamed but us all what we do is crying for 3 mins then go back to watch T.V or go to the beach, Arabs r themain reason cause we n’t good muslems cause we left such sick ppl do this to our ppl.
i am a catholic soul who strongly believes in jesus christ and god…in some respects the catholic and the muslim faith tend to clash at some point, but this..nothing has ever prepared both faiths for this..this is appauling and as a christian my heart pours for the lebanese community and also for the naive young israeli girls writing msgs to the lebanese ..i am purely in sorrow and disgust upon the israeli community to allow this behaviour to occur amongst the younger generation…GOD(Allah) does not want this!!! there should be peace and prosperity in the world!! god shall see everything and shall punnish those who go against his divinity……
Please people do not give away Haifa, Yafa, Akka and the rest of Palestine. This land is WAQF for all muslems in the world and nobody has the right to give up one cm of this holy land.
Jews are not peacefull people. its known in history that they reneg all agreements.
If you read Quran, you will understand then will know how to deal with these people
….Nel 1942 i nazisti massacravano civili inermi come vendetta per i loro ufficiali morti…
….Gli insegnamenti migliori non si scordano…….
your rage i my rage,
my rage is your rage,
my mome,
is yours.
Victor italian blogger from Milan.
http://guerrillaradio.iobloggo.com/
stay humans…
we will send the same messege to isreal , in the best time u will know who is arab kids and how they can send messege well
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I?m speechless
my tears were the only comment
i am sickened from these pics but i dont put it past the hatred of arabs that jews teach their children at birth and they say we the muslims teach our children about hatred and death. i congratulate you for in this day of anybody to fight against what isreal and america says would be either put in isrealis jails and americas gitmo i stand with you to show what the brutal assult on lebanons civilans by the jewish zionist regime. may god insallah carry hezbollah to victory because they seem to be the only people with the fight and strength to help the lebanese people live with dignity and freedom from the zionist land stealing and power hungry isreallis. may god bless the souls of the lebanese martyrs of this war and may in gods strength the hezbollah soldiers and the lebanese people overcome the jewish invasion of lebanon for yet another time in history. insallah this will be the last time isreal will be on the lebanese soil that doesnt belong to them. viva lebanon hezbollah and the palestinian resistance movement
Hi there,
Thank you very much for this blog, which is helping us know how Zionist kill the innocent and children.
It’s a great blog. Congratulations!!!
We need another Hitler indeed. Only he knows how the stop these jew’s action!! not un or f***ing usa or another!!!
Propaganda, propaganda, propaganda. I doubt anyone bothered to read the real story behind the photos that Yaakov posted (that is, the link was posted by Yaakov, not the photos). Lisa (in the link), who actually (gasp!) wanted to find out the truth (but then, what does truth really matter when there is hyper-emotionalism involved?), spoke with the photographers and journalists who were on the scene, including the photographer who snapped the pictures!
I am sorry if this sounds rude, but this post is nothing more than a crass and borderline vulgar attempt to whip people into a frenzy using misleading inferences and half-truths. Say what you like about the whole conflict. Refuse to omit photos of dead, injured Israelis. But it is shameful to try to build the case by adding contrived, non-existent meanings to these photos.
But then again, as the Israelis are frequently criticized for, the ends justify the means? ? ? ? ? right?
I dont know who you are
I dont know why you make these sickening sites
I dont know (doubt) that you will ever read my email.
Not getting too personal here are 5 reasons WHY USA must continue its aid to Israel and 5 reasons for ISRAEL to continue its actions in (YES) Occupied Palestinian territories.
1 – Israel is the only (more or less) westernised, civilized, progressive, modern, sovereign state in the middle east. Moreover many of its supporters and admirers are amongst the US senate and if other religions can make it to the US senate – please support other religions… however if a muslim comes to US senate… which of the 24 Arab countries will he support? hmmm.. difficult. there is only ONE JEWISH state in the world and 24 Muslim/Arab states.
2 – Israel pays back with HR, Tourism, Hospitality etc… The economic factor. Israel LOVES Americans!
3 – R&D Factor. Many researches and creative things happen in Israel. Mobile phone, billing, credit cards etc… were all discovered in Israel.
4 – Israel after many many years is still fighting for its existence (see Hizbollah attack). Why not to help them?
5 – Anyone in the Arab world is more then welcome to support Palestinians as against US help to Israel (which is done from Iran, Saudi, Syria etc… – even though it is mostly attacking techniques)…
Enough or you want more?
Remember – there is a word against yours ALWAYS!
5 Reasons for Israel to FIGHT PALESTINIANS:
1 – No peace plans, no initiateves were accepted. For Palestinians every step forward by Israel is a WIN and a reason to keep KILLING as they interpet it as “we killed – that is why they gave” (see Gaza, South Lebanon 2000).
2 – Palestinian people chose Hammas who does not recognize israel and FIGHTS for its full extermination (please see their website). Why would Israel care about people who want to kill every single Israeli??????
3 – Every BAD things that Israelis do to Palestinians is a direct result of the abuse of any common, acceptable, logic steps towards peace by Palestinians. See Ambulance shooting as a result of NUMEROUS attempts (some went well) to get weapon in the ambulance. See house destroying – result of using the house as an entrance to the cage where weapon is smuggled from Egypt. See killing 15 years old boy INNOCENTLY throwing stones at Israeli tank… well.. i think (hope) you got it yourself.
4 – Palestinians are not scared to die, they are prepared to be SHAHEEDS so… why bother? Why bother about their own life if they CAN NOT CHERISH IT themselves?
5 – Who are Palestinians? (Palestine is the name given by romans to the people who lived there… same people who lived in Todays Jordan and Lebanon)… so who are Palestinians? Where is Palestine and who set their national boarders and when? Does the govt. of Palestine knows what are they fighting for at all? Is it puting a state between lebanon and red sea, mid. sea and jordan and to call is Palestine?? Why? Why does the Palestinian govt. fighting for it? Why JEWS can not have a country while arabs have over 20!?! Why Jews have to fight EVERY DAY and the whole world will tend to belive that they are fighting wrongly!?
Anarchy, lack of freedom, no culture, no progess – that is what palestine is all about.
in schools they teach how to HATE JEWS in unis they learn to make explosives! they are happy to die and kill.. .that is what palestine is all about…
P.S. little girls on your site were writing to NAsralla saying that they hope he dies… saying that they hope that these bombs will teach him something… obviously you interpreted it in YOUR OWN WAY to project the BAD LITTLE JEWS…
I really really hate people like you. no knowledge, no evidence… just photos with your own agenda… simply because you are muslim or somehow related to them….
there is no MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD!!!! Otherwise syria and iran would have taken hizbollah to their states but they chose to kill lebanese people instead… nice brotherhood isnt it!?
BEST OF LUCK!
Well Lebonese civilians are dying for their choice to elect a terrorist organziation as their goverment. I find it difficult to find sorrow for that. But I do find sorrow for the death of innocent people based upon the ideolgy of the many that terrorist should run their country.
I feel bad for the civilians that are losing their lives but its hard to say wow, feel bad for them because they choose to elect someone who wanted to start wars…so they chose to live a life like a terrorist.
I think isreal shouldn’t stop. They should send a message that if you elect corrupt goverment officials with an agenda to kill then you better hope they can protect you.
Unfortuantely the USA (us) did the same thing except we have the balls to back it.By the way, we try to minimize civilian casualties, I see israel is really not caring but besides that.
I hope Israel brings Lebanon to its knees where they begin to hate Hezbolla for putting them through this. Where people start to realize that viloence begats viloence. And unless you want to live in ruin and poverty you better start to think about what they are doing and who they want to run the country.
You may hate Israel but don’t be stupid and have your poodle pick a fight with a pitbull. Don’t start something you can’t finish and then complain about it when it doesn’t work out the way you want.
Lebanon, Disarm and remove Hezbolla and live in peace!
Don’t be smart asses with Israel and then act surprised when you get butt beat.
Your setting your children up for more hate and the life that you have. Israel is not occuping you, they left in 2000, let you grow and prosper but you turned out to be a ruthless enemy. You should live in destruction. Turn from your wicked ways. Find Jesus, Do something but stop starting crap and learn from your mistakes.
If not, then live in your own destruction, writhe in your hate, swim in your agony, and wallow in your defeat, morn for your children, live with silence around you as the world turn their backs on you with their inaction. You have caused this Lebanon. You have brought destruction upon yourself.
Realize that purposfully targeting the innocent will be met by swift vengence and justice.
Learn from your farking neighbors and their mistakes… jeez
Keep the good work. God bless you.
Where in this blog can I find the pictures of young arab kids parading with explosive belts and guns in the streets? Where can I find the pictures of arab babies, “decorated” with grenades and guns? Where on this blog can I find pictures of arabs chanting “Kill all jews”? These pictures exists as well, and they show the real source of this conflict! And these pictures are worse a thousand times than pictures of girls drawing flags an grenades. You don’t show them. How sick is that?
You are complaining about pictures that show Israeli kids drawing the Israeli flag on grenades that are supposed to destroy rocket launchers? Clean up the mess in your own countries, and then you may start to point your fingers towards these kids!
I am feeling sad for Lebanon and for all peace-loving Lebanese (wich is the vast majority), but the Lebanese (politicians) decided not solve the hezbollah-problem, instead they tolerated the hezbollah attacks in the last six years. Now someone else is trying to solve that problem. Not for the Lebanese, but for its own people. Because Israeli poilticians are responsible for their own people in the first place. Welcome to the real world.
Israeli rabbis: Don’t spare civilians
By Khalid Amayreh in Hebron
Tuesday 07 September 2004, 19:47 Makka Time, 16:47 GMT
A group of prominent Jewish rabbis have asked the Israeli army not to flinch from killing Palestinian civilians in the context of the ongoing military campaign against armed groups resisting the occupation.
In a letter to the Israeli defence minister, Shaul Mofaz, published on Tuesday, the rabbis said killing enemy civilians is “normal” during the time of war and that the Israeli occupation army should never hesitate to kill non-Jewish civilians in order to save Jewish lives.
“There is no war in the world in which it is possible to delineate entirely between the population and the enemy army, neither in the US war in Iraq, the Russian war in Chechnya, nor in Israel’s war with its enemies,” the rabbis said.
The rabbis quoted a Talmudic edict, or religious ruling, stating that “our lives come first”.
“The Christian preaching of ‘turning the other cheek’ doesn’t concern us, and we will not be impressed by those who prefer the lives of our enemies to our lives,” they said.
Opposing branches
The letter was signed by a number of Israeli rabbis including Haim Druckman, a former Knesset member who heads a large religious youth movement known as the Bnei Akiva Society; Eliezer Melamed, head of a West Bank religious college; and Youval Sharlo, the head of another Talmudic college in Petah Tikva which combines Talmudic studies with active military service.
It is worth noting that many rabbis, especially within Conservative and Reform Judaism, don’t share the Orthodox and Ultra-Orthodox view of non-Jews.
But the Conservative and Reform branches of Judaism, despite their numerical superiority, have very little influence in Israel and are generally mistreated by the powerful Orthodox and Ultra-Orthodox branches, who view secular Jews as somehow less than real Jews.
Incidentally, a few months ago a prominent rabbi in the Jewish settlement of Kiryat Arbaa near Hebron issued an edict stating that non-Jewish civilians may be killed to save Jewish lives, soldiers and civilians alike.
The rabbi, Dov Lior, argued that non-Jewish lives had no sanctity, especially during the time of war.
Lior has publicly praised and eulogised Baruch Goldstein, an American Jewish settler who in 1994 mowed down 29 Arab worshippers who were praying at Hebron’s Ibrahimi Mosque.
Calling Goldstein a “great saint”, he said a “thousand non-Jewish lives are not worth a Jew’s fingernail”.
Talmudic maxim
Earlier this year, Lior enthusiastically supported the killing of Palestinian civilians in Rafah in southern Gaza, saying that “it is very clear in light of the Torah that Jewish lives are more important than non-Jewish lives”.
“The Christian preaching of ‘turning the other cheek’ doesn’t concern us, and we will not be impressed by those who prefer the lives of our enemies to our lives”
Prominent Israeli rabbis in letter to Defence Minister Shaul Mofaz
In formulating their theological positions, Lior and other like-minded rabbis rely on an old Talmudic maxim which states that it is a mitzvah (imperative religious duty) to kill enemy civilians in war time.
The same rabbis also often quote Torah verses in which God is shown instructing the ancient Israelites to annihilate the Canaanites in ancient Palestine.
Since the outbreak of al-Aqsa Intifada in September 2000, the Israeli army and paramilitary Jewish groups have killed as many as 3500 Palestinians, the bulk of them civilians, including more than 600 children and minors.
During the same period, Palestinian fighters have killed nearly a thousand Israeli soldiers, settlers and civilians.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/BB82FCC4-F4D4-495F-8637-C3008159E1C8.htm
According to Israel radio (in Hebrew) Kol Yisrael, [Shimon] Peres warned [Ariel] Sharon Wednesday that refusing to heed incessant American requests for a cease-fire with the Palestinians would endanger Israeli interests and “turn the US against us.”
At this point, a furious Sharon reportedly turned toward Peres, saying “every time we do something you tell me Americans will do this and will do that. I want to tell you something very clear, don’t worry about American pressure on Israel, we, the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it.”
The radio said Peres and other cabinet ministers warned Sharon against saying what he said in public because “it would cause us a public relations disaster.”
http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/01/10/Sharon3.html
http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=2&x_outlet=6&x_article=34
http://www.mediamonitors.net/khodr49.html
Well, last time I checked news, Nazrala was not only NOT a kid, but an adult, and he was the chief terrorist threatening Israel and being in charge for the coward kidnapping of soldiers.
It’s ok if you cannot read Hebrew, but it’s not ok if you make up headlines and jump to conclusions, when at least parts of these rockets say something different in English.
In case you can’t read it: “To Nazrala with Love from Israel and Daniele”.
Sounds much different than your fantasy. Sound much, much different than some children chanting “Death to all Jews”.
Stop making an ass of yourself and do your homework (“Philip” has shown you how to do it) before you spread these things. The crisis is bad enough already.
Few important facts to every American
Your sons and daughters are being killed in Iraq and Afghanistan because of Israel
Your taxes are on the rise because of Israel
Your gas price is increasing everyday because of Israel
The unlimited and blind US government (not people) support to Israel is what is creating more and more extremist in the world!
There are 5 Million Israelis
There are 300 million Arabs
There are 1.2 billion Muslims
… and just remind me why must Jews have a state and not Christians, Hindus, Muslims or any other? Oh and didn’t the Holy Bible state that Jesus was born in Palestine?
Well Israel & Israelis, it is time to relocate back to where you all came from!
American God!
All it says is ” To Nasralah with love from Israel”and elsewhere ” Waiting for Nasrallah from Israel”
and you make out in your headline that it is addressed to arab kids wishing them death.
You demean your own blog and you think a simple PS below the pictures solves all.
A childs reaction to the news.
Pure incitement !
What say you to Pally summer camps where they teach kids to be body bombers ?
All it says is ” To Nasralah with love from Israel”and elsewhere ” Waiting for Nasrallah from Israel”
and you make out in your headline that it is addressed to arab kids wishing them death.
You demean your own blog and you think a simple PS below the pictures solves all.
A childs reaction to the news.
Pure incitement !
What say you to Pally summer camps where they teach kids to be body bombers ?
Sabbah,
It does not say anywhere on the rockets that these children are wishing Lebanese children to die. They are wishing death to Nasrallah, a terrorist who is terrorising their home towns. Of course it is terrible that they are writing on rockets (!!) and that they are being militarised at all. But if you really care about this conflict, as I do, you must not take the liberty to demonize any side for your own demagogical uses. You must differentiate between radical terrorism on each side (and Israel is committing state terrorism undoubtedly) and the majority of the population that is more sane. Your invented caption (especially for people who do not read hebrew) creates an image of bloodthirsty children who are wishing death to innocent children, rather than an image of kids who are venting childish frustration and fear against a terrifying enemy for them. Israeli kids and Palestinian kids are just innocent pawns in this game and not little devils. Your manipulation, which demonizes these Israeli girls, just spreads more hate! Isn’t that the opposite of what you want to achieve?
i dont beleive what i see its pull shit and dont beleive there is people with israel????i dont beleive u are seeying an inesent kids they are dieying without any reason they are just kids fuck for those who say we should take out z fire of hozballah.
SAYED HASSAN is the leader for all lebanese palastinian arab muslim even christian people because he fight for his own country for his family for his own freedom let arab fight together to kill zs fucken people.
DIE IN HILL.
FUCK U BUSH,SHAROON,EVEN ARAB WHO SAYS THAT WE SHOULD STOP WAR ON ISRAEL.
AND I WISH FROM MY HEART TO DIE……….?
HANEEN
So sad…
I don’t think the photos are related, although it is highly surprising to see innocent children dedicating death even to Hezbolla’s leaders.
Apparently jews do not care for killing if it isn’t another jew.
I’ve read quite a bit of the responses here and I’m amazed at how effective the propoganda of the elite really is. These girls are doing what any kid would do if their older brothers, cousins, etc., were off to war somewhere, supposedly fighting for their people. This one Stas, is spouting out all of the pro-Israel bullcrap that’s created the present day problems in Palestine. “We’ve been suffering for over 2000 years and our God says we are the chosen people. Therefore, we deserve our own country.” Why doesn’t every religion have their own country and we’ll stop all international travel so that people won’t have to face those GODLESS heathens who are in those countries. Israel is a COLONY of the white elite in America & Europe! It is an IMPERIALIST STATE! It’s arrogant, tyrannical, iron-handed, pillaging of the middle east is a clear fact. Then, the pro-Israel white elite in America and Europe, who own the mainstream media, deceive the working class people of the world into believing that it’s an US AGAINST THEM issue.
I may have been born a catholic in the USA, but I told the hypocritical ‘evil-doers’ to go shove it years ago. I have friends who are decendants of all the main christian religions; also jewish, moslem, hindu, buddhist, and I’m sure the list goes on. When I was in 2nd grade, almost 40 years ago, we had a book in class that showed different countries in the world and the people in those countries. I remember a picture of a little boy in Lebanon. I wanted to be friends with that boy. And, I know we could have been friends. It’s those damn adults that screw everything up. People of any race, from any country will usually be good to people who come from other places, or who look a bit different. But, we still live in this primitive tribal mentality of the dark ages.
Those who are in power, anywhere in this world, are mostly insane. The ones who aren’t are like tightrope walkers. They have to be damn careful with what they say. Most of them are ridiculously materialistic and suffer from all those main sinful shortcomings that the religions preach against; greed, lust, envy, etc. Also, “vengeance is mine!”, says the elite power holding psycho. The financial power holding elite, are the ones who create our enemies. Then, for their own personal gains, in material profit, and power over the working peoples lives, they sign papers and orchestrate a media blitz of propaganda to sell a war. The most war filled book on this planet is the Bible, and the beginning of the Bible, the Torah. The Koran’s a man made book also. All of those OLD religious books are written by men and women are treated like property, and sadistically at that. Man made religions are NOT OF GOD!!!!
WAKE UP PEOPLE! Your worst enemies are the elite power holding nutcases who push for war. LOVE YOUR BROTHERS AND YOUR SISTERS. We are all related. Peace!
To Maori: I am ashamed to share New Zealand with you. You are one eyed and anti-semitic. Youre an embarassment.
I am not shocked at all by these pictures.
In this situation, a photo of a few children writing on ordinance is meaningless
The children are happily doodling in innocence. They are not emanating hate. They are not supporting death of any person other than Nasrallah. This act of producing a rather placid flag or message to their tormentor is utterly inconsequential until latched upon by those who have anti Israeli agendas.
The children’s acts are meaningless. Innocence of the children dictated their innocent message in an act of innocence because that’s what the whole innocent event was. Desire for Nasrallah’s termination = innocent desire. Desire for Nasrallah’s good health = wicked desire.
I see what is good and true. A wish for peace.
Israel had every right to defend itself, its land, its people, its existence. May they grind Nasrallah to dust as they have ground to dust the other anti Israeli aggression preceding it.
The mindless aggression of surrounding hostile peoples dictates Israel’s actions. They have returned to their homeland which was theirs to begin with, before the current arabs and various ethnic groups attached themselves.
May Israel be victorious in stamping out senseless anti-semitic aggression.
i recieved this web site froma one of my close friends… it was a fwd. i thought it was something stupit. Then when i opened it,… my jaw dropped and i couldnt stop the tears…. all i thought of was pay back or a way to stop this mess. but now that i have seen this site and read everything…well i have nothing to say… accept how and why do we sit here and let this happen… watch all this… is this what where supposed to do?…. just sit here and close are eyes and hope that this will all end?…….
this is crazy. but we all have to understand that war is not easy. ppl are ment to die in war. whether they are innocent or guilty. the better half that dies goes strate to heaven. we all kbnow its hard to lose a loved one. and tho some of these people migt not relate to us we all feel sick to our stomachs to see these photos. i admitt, i cried. and i bet alot of the other viewers did too. but do you all really think, that sending this website around the world threw email is really going to help us in anyway. it might show some american people the reall truth. and others like always will chose to ignore it and walk away. have you noticed? we are becoming more american then they are. when we see things like this we just forward it and walk away from the computer. insted of getting up on our feet and trying to figure out a way to help our countries. a little bit of anything can make a whole lot of something. “WE THE PEOPLE” can make a difference. so why is it so hard for us to start now?
For over 700 years we in Ireland fought against British Imperialism and British Terrorism in order to gain our freedom. We support the Armed struggle of the Palestinian people in their attempt to regain their land and establish their Palestinian State. Be warned Israel, the world is watching your slaughter of the innocence of Lebanon and Palestine and it will not be forgotton, our thoughts are with all the people’s of these lands who are suffering at the hands of Zionist aggression. We will continue to support you struggle in any way we can.
Salaam.
Zed, this quote is a fabrication. Not only would any intelligent person immediately recognize it as one, but this has been researched and confirmed to be false. A Palestinian propaganda arm, masquerading as a news service, sent out the bogus quote on a press release. Needless to say, it has become widely believed, though it was made up. A columnist, I forget her name, used this quote in a column. When faced with the deception, she refused to apologize, and her editors merely stated that they were not aware of the falsehood prior to printing, so no apology was necessary. Meaning: If the lie serves your interests, make it truth by convincing enough people of its truth. The group that researched it is made up of both Arabs (Muslims) and Jews. By the way, this quote is most commonly circulated amongst hate groups, both white supremacists and terrorist sympathizers.
Thus, should I believe the other stuff you quoted? Should anyone?
I have come very close to giving up on my neutrality on this issue after seeing the overwhelming willingness to deceive as a means to the goal.
Sincere thanks, Avatali! ;-)
HaNeeN,
I (insincerely) thank you for your hatred. Take a friggin’ Prozac and take an anger management class or something.
The double standard has now been confirmed. Hatred and bigotry are acceptable if you support Hamas and Hizbollah. Oh well.
[shaking dust off my feet]
I wish I were not married, and I could help with my …..
I made the mistake of naming someone else’s entry. So I’ll sum up what I said. Israel is a colony; an imperialist state. Western powers from Europe and America (white elitist corporate scum) needed this land for resources, especially oil. They grabbed on to that Zionist paranoia, looked at the Bible, and figured out a way to do it; give the jews a homeland and make sure they’re white jews and European & American jews. They didn’t need to give much thought about those Ethiopian and other off-white jews. They own the mainstream media and push the propoganda through it non-stop; i.e., arab terrorists. They turn would-be friends into enemies and orchestrate wars.
The girls in the pictures are just innocent pawns in this satanic, materialistic crime of stealing the middle east for profit & power. If there was no oil in the middle east, there would be no Israel. Israel is no friend to most of the jewish people in this world. It’s actions only make the distrust and hatred of jews more pronounced.
Your biggest enemies are the elitist scum who push for wars.
LOVE YOUR BROTHERS & SISTERS…..WE ARE ALL OF THE SAME FAMILY.
All of the religions have their extremist psychotic members, and right now they’re in power. The God that I, and many other people believe in, is a God of LOVE. All people are children of God!
The real war is the rich against everybody else.
Very very sad and depressing to see Israeli children involved in this !! I always ask myself; Why are the Jews living among millions of Arabs when they know they hate them anyway !? What kind of life Israelis they live daily !?..Constantly under war, fighting, killing, bombing.. and no moment of peace and love !!..I always ask myself What kind of support Israelis are getting from USA and Europe !?..They wish Israel to keep on fighting Arabs among them forever to keep exsisting !?..Is this support !?..If they really love Jews and wish them peace, then they can move the state of Israel to one of the USA states !!..Or maybe they prefer to KEEP THEM AWAY !!??
…someone wrote that the israeli people are also schocked when they see pics of palestinian and lebanese childs dead for the bombs…So I ask: why don’t you do something to stop your own governement from keep bombing lebanon and palestina?
I’m sure there are scared childs in Israel as well, and the people are tired of war…but than, why jews are flying no stop from all over the world to israel to live there? Do they want to live for good in a country (…) where there is no peace?http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3271593,00.html
I start to think that all this immigrants are necessary …the israel government needs people to put in the areas stoled from palestina…
I also red someone writing about new york and the arab terrorism…I advice to everyone to read “The big lie” (thierry meyssan)…just to have a different point of view of the fact…
Anotherone wrote: “Many researches and creative things happen in Israel”…I wander how can a country like palestina can be creative as well while is fighting to have still water to drink and for the coultivations because of Israel…
P.S. I’m sorry for my english…it is not my mother language…
http://www.waronlebanon.net/
http://www.stopwar.org.uk/
Jose Saramago, a portugese novelist once said: What kind of world is this that can send machines to Mars and does nothing to stop the killing of a human being?
Einstein also said: To my mind, to kill in war is not a whit better than to commit ordinary murder.
TO ISRAELIS,
stop kidding yourselves, stop defending your country, stop defending the massacre your government is doing. you should be ashamed of ourselves trying to give arguments that israel should kill people.
to those who said that israel is the most modern civilized bla bla bla country in the middle east, tell me, why isnt your so called civilized country able to have peace with the rest of the arab countries, since your so civilized that is. YOU MAKE ME SICK
now the rest of the world will know how CIVILIZED you are by killing hundreds of people, by destroying villages.
L’hiyott am khofschi b’artzenu .. Eretz T’Ziyon v’Yerushalayim !!
means to live freely on OUR land the land of Ziyon and Jerusalem !
they will not stop .. be wise you cannot stop them :)
to Bob,
do you really think that the americans would want to have a state of israel anywhere near them, are you crazy. just as you said, they want them as far away as possible. when they GAVE them the country, they thought it would be better to have them in the middle east, little they knew that they were not welcome there.
Okay i have to have my say in this i have never ever made a comment on anywar ive always kept silent but its time for me to say my say so here goes. Ive been following the news quite close lately specially when theres a conflict happening. And for the very first time ever i saw israelis pleeing to stop the war, Israelis that were bothered and pleeing to the so called terrorists women crying. I can understand their pain and suffering i really can its that saying punching a boxing bag is easy as it doesnt hit back aka Palestine, they didnt have nothing to fight back with but to be bullied and die and get miss treated. So u see israels population wasnt bothered or cared no plees to stop the war and fighting then because israel was so powerful backing of america battering already battered palestine.
Now that theyve finally met their match and their getting just as much as their giving they feel pain and suffering now, maybe now they know what the palestinians been feeling all this time.
I am happy i am fcuking happy today 2 choppers down 2 tanks down nearly 30 soldiers killed and more isreali civilians killed and scared and crying and pleeing And i hope this whole situation escalates more i hope syria and iran and iraq gets dragged into this so they all can get together and wipe israel from the face of this earth. and america is no way in the world going to come to israels rescue if it does its in the middle of iran iraq and seria and lebanon surrounded from all sides. See the news today bush already said clearly send condalisa rice send cofi anan he really aint bothered more like really outtstretched his millitary might he knows he cant win this one as hes already badly loosing in iraq and afghanistan No way is he gonna go to war where he knows he cant win and this is one of those.
ISRAEL YOUR ALL ALONE NOW YOUR SMALL YOUR WEAKENING AND SLOWLY BREAKING DOWN YOUR RUNNING OUT OF ARTILLARY YOUR AIRCRAFTS AND TANKS ARE ALREADY STARTED TO MALFUNCTION AND BE BLOWN UP YOU GOT MORE MILLITARY CASUALTIES WITHIN 2 WEEKS THAN THE OPPONENTS AND YOUR UP AGAINST 4 COUNTRYS 20 TIMES YOUR SIZE RING ANY BELLS PAY BACK TIME ITS CALLED. THE MOST STUPIDIST MISTAKE U MADE BY STARTING THIS WAR. GOOD LUCK WHY COS U NEED IT U REALLY DO.
hey i feel really terrible for this, such a trajic thing, really it is. Am i allowed to take these pictures and use them in a forward email? or is that copyright infringement.. you know, thanks
I dont know how true all this is, but one thing is certain that there is ALWAYS some element of truth in any rumour… and the stories on isreal, free mason and its plans are very famous. Some pieces of information on Mossads, by an ex-massad officer.
http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/libya.html
http://www.fpp.co.uk/BoD/Mossad/Ostrovsky.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Ostrovsky
hey, everyone, please express yourselves in english, even it it’s not the best grammar… or else we can’t understand what you’re saying!!
hey, everyone, please express yourselves in english, even it it’s not the best grammar… or else we can’t understand what you’re saying!!
yes joe, you can use the pics. try the pics on this website too
http://www.waronlebanon.net/
to all those who are afraid to use the english language to post their comments, just a reminder, we can write in arabic too.
yes joe, you can use the pics. try the pics on this website too
http://www.waronlebanon.net/
to all those who are afraid to use the english language to post their comments, just a reminder, we can write in arabic too.
Hi Everyone,
the site below has some disturbing images about what’s happening in my beautiful beirut.
we’ve reached the point where almost OVER 500,000 people (civilians, from all faiths) are displaced, and have NO FOOD or supplies what so ever. the only shipment that was sent from france is now in danger – they’re not sure if it will arrive.
prices of basic needs are rising quickly… we are reaching a serious humanitarian disaster.
whether you are Lebanese, an ex-patriot, a European, an american, a jew, a christinan, a moslem – a compassionate human being…. help us by signing this petition, and by forwarding it to as many people as you can.
look at this from a humanitarian eye, and sign the petition…
there are peace rallies happening all over the world. if you believe that what is happening is not right, join them please.
lebanon is burning, WE HAVE TO STOP THIS WAR NOW.
http://www.abouyounes.com/savelebanon.htm
peace rallies: http://www.tayyar.org/tayyar/articles.php?article_id=15603&type=news
LET POLITICIANS AND RELIGIOUS LEADERS SOLVE THEIR PROBLEMS BY NEGOTIATIONS – NOT WAR. THIS IS NOT A POLITICAL STATEMENT, THIS IS A HUMANITARIAN PLEA FOR PEACE AND LIFE.
I am a 22 year old woman from Israel.
4 years ago I refused to go to the army because of the occupation, and since then I am working in a human rights organization.
I saw the picks in your website, and of course I was horrified from what the Israeli government is doing on my behalf in Lebanon.
But as a human rights activist, and a woman living in the Middle East, I think that that you’re publishing in you website is not serving the right purpose.
If what we want is peace- and to stop the bloodshed, then both sides should see each other as human.
This stupid war is hearting innocent citizens on both sides- why don’t you have picks of Israeli children who got hit from the missals? Or picks of the Hezbollah shooting those missiles?
If judging by your picks I would think that the right thing to do is to throw an atomic bomb on Israel. But as you probably know- there are innocent people here as well, as in every country in the world.
And if we want to stop the murder, we need to sit and talk, not encouraging this demagogic “something” that just creates more hate.
I would like to know you opinion.
Sincerely
Noa
we will erase israel inshallah
noa,
First of all, I’d like to applaud you for not serving in the occupation army.
As for the photos, I’d like you to understand that these are not my photos. They were taken by a photojournalist in Israel and were published first by AP and AFP. I picked them up and published them here, at which time only when the world gave attention to them.
Now, as for the reasons that made me post them, let me list some of them:
1) It worries me to see children treating missiles as saviors. This is war, and these are tank missiles, not gift that will be received with cheers at the other side. Not cheerful at both sides, and should expect receiving similar
2) Writing messages indicates that they see them as being targeted at PEOPLE rather than installations is dehumanizing the victims (of both side), and act of racism
3) Israeli media’s efforts to underplay or ignore the Lebanese and Palestinian fatalities, whereas, the kids enjoying signing and writing messages on missiles that create the Arab fatalities
4) It represents a general dehumanization of the victims and an insult to humanity
5) It is not correct for kids minds and dehumanization which make the children believe that the tank missiles are not for Lebanese children, but for the “man with the turban” is precisely what makes wars possible
6) What Israel is doing right now is not really hurting Hizbollah, but civilians, but this is not shown in the Israeli and Western media
7) How can a child that writes on bombs retain the innocence that should be cherished in childhood? No justification is right, if a “Palestinian” or “Lebanese” child was seen doing the same, no one will ever give them an excuse
Well, Israeli soliders\army woudln’t even have to bombard any thing if it weren’t for you muslims suiciding (Jihad) and killing children and people who are not able to protect them selves.
I’m quite tired of all this B.S, the olny thing Israel is realy bombing is Hizballah\other terrorist targets, unfotunatly for the other mulsims who are not taking an “active” part in the terrorisem the terrorists usualy sround them selves with children.. so the only one to blame here
are the TERRORISTS them selves and in this case as in many, the Muslims, ask your self if what i have wrriten is true and you will find there is not even one lie in it.
i will be happy to recive emails from you, and explain to you the truth, because the muslim media is a bunch of liers.
tamir.ordeman@gmail.com
noa,
unfortunately, these pictures are the only way that the outside world will recognize and believe what is happening. you don’t see them on cnn, you don’t see them on bbc. basically, if someone told me “they are bringing down complete areas on the heads of civilians” i wouldn’t really believe it, because it is unbelievable…. would you? especially when the world propaganda doesn’t quite mention it on the lebanese or palestinian side, because apparenlty, cnn doesn’t have the “right equipment” to cover the story in lebanon. i’m lebanese, and i want peace also. i believe in talking – i hope that the people in places of power will start to believe in talking also. it’s not enough that you and i believe in it. take a look at some of the responses on this website, on all sides, and you’ll see what i mean. unfortunately.
could you give me the website of the human rights organization you’re working with.
Hey noa, if u please dont say Israel but say PALASTAIN because its name is PALASTAIN ok and I Advice u to go from where u came and ur family original country because PALASTAIN land it is for the PALASTINIAN. Then after u leave PALASTAIN talk about the peace.
I think that u didn’t saw The Massacres of Nablus and Jenin in PALASTAIN. Hope I can put this photos here to make every body not only u to see h much the Terrorism of the Jewish that they called them selfes (israel).
And this pic’s is the truth of all the jewish.
Hey noa, if u please dont say Israel but say PALASTAIN because its name is PALASTAIN ok and I Advice u to go from where u came and ur family original country because PALASTAIN land it is for the PALASTINIAN. Then after u leave PALASTAIN talk about the peace.
I think that u didn’t saw The Massacres of Nablus and Jenin in PALASTAIN. Hope I can put this photos here to make every body not only u to see h much the Terrorism of the Jewish that they called them selfes (israel).
And this pic’s is the truth of all the jewish.
According to the atomic bomb we are not going to use it but I think u r already used it in lebanon and PALASTAIN through the phosphoric bomb and other bomb not allowed to use international more Dangerous than the atomic bombs.
The background story of these terrible Pics you can find here:
http://ontheface.blogware.com/blog/_archives/2006/7/20/2142505.html
This is the Bog-Site of Lisa Goldman. She says that she has talked with one of the photographers (Mr. Schreiner/AP). Unfortunately I was not able to confirm this story because Mr. Schreiner is right now in the area and not in his office. But AP (Associated Press) Germany told me by email that these pictures are not manipulated by the journalists. This is important because Lisa says that the foreign journalists had created the atmosphere and finaly this situation. According to the statement of AP this is not true. There was no influence in any way.
I want to note that there were other 12 photographers like Pedro Ugarte, working for Associated France Press. His Picture – similar to the others – was published in a German magazine:
http://www.stern.de/politik/ausland/565930.html?nv=fs&cp=18
If the children of Israel have so much hatred and meanness in their heart, that explains why this people have been hated throughout history until to day.
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To Noa..You are a human right activist ok..But who started the fire !?..Israel did first in 1948, then in 1967, then in 1973, then 1982, and now 2006. Israel provocate Arabs all the time, because they have a green light from the USA, they have more powrfull weapon, and they like to show their muscles constantly !!..Maybe it´s becuase they love blood !?
This is shocking. Makes me cry.
But: it is not a kids behaviour. No kid this age would really like to
hurt any other kid so badly. Someone (adult) told them and encouraged them
to write on the shells. This is disgusting and the wrongest thing about it: children
who grow up in this conflict (and i mean both sides!) are badly influenced by hate
grown in generations.
And in addition: extreme violence like war is part of their daily life. They are so fragile, innocent.
Where can their souls seek shelter? What burden will they have to carry all their lifes long?
Get back to talk, stop the war!
These photos are sad and regrettable but Israelis as a society do not foster hatred for Arabs and Palestinians. Israelis have made sacrifices that no other nation in history has made in an attempt to make peace with a sworn enemy. In response, Israel has been plagued by suicide bombings, shootings, kidnappings, and now constant rocket attacks. The name “Nasrallah” is clear on the artillery shell. If a child, who has been forced into a bomb shelter for four days because of the actions and fanatical hatred of a man named Nasrallah, sends him wishes on an artillery shell, it is not indicitive of broad hatred for an entire nation of people. These kids would like to see Nasrallah, not the poor people of Lebanon, dead. That’s not such a crazy thing.
unbelievable i can’t believe u have tha audacity to say it’s a false propaganda, when the israeli media are tha masters of propaganda and manipulation and playin on words.
it’s right here infront of u i can’t even believe that they let little children near these hidious things.
and u speak of peace plz spare me the bullshit
hey this is metomizer and just fuck israeli kidz and adults and i hope that hizbolah wipes them all to hell _|_ to ever one that loves israeli and works for it like sa3ed al harireh and the arabic leaderz
Hey…
This is EXACTLY what i do not get about Isreali people.
Zionist ideology claims (as stated by an israeli minister) “All Arabs are insects and should be crushed”. But nah i doubt thats a sign of hatred on Israels part is it?
All they did was illegally occupy palestinian land. I mean why would the muslim world hate something like that?
Palestinians get tortured, humiliated and murdered every single day regardless of their age or affiliation. For all those that claim its self defence… you do not defend yourself if your the aggressor to start with.
This message isnt to one Israeli person, its to all of them reading this.
Regardless of what the message on the rockets are, they end up blowing up lebanese homes and killing lebanese children. So does it matter who the missle is addressing?!!
To All those who claim that Israel is all innocent and peaceful, the arab world isn’t stupid. They’re not gonna hate someone without reason. In Israels case, i think they’ve earned every bit of hate possible.
P.S. to quote from one of revolutionaries of the zionist ideology: “…impose the Jewish presence on the Arabs by force of arms until eventually they come to accept it…” Still seriously considering Israel as the people that are being terrorized?
To this low class Russian jew; Your message in Russian shows what kind of a human being you are !!..What in the hell are you doing in Israel anyway. This is not your country, you came to Israel to live a better life than you had in Russia, but you´ll not get it.
The pictures are NOT propaganda..Are you blind !?..Go back home to Russia and shut up, you don´t belong there !!..If you love Israel go to the borders of Lebanon and fight, so I can pray you´ll get a racket on your head together with the others from Hizballah !!
Thank you for having a blog. Love from ignorant Norway. New at blogging. But I see internet is the future, really. And mountain hikes, ecological farming and boattrips. But not closing our scandinavian eares because we’re all out of trouble ourselves. Except from having too much money, choise and escapism, and such an excluding selfcontrol. Excluding our responsebilities in UN in 48 and so on.
Arithmetic of Pain
| July 20, 2006 | Alan M. Dershowitz
There is no democracy in the world that should tolerate missiles being fired at its cities without taking every reasonable step to stop the attacks. The big question raised by Israel’s military actions in Lebanon is what is “reasonable.” The answer, according to the laws of war, is that it is reasonable to attack military targets, so long as every effort is made to reduce civilian casualties. If the objectives cannot be achieved without some civilian casualties, these must be “proportional” to the civilian casualties that would be prevented by the military action.
This is all well and good for democratic nations that deliberately locate their military bases away from civilian population centers. Israel has its air force, nuclear facilities and large army bases in locations as remote as anything can be in that country. It is possible for an enemy to attack Israeli military targets without inflicting “collateral damage” on its civilian population. Hezbollah and Hamas, by contrast, deliberately operate military wings out of densely populated areas. They launch antipersonnel missiles with ball-bearing shrapnel, designed by Syria and Iran to maximize civilian casualties, and then hide from retaliation by living among civilians. If Israel decides not to go after them for fear of harming civilians, the terrorists win by continuing to have free rein in attacking civilians with rockets. If Israel does attack, and causes civilian casualties, the terrorists win a propaganda victory: The international community pounces on Israel for its “disproportionate” response. This chorus of condemnation actually encourages the terrorists to operate from civilian areas.
While Israel does everything reasonable to minimize civilian casualties – not always with success – Hezbollah and Hamas want to maximize civilian casualties on both sides. Islamic terrorists, a diplomat commented years ago, “have mastered the harsh arithmetic of pain. . . . Palestinian casualties play in their favor and Israeli casualties play in their favor.” These are groups that send children to die as suicide bombers, sometimes without the child knowing that he is being sacrificed. Two years ago, an 11-year-old was paid to take a parcel through Israeli security. Unbeknownst to him, it contained a bomb that was to be detonated remotely. (Fortunately the plot was foiled.)
This misuse of civilians as shields and swords requires a reassessment of the laws of war. The distinction between combatants and civilians – easy when combatants were uniformed members of armies that fought on battlefields distant from civilian centers – is more difficult in the present context. Now, there is a continuum of “civilianality”: Near the most civilian end of this continuum are the pure innocents – babies, hostages and others completely uninvolved; at the more combatant end are civilians who willingly harbor terrorists, provide material resources and serve as human shields; in the middle are those who support the terrorists politically, or spiritually.
The laws of war and the rules of morality must adapt to these realities. An analogy to domestic criminal law is instructive: A bank robber who takes a teller hostage and fires at police from behind his human shield is guilty of murder if they, in an effort to stop the robber from shooting, accidentally kill the hostage. The same should be true of terrorists who use civilians as shields from behind whom they fire their rockets. The terrorists must be held legally and morally responsible for the deaths of the civilians, even if the direct physical cause was an Israeli rocket aimed at those targeting Israeli citizens.
Israel must be allowed to finish the fight that Hamas and Hezbollah started, even if that means civilian casualties in Gaza and Lebanon. A democracy is entitled to prefer the lives of its own innocents over the lives of the civilians of an aggressor, especially if the latter group contains many who are complicit in terrorism. Israel will – and should – take every precaution to minimize civilian casualties on the other side. On July 16, Hasan Nasrallah, the head of Hezbollah, announced there will be new “surprises,” and the Aska Martyrs Brigade said that it had developed chemical and biological weapons that could be added to its rockets. Should Israel not be allowed to pre-empt their use?
Israel left Lebanon in 2000 and Gaza in 2005. These are not “occupied” territories. Yet they serve as launching pads for attacks on Israeli civilians. Occupation does not cause terrorism, then, but terrorism seems to cause occupation. If Israel is not to reoccupy to prevent terrorism, the Lebanese government and the Palestinian Authority must ensure that these regions cease to be terrorist safe havens.
Who’s Really
Killing Iraqis?
The Real 2006
‘Iraq Body Count’
Iraqi civilians killed this year by Islamic Terrorists
4,956
Iraqi civilians killed collaterally by Americans
48*
*Source: IraqBodyCount.net (includes civilians caught in crossfire who may have been killed by the terrorists)
Monthly Jihad Report
(June, 2006)
Jihad Attacks:
212
Dead Bodies:
762
Critically Injured:
1201
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
Killers slit throats of mom, 3 children
Baghdad family had fled to Basra to escape threats
By Bassem Mroue
Associated Press
Published July 20, 2006
BAGHDAD — Assailants slit the throats of a mother and her three children Wednesday in southern Iraq, where the family had fled to escape threats that they had cooperated with the Americans.
The mother’s sister also was slain in the savage attack, which occurred in an apartment in the southern city of Basra, police said. Five other family members were rescued before they could bleed to death.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0607200221jul20,1,5263523.story?coll=chi-newsnationworld-hed
It’s all about Iraq/The Jooooz, isn’t it?
Yep, it’s all about Iraq/Zionism and…
India and the Sudan and Algeria and Afghanistan and New York and Pakistan and Israel and Russia and Chechnya and the Philippines and Indonesia and Nigeria and England and Thailand and Spain and Egypt and Bangladesh and Saudi Arabia and Ingushetia and Dagestan and Turkey and Kabardino-Balkaria and Morocco and Yemen and Lebanon and France and Uzbekistan and Gaza and Tunisia and Kosovo and Bosnia and Mauritania and Kenya and Eritrea and Syria and Somalia and California and Kuwait and Virginia and Ethiopia and Iran and Jordan and United Arab Emirates and Louisiana and Texas and Tanzania and Germany and Pennsylvania and Belgium and Denmark and East Timor and Qatar and Maryland and Tajikistan and the Netherlands and Scotland and Chad and Canada and…
…and pretty much wherever Muslims believe their religion tells them to:
“Fight and slay the Unbelievers wherever ye find them. Seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war.”
Qur’an, Sura 9:5
this is sick, regardless of what religion the kids are they are still just children. adults shouldn’t learn them to hate. the sadest thing is that no one is that the fools who are fighting doesn’t get hurt, it’s the civilians who doesn’t have any power to do or say anything.
PEACE, LOVE AND UNDERSTANDING, that’s what the kids should be learning!
Dear Noa,
What you’re saying moves me. The working people of the world need to open their minds and realize that there are victems on both sides. The leaders and the corporate elite are the problems. They use absolute bullsh** propoganda to push one group of people against another and to keep the fear element up on all sides; that is, with the working class people.
Read your Torah, Bible, Koran, etc., and read it with an open mind and analyze it yourself. I think that if people keep an objective, critical outlook on what they read, they will be thrown back at the primitive, violent nature of these books that only help certain people say they know what GOD wants. And therefore, gain power over other peoples lives. PEOPLE ORCHESTRATE WARS! I, and many others believe in a God of LOVE.
Peace.
Right after 9/11 i saw the pictures of children in the west bank excited and happy that americans were killed in such large numbers. It made me sick that their parents taught such hate. It was taken off our TV’s shortly after never to be talked about again. I do not think the children in thses pictures are happy about killing other children or even civilians. (The children in the West bank clearly were.) Israel has been trying to live with these people for years. The other side will accept nothing but the murder of every person in Israel. There is no middle ground no two state solution the other side wants it all. In the end and it is sad Israel will have to kill them all. What a great world we live in.
Hey Metomizer?
The Ku Klux Klan called. They want their computer back. Their hood, too.
Dear Haitham:
You are doing one the greatest form of Jihad by exposing the evil of Zionism and their American evil supportes. Continue doing the great service you’re doing, and may the Almighty God continue to help you and protect you from the truth-haters who might want to hurt you!
FUCKING JEWS!!!!!!!!
Hi, Let MR. Bush see what kind of people he is protecting….teach the kids to kill people …It is time to let all people over the world discover the big lie of Israel and its plan to kill all the arab nations…It is Bush and the american management mistakes and faults.. they are the responsible of the worst masacre of the year of 2006
Hi, Let MR. Bush see what kind of people he is protecting….teach the kids to kill people …It is time to let all people over the world discover the big lie of Israel and its plan to kill all the arab nations…It is Bush and the american management mistakes and faults.. they are the responsible of the worst masacre of the year of 2006
Hey Israeli… don’t lie on yourself… be sincere with yourself… you start the war and killed Hundred of Palestinian and lebanease people… don’t lie on yourself… say that you are killer.. you want to build your country on the body of region citizens…
Hey Israeli… don’t lie on yourself… be sincere with yourself… you start the war and killed Hundred of Palestinian and lebanease people… don’t lie on yourself… say that you are killer.. you want to build your country on the body of region citizens…
It’s really terible, but the problem is from both sides the miliary wings, not from Arab of Israeli children.Those who on author Israeli and Palastine leader they are so stupid and bloody. They don’t have human feeling just they are wild even more. (both of them)
our region has seen violence and bloodeshed for a long long time.
i think we should learn that we will accomplish nothing by war. it is not the way. we have to accept the fact that apparenlty moslems, chrisitians and jews will never like each other. we have to face that fact.
i invite everyone to try to find solutions to our problem, instead of dwelling on the reasons and on hatred. i think we should all think of creative ways to be able to accept each other, without necessarily agreeing with each other… we should find a way to live in peace. agree to disagree, but not kill each other for it!!!
PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE
STOP THE WARS…
God is great, Palistine, libanon and Irak will be free soon or later.
We are peaceful people not like those who sends the bombs on the children, women and old people.
We are the winners, we are the futur.
THAT DOES IT, i can understand that Israel hit the Manar TV station which is the Hezbolla station, but to hit the transmission antennas of other neutral lebanese tv and radio stations, that is really LOW. what are they trying to do, alienate us, maybe they dont want the local lebanese tv stations to transmit to the rest of the world the israeli atrocities. This is not possible, why would israel do this, why why why. we are being annihilated, typical zionism. god will not forgive you, your day will come.
To haytham
ya haytham, it’s starting to get really hard to scroll down this page since there are so many posts. sometimes we have to go back and check our last post. maybe you can divide them into pages or days, maybe every 2 days on 1 page. ya3tik alf 3afyeh, very nice blog
Carla,
I truly understand your concern. This problem has happened few times before with other post here, and I tried to fix it using some plugins that works with WP (I hope you know what I?m talking about, since I see you have a website too), but the problem was that that solution does need a lot of styling work to fit my blog. Unfortunately, I don?t have that spare time.
I can?t promise you, but I?ll look around tonight and see if I get some solution.
Thanks for voicing your concern. Much appreciated.
To Dima,
muslems and chrisitians do not have a problem with each others, actualy they are very united, such as palestine.
however, JEWS are creating these problems btween Muslems and Chrisitians, and if you look back to history you will find that the only time they had problems, it was because of the Jews who created those problems.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE let’s not get emotional and mix up the facts
Israel Markavas and war plans do not discriminate between Muslems and Chrisitians.
Lool at palestine you will see the unity.
Saudi give money to USA (Cheap Oil) =>
USA give High Technology to Jews =>
Jews bombard Lebanon and Palastine =====>
Arabs Kill Arabs and US and Jews are innocent.
Regards
Arabi
http://fromisraeltolebanon.info
see this site and then say for me isreal is not a killer.
They are just a kids??
really shame on what we are watching??
HaNeeN
thanks ali,
i do know the unity between the christians and moslems in palestine. unfortunately we’re not yet there in lebanon. we are on the way, but not quite there. i hope we get to where you are very soon. please consider my last comment to be: (christian/moslem)and jews. once more, i invite everyone to find solutions, not look at history and re-invent the problems.
GOD Almighty likes not the uttering of unseemly speech in public, except on the part of one who is being wronged. Verily,GOD
Almighty is All-Hearing, All-Knowing. This is the right way to deal with people around you, it is realy very wrong to raise up innocent kids with such amount of hatred, what would be the future of them and those who are supposed to be killed, in such environment it is true that their talk about peace is a sort of self-cheating besides cheating others. I,am sure that with such attitude their future will be very dull exactly like their bad inner intentions.
In response to J. who seems to vehmently defend the “kind of kids” the Israels are raising. You forgot they are raising murderers and cut throat criminals who invade neighbor lannds and massacre civilians, they are raising savages that drive bulldozers into occupied homes and collapse them on families and little children. They are raising monsters of children that are actually enjoying sending bombs to kill people, it’s a game to them. And don’t forget that with their criminal, terrorist actions, across all their borders, they are raising fighters, that may not have weapons but their bodies and after viewing all their families and friends viciously murdered most times in cold blood ifront of their little eyes , will have nowhere to go and nothing to look forward to but revenge. They will run into the nearest building and blow themselves up. And we call them malicious! Do wake up, this absurd disregard for the truth is disgusting, get the real picture and speak the truth or spare everyone your ignorance(not meant at J. but everyone who chooeses to ignore the plain as daylight truth.)
Israel may see this picture :’(
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Israel is occupying Shiba in southern Lebanon AND West Bank in Palestine , so BOTH Palestinian and Lebanese have the right to fight to free their country- THIS IS WHAT ALL THE WORLD TRY TO FORGET( SEE UN resulation 242)
this is the trueth and the whole world should know it
G.W. Bush should know the history of the middle east before saying the bull shit and he should stop acting stupid ( I am sorry , he is not acting . he is sooooooooooo stupid)
PEACE???!!!
I was born in the west bank, palestine, and leaved to be 17 before i left to USA for education and work. i was away for 9 years, came back to Palestine after Oslo was signed in 1995 full of hope to start my own business in Palestine and help bulding and developing my country.
unfortunately,i was very surprised of what i was seeing and what was happening on the ground.
-After Oslo was signed in Washington DC, Rabin, Prime Minister of Israel at that time, when arrived to Israel, he went directly from the airport to Jerusalem and put the corner stone of Givat Zaev satelment-Mostawtaneh- on the east side of Jerusalem.
-Statisticaly, Israel has build 10s of satelments and increased the number of satlers in the west bank 4 times after oslo was signed.
Palestinians were seeing the enlargment of already existing satelments.
-More land has been confiscated after Oslo, than from 1967-1995.
-Gaza was seperated from the west bank after Oslo.
-More peolpe arrested.
-more killed.
Then, Israeli terrorist Killed Rabin because he was thinking or even concidering returninig land to Palestinians.
-economy was getting really bad.
then Intifada.
Israel is A DEMOCTATIC JEWISH STATE. only for jews.
Let’s be realestic:
Israel dose not want peace, they want land without people, and they will do whatever it taks to get the people out.
Therfore, any resistance to this program will be faced with war from israel.
Israel had many oportunaties to make peace with the Arabs, but always rejected and waged war, like what happened in 2002 when the arab summit in Lebanon offered Israel complite and comprehensive peace if israel withdraw to 1967 borders, and israel replyed with war on the Palestinian and invaded the west bank and reoccupied the west bank, which actually was colonizing it, economically, socially, educationaly, borders, movements……etc.
Believe me, these people are bloody.
The only way to make peace with those people, is only if you are more powefull than them. NO WARENTEES.
SO, PLEASE STOP THINKING THAT PEACE IS POSSIBLE WITH THESE PEOPLE, it’s not in their culture.
God Bless Hamas and Nasrallah
Yoooo ??????, what the hell do you think you’re doing. You think you’re so slick writing in whatever language this is, russian or other. You wanna know what I think, i think:
ennak wahad bala asel, bala mokh, ma btehterim hadan, wou el hay2a ennak yahoudi zeft, ma assaro fikoun el naziyyeen. mnih enno atalo mleyeenn minkoun, wa ella ken el 3alam bi kerse akbar hallak.
what do you think about that, huh?
??????,
for your own information, israel DID strike first. oh, by the way, very easy to translate the text to english. maybe you should read more and listen to more news to know the facts.
i dare you to know what i wrote (unless you know someone who speaks arabic, lebanese dialect to be more specific, and i hope you do, cos what i said wasnt nice at all)
I am sick and tired from those Israelis..Do those people have anything else in their daily life than war and killing !?..Why we Lebanese should suffer just because Israel have the power to turn our lives to hell !!..I think Arabs, and specially Syria and Iran should physically support Hizballah right now before it´s too late !!..If they don´t, then I think Syria and Iran have a “dirty” hand in destroying Lebanon and Hizballah !!..I only pray IF Hizballah will lose this battle, that they take with them many Israeli soldiers lives, so their mothers taste the pain like we do !!..Nasrallah, God be with you !! You are the only honest Arab after Jamal Abdel Nasser !! Syria, Iran and the rest of the Arabs; SHAME ON YOU..YOU HAVE NO HONOR AND DIGNITY !!
Dear Friends, dear citizens of Earth. I know we are all shocked by images coming from Lebanon and Palestine on hourly bases, sending chills up our spines. America and the west justify their support for Israel by tagging other nationals who are in oppose to their imperialistic policies as terrorists and terror supporter.
Really is their any difference between Iran sending the poor Lebanon?s people some arms and America expediting its shipment of advanced weapons to kill more innocent people?
Free people of this world will know what side they should be! And who are the real terror masters on Earth.
We are all sad, mad, exhausted but the real solution is uprising against this war, we all unite we can crush Israel and its mother America. We need to put an end to this true axis of evils.
SALAM..
Ana min il brasil..
hal 3alam abi mutu..ua israel ua bush.ua onu..ma bi hemon shi..
i mutu hono ma biehtamon..
ne7na lazem nd3e la Alah ia i sa3edon ua i da5elon il jene..
ua ned3i ia Alah ie7mihon kolon il sh3b il 3arab…
iala Alah maakon
salam ua alaikon
SALAM
PAZ
PEACE
i am Lebanese living in Lebanon … yes still alive and well …
i say to all the israely ppl since the creation of the “state of israel” the doors of hell were opened you are the devil and the hell on earth …. you are doomed and God will defenetly punish you one day for all the killing all the human crimes all the devivish things you have done you are hell on earth you are nothing but full of hatred murderers …. i use to be a peacefyll believer in love and peace but i think with killers like the israely state we can only pray God to punish the israely th hardest way !!! go back to the old testement and read it well you unbelievers and killers blood sukers do read and see what did God say to moise when your ppl were going to enter the promised land … you are a doomed population …. i watched my beautiful country Lebanon distroyed by the develish hand of the israely you know why ??? because u israely ppl are jalous of lebanon cause its is a rich country rich with Gods blessings while you are nothing but a tool of death … all the money you get from the devil americains all the construction the weapon the power you get will not make u 1% as good as Lebanon …. you may distroy us and keep distroying but WE ARE THE LAND OF ALL RELIGION we are under the protection of God … u are evil EVIL …God will punish you israel again and again and again this is his promise to you go read the old testement you are a doomed population cause you are nothing but evil …you will never live in peace no matter the killing and distruction you spread around you GOD will never give you peace you killers … repent repent repent !!!! repent today maybe God will have mercy on you !!! today i raise my prayers and ask God for justice ….. but as a human as a lebanese that had to witness the unhuman systemetic kiiling of children for years and years to have witness the criminal injustice of the israely nation i say may israel burn in endless hell you are the source of misery and death you do not diserve to existe !
http://stopdestroyinglebanon.com/WarOnLebanon/nfblog/?page_id=3
Come on, come on! Let the bigotry fly!
Not all opposed to Zionism as a philosophy are anti-semites. Ah, but how the true colors of the majority of those hiding behind the mask of anti-zionism show, how they flow across these comments.
Mr. Hitler would be proud to see so many non-”aryans” doing his dirty work for him. Let it be known that I don’t agree with all of Israel’s actions nor tactics. But I also don’t long for the sight of blood-covered yarmulkes like the bulk of these commenters.
Keep calling on God to bless Hizbollah. Call out loud, shout it at the top of your lungs. Just don’t be surprised when at the end of the day, you are left with a dry throat, your voice all but gone, and the startling realization that you are calling on God to bless a bunch of murderers and thugs. And you find that he won’t put your hatred into divine action.
Until you stop heaping admiration on devils like Hizbollah, Hamas and their other terrorist gangs, don’t cry injustice.
But will you stop? No. I will check back here tomorrow and see another long list of racist, bigoted comments.
siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh?
To Philip, How can you call Hizballah terrorists !?..They never ever did any terror action !!..You call brave men defending their homeland terrorists ?, just because they are fighting Israelis who steal our water and even the earth for planting, and they provcate our borders constantly and kidnap innocent civilians and throw them in jails whenever they wish !!..Hizballah are more far merciful, honest, and at least fighting for their country !!..Israelis are fighting to steal more land for the Jews coming from everywhere, who never saw Israel before and then they call it their homeland !?..Destroying a whole country, killing innocent civilians because of 2 Israeli soldiers, and you support Israelis as well !!??..You and all the others who support Israel are the real DEVILS on earth. God bless Hizballah !!
Dear Guys,
IZA BIDKUM TA3ARAFO EL MAZBOOT, LA IQRAOO HADA – WO LAKEN ANA RA7 AKTOB FI ENGLEZ 3ASHAN KOOL WA7AD RA7 YAFHAM:
1. don’t read this if u hate to hear the truth.
2. LEARN YOURSELVES: This blog and its commentary is a perfect example of the basic human nature – we can only see the hatered in others, never in us – everyone here are SO SHOCKED by war pictures, you poor creatures, as if u came straight from the damn Vatican, your countries never wagged any war, and you yourselves have never commited a single sin.
3. LEARN THE FACTS: these girls are sending a special gift to nazrallah, because THEY HAVE BEEN SUFFERING for 6 damn years from him and his company, since Israel had left Lebanon in 2000. Missiles are a common place in their town, they wake up and go to sleep in fear – can u blame them for feeling some relief when Israel is finally reacting to this threat?
4. LEARN TO READ: the girls are writing the word “nazrallah” and not “kids” – but I believe u can read alright, the problem is you don’t understand, and most of all – ALL OF YOU R FULL OF HATERED, what makes you see what doesn’t exist.
5. ISRAEL: The area between Lebanon and Egypt is called ISRAEL – and unlike some of you, I DONT THINK THIS COUNTRY belongs only to Israelies, and I wish I had more arab neighbors who believe in living together.
But you’d rather die and kill me than live beside me. your MOQAWAMA is more important to you than your lives, you say, so what have you got to complain about??!!
MA3 SALAME, Gil.
To find the answer of your questions search google for:
“Bush blame israel”
“Bush blames israel”
“Bush blamed israel”
“Bush will blame israel”
… etc
In 1400 there was no western invasion in the middle-east.
In 1970 there was no western invasion.
In 1947 there was nothing called Jews state.
When??? there is nothing called Jews state.
Regards,
If the Jews call any one terrorist then the other world should called them so.
If the other world didn’t do so, then they themselves are terrorists and anti-semites.
The other (inferior) world (no matter how they think of themselves) should see an believe what the Jews see and believe.
We (the inferiors) should obey the Jews because they own us.
Hooray Jews (Can I be one of you???)
Regards,
To philip,
i do hope you see the longest list of bigoted racist comments EVER, you wanna know why, because you still think israel is not in the same category of hezbolla. I am lebanese, and i do acknowledge the fact that hamas or hezbolla are terrorits, but at least i ask myself why and try to understand them, maybe there is a good cause, and believe me THERE IS. you sit behind ur computer, making mocking and scorning remarks, when im sure you havent been engaged in any war or at least seen with your own eyes the devastations of war. we are children of war, we lost family members, friends and loved ones. i hope you can start to remotely imagine someone trying to take your country, or better yet, already taken it, then what would you think.
no matter what happens, we all should stick together, to stop this outrage. then again, tell me, howcome israelis around the world, and especially in Tel Aviv, are protesting against this war? funny, even your fellow compatriots think what israel is doing is appalling and horrendous. don’t you?
if it was Lebanese children signing Hezbollah rockets the pictures would be shown in all of the western newspapers and t.v, and also when 2 Isreali civilians die it is breaking news and is shown over and over again on the news, whereas when 50 innocent lebanese are killed it is not mentioned..
The only language that Israeli understand is the power ,regardless what whosoever
Say .it’s quite difficult for them to stop killing innocent’s. they believe that they are the only nation they have right to survive. over 85% of these Israelis they supporting Israel government in 100% but I believe also that we having here in the middle east Turning point and soon the Israeli they Will lose everything they have been built of hatred, hate crime and the killing of innocent people that everyone had read the history he know defiantly that Israel will end and I sure the innocent’s will not wait for long .
resistance and struggle will not die and occupation will go and disappear and the demise of the State of Israel is inevitable and their crimes has proved they haven’t keep any hope even for them self when the power will change .Israeli’s such stupid people
I am sure that united state will abandon Israel, but will be late on Israel I am sweared by god that what will happen that something inevitable ,hey Israeli’s open your ayes
We cant blame the israel because
1- they are the enemy
2- they want to kill
3- they like blood
let’s take a miror a look at our self we the arabs what we do against this genoside in lebanon , arabs tv playing music movies normal radio station live normal. ksa king ,jordan king , egypt president give go ahead to israel for finish hizbollah in lebanon
so how you blame the enemy ..blame your self first ..arab sleep arab. long life lebanon long live hizbollah
” ? Not Israel this time has struck the first, and its neighbours who after abduction Israeli the soldier have arranged joyful, victorious dancings in streets of Gaza and Beirut. Israel did not begin to appeal neither to heavens, nor to the international community, and has simply answered impact by impact. And on the Israeli ground rockets are torn today and peace inhabitants perish, but somebody has heard calls for help from Israel? There it is simple, having compressed a teeth, persistently fight. And here reaction of Lebanon and Palestin other.Having received delivery, they have instantly replaced celebratory dancings with moamings and have started to appeal there and then about the help to the world community. These moamings, it is hundredfold TV repeated for the whole world, can psychologically influence on associates. Also influence.On not able to think the head, and under influence of propagation.
No existe justificaci????lguna para tanta violencia. Independientemente de las razones que Israel y/o L?no tenga, no debe realizar actos tan atroces como esto!!!!! Son im?nes dif?l de aceptar. Solo queda Rezar para que esta guerra termine, rezar por el perd???? la indulgencia de los autores de semejante masacre y rezar por todas las almas de los que perdieron la vida.
I did not claim to support what Israel is doing. I do to a degree, because groups like Hizbollah have to be dealt with, and the only way to do so, sadly, is militarily. And Hizbollah does not mourn the loss of civilians. That is their best PR! Hate groups always operate this way. They claim advocacy and proceed to throw those they advocate into harm’s way. Then when the inevitable occurs, they show blown-up, burned bodies, injured and dead civilians, and they say, “See? See why you need us?” It’s sick. And Gil is right. Israelis have been dealing with crap being thrown at them intending specifically to kill civilians. When Hizbollah attacks, there is no “sad reality of war.” There is only the wretched desire to see a bunch of dead Jews. The Lebanese military can defend Lebanon when needed. Hizbollah is not there to serve that role, and every single Lebanese knows that (including a friend of mine who has Lebanese background and confirms this). Hizbollah is there to destroy Israel and kill as many “filthy Jews” as they can.
And, by the way, I am not going debate the legitimacy of Israel’s existence. The argument is useless and irrelevant. Israel does exist, and whether you like it or not, they are an independent nation. Whether you like that they are there or not means nothing to me. The fact is, and remains, that Hizbollah is a terrorist group and that their primary targets are civilians. If you quote a bunch of numbers to me regarding civilian casualties, it means you have missed the point. The number of casualties is disproportionate only in comparison to firepower. The very nature of the bombs Hizbollah is firing into Israel is for civilian loss.
By the way, since no one knows how to follow a link, I have copied and pasted (pacifist) Lisa’s explanation (truth) about the photos here, in edited form. To read the rest, click here.:
“I phoned Sebastian Scheiner, the Israeli photojournalist who took the photo for Associated Press (AP), explained that the image had given a really terrible impression and asked for the context. He sketched it out quickly and fluidly, but asked me not to quote him. So I spoke with Shelly Paz, a Yedioth Ahronoth reporter who was also at the scene and agreed immediately to go on record. She was quite shocked to learn how badly the photo had been misinterpreted and misrepresented; and she told me the same story Sebastian did, but with more details and nuance.
The little girls shown drawing with felt markers on the tank missiles are residents of Kiryat Shmona, which is right on the border with Lebanon?
Kiryat Shmona has been under constant bombardment from South Lebanon since the first day of the conflict. It was a ghost town, explained Shelly. ?[T] he few who had neither the funds nor connections that would allow them to escape the missiles crashing and booming on their town day and night [remained]. The noise was terrifying, people were dying outside, the kids were scared out of their minds and they had been told over and over that some man named Nasrallah was responsible for their having to cower underground for days on end.
On the day that photo was taken, the girls had emerged from the underground bomb shelters for the first time in five days. A new army unit had just arrived in the town and was preparing to shell the area across the border. The unit attracted the attention of twelve photojournalists – Israeli and foreign. The girls and their families gathered around to check out the big attraction in the small town – foreigners. They were relieved and probably a little giddy at being outside in the fresh air for the first time in days. They were probably happy to talk to people. And they enjoyed the attention of the photographers.
Apparently one or some of the parents wrote messages in Hebrew and English on the tank shells to Nasrallah. “To Nasrallah with love,” they wrote to the man whose name was for them a devilish image on television – the man who mockingly told Israelis, via speeches that were broadcast on Al Manar and Israeli television, that Hezbollah was preparing to launch even more missiles at them. That he was happy they were suffering.
The photograpers gathered around. Twelve of them. ? Photographers look for striking images, and what is more striking than pretty, innocent little girls contrasted with the ugliness of war? The camera shutters clicked away, and I guess those kids must have felt like stars, especially since the diversion came after they’d been alternately bored and terrified as they waited out the shelling in their bomb shelters.
Shelly emphasized several times that none of the parents or children had expressed any hatred toward the Lebanese people. No-one expressed any satisfaction at knowing that Lebanese were dying – just as Israelis are dying. Their messages were directed at Nasrallah.
?And besides, none of those children had seen images of dead people – either Israeli or Lebanese. Israeli television doesn’t broadcast them, nor do the newspapers print them. Even when there were suicide bombings in Israel several times a week for months, none of the Israeli media published gory photos of dead or wounded people. It’s a red line in Israel. Do not show dead, bleeding, torn up bodies because the families of the dead will suffer and children will have nightmares. And because it is just in bad taste to use suffering for propaganda purposes.” (emphasis mine [Philip's])
Pardon the French, but this Mr. “Philip” sounds like a stinkin’ Zionist. Only a retard will be making excuses for what Israel is currently doing.
- MENJ
please do not try to defend anyone who kill innocent people.
such things being done by both israel and nazrallah are not acceptable.
some words for nazrallah: if he were a muslim(or human),he could not kill innocent civilian people. he is a terrorist. and terrorist does not have any religion. by keeping those israel soldiers, he shares the sin of killing people in lebanon.
some words for israel authorized: israel must stop provocating! throwing before bombs is unreasonable. they must stop this war and begin to explain what they want. they should not choose to kill children. we already know that the conditions in which palestinians live are not comfordable. palestinians deserve their country, israel must give back their country. keeping them in a cage is not fair.
israel says their soldiers were kidnapped by hizbollah. then I say: nowadays our soldiers are being killed by PKK terrorists which does not exist among terrorist groups that russia declare. but turkey choose to comminucate with other countries rather than throwing bomb over innocent children. this does not mean they can kill our soldiers but in this case we can show other people that we are right, PKK is wrong.
please do not back anyone who kill innocent people, try to stop war.
to Carla
I would like to ask you what would you do in this situation if you were an Israeli prime minister ?
You have a terrorist organization, whose aim is to destroy Israel. Hezbollah constantly threatens
and attacks Northern Israel from time to time from the Lebanese territory. Lebanon, the UN and all the world
cannot or do not want to stop the Hezbollah attacks and disarm Hezbollah, as UN demanded.
Hezbollah attacked Israel several times after the Israeli withdrawal from Lebanon in 2000, and the last attack was
the final blow to Israeli patience. How would you react to the last attack of the Hezbollah ? Would not you want to
try to distroy your enemy ? Israel has nothing to do with Lebanon, it wants nothing from Lebanon.
All Israel wants is peace to its Northern part. Israel would like that Lebanon itself or UN would disarm Hezbollah,
but since they do nothing, Israel tries to destroy Hezbollah by using its own force.
7asbiya allah wa ni3ma el wakeel
how do i explain this to my child? this kind of hatred is sickening and hearbreaking, thank you for sharing sabbah,i guess the western media ‘forgot’ to tell us.
I just don´t understand all the proIsraelis on this page !!..How can you possibly defend thieves who have stolen other people´s land, and call Hizballah terrorists because they defend their own land !?..Are you stupid, mean or you just hate Arabs and Moslims !?..Can´t you see what Israelis have done to Lebanon !?..they destroyed it in 10 days, and you support their actions as well !?..You must be criminals like the Israelis to support them. Israelis are the evil on earth, and I hope Hizballah will kill as much as they can from those devils. NASRALLAH GOD BE WITH YOU !!
To a Lebanese
You wrote :
> How can you possibly … call Hizballah terrorists because they defend their own land !?
Carla from Lebanon calls Hezbollah murderers, says they are destroying her country.
Hezbollah has been labeled a terrorist organization by the United States,the United Kingdom,Canada and Australia.
Thank you, Israel kids, we received your message…wait our replay,dont cray….
Roy from Haifa,
Are you telling me that this blog is worse than your “democratic-terrorist state” killing machine that is fueling hatred between Jews/Israeli and humanity?!
Well done!
to Sabbah
You wrote as a rule for replies :
“If your comment is a personal attack against me or (an)other commenter(s); if it contains racist terms; if it is worded so as to create an unpleasant controversy; if it is hateful, scurrilous or negativ; comment(s) will be deleted and commenter(s) will most probably be banned!”
Aren’t the following words racist terms and scurrilous :
“Fucking jews”
“stinkin? Zionist” ?
Or racist and scurrilous comments are allowed only against Jews/Israelis in your blog ?
No, Menj. I’m just not a hate-filled bigot. Shame on me. I criticize Israel for their excess, not for their desire to stop Hizbollah.
Can you tell exactly who the Zionists in Saudi Arabia are that are placing the blame on Hizbollah? Israel is not living up to their responsibility to protect civilians. However, Hizbollah is trying their best to KILL civilians. If you want to call me a retard, then go ahead. My skin is thicker than that. But considering the fact that my logic trumps all attempts you can make at discrediting me, I think you’ll find it hard to make the label stick.
“A Lebanese”: Either you are brainwashed or so full of hatred that you can’t see clearly. Hizbollah is not defending their land, and unless you are brainwashed, you know that. They exist for 2 purposes: extermination of the Jews and domination of their religion.
“Roy from Haifa”: Well said. I have ben watching a shift from a rational-critical discussion of issues to one-sided, misleading propaganda (propaganda being defined as information intended to bring about a particular reaction with no concern for the truth).
Actually Roy, Haitham is totally correct in describing Israel as a “terrorist state”, as it was formed largely by members of Irgun and Lehi (“The Stern Gang”) who were recognised TERRORIST organisations who clamied the lives of many civilians. Indeed, the Lehi organisation were so vile and cynical that they even made a proposal to Nazi Germany about joining them in the Second World War, as they believed that this would help them in their Zionist aspirations. Strange but true!
Doesn’t matter who these missiles are meant for. These photos are still disgusting and disturbing. The adults who made these children write on missiles must be among the most pervert creatures on earth.
Hey everyone, something just came to my mind while rereading most of these comments. Has anyone ever heard this quote? (You should have, it’s one of the most famous quotes ever by Willliam Shakespeare):
?What?s in a name? that which we call a rose By any other name would smell as sweet? -
I am quoting Shakespeare for this reason, every single pro-Zionist apologist coming on here attacking this thread is coming on attacking the words of “the owner”, ” ?Dear Lebanese/Palestinian/Arab/Muslim/Christians – Kids, Die with love.? and trying to defend this picture by using the context, (Lisa Goldman’s explanation being given over and over, which I HAVE read and dismiss).
Firstly, it does NOT matter what this thread is called, it matters what the FACTS are about this picture. It is children signing bombs being sent to Lebanon which are killing civilians and destroying a country in a matter of days. COMPLETE STOP. No one here can honestly defend the fact that children are signing bombs can they? No, I think not. So instead they attack the “messenger” who dared to post them.
Secondly, Lisa Goldman has every right under the sun to give us her opinion and we have EVERY right to either accept or reject it because it is after all OPINION and “defense” by offering her take on the context of the picture which some of us reject as an excuse which is OUR RIGHT. If the “owner” had not used the words that so many of you are using to discredit this FACTUAL picture, would it still not be a “rose”? CHILDREN SHOULD NOT BE SIGNING BOMBS period bcause ALL children should really know that BOMBS ARE BAD, certainly these children do, after all, didn’t Lisa say they had just come out from days being spent is a bomb shelter? Oh no, I think maybe someone didn’t think of that angle. These very children have been frightened for days by Katushas, yet here you have a picture of them signing bombs themselves. HMM. Yes indeed, this is one VERY ROTTEN “rose”.
To Philip; How can you call me brainwashed, when YOU and I, can see that Israelis destroyed half of Lebanon, killed so many civilians and let over a million Lebanese run from their towns !!..Hizballah don´t think “Jews”, they think Zionists and their plan to overtake a big part of the middeleast. They fire rockets on Israel ?..Oh yes of course !!.. in reply to their aggression. Or it´s only Israelis that are allowed to kill and destroy whenever and wherever they like !?..I don´t where you´re from, but this is my country burning, and I wish Nasrallah will burn Whole of Israel, as the do to us !!
a lebanese: “How can you possibly defend thieves who have stolen other people´s land, and call Hizballah terrorists because they defend their own land”
Israel acquired that land long before the current people groups fought their way onto it. Nasrallah, the savage, is not defending his land but trying to take what isn’t his.
Carla:
Lebanon has let hisbollah spread their infection through your land. Now Lebanon must pay the price for their stupidity. Israel is forced to your dirty work for you. You abuse Israel for carrying out what was forced upon it by Lebanon’s stupidity and laziness? How pathetic.
menj:
If good is to defeat evil then Israel will prevail against the senseless aggression it faces. Your too blind to see what’s happening.
Roy, with all due respect, I know what “Irgun” means thankyou very much. The correct nomenclature is “Irgun” (aka “ETZEL”), which is an abbreviation of “Irgun Zeva’i Le’umi” (“National Military Organisation”). Lehi is an abbreviation of “Lohamei Herut Yisrael” (“Freeedom Fighters of Israel” roughly). Don’t try and play silly games Roy!
i think i’ve had enough hearing all your views, obviosuly there is lots of hatred, as some have clearly stated, and i agree. i am just very sorry for all the lives, and i do believe it is all in vain. i dont think in this day and age, people still use guns and weapons to solve problems.
to israel supporters: you think hezbolla’s raison d’etre is to exterminate jews, maybe it’s true, if you’re so sure that this is what they teach, but dont forget what is also being taught to jewish kids is exactly the same, to hate muslims, so there, we’re even. i am not a supporter of hezbolla, i dont support everything they do, but at least i know that they are trying to get back the thousand lebanese detained in israel, and that is what i and many other lebanese wish for, but definitely not by killing people. maybe israel might have avoided this by saying YES we will give you back the detainees and we get back the 2 soldiers, mayeb it is that simple. instead, it chose to destroy literally half the country which it took us 10 years to rebuild. anyway, we all know that this war is not just for the sake of the 2 soldiers.
to hezbolla supporters: as i stated earlier, i am not a hezbolla fan, will never be, but definitely i wont choose israel over lebanese, no matter where their allegiance lies. but tell me, what the hell are you thinking, you really believe that hezbolla will be able to defeat israel, you really think it was hezbolla who led israel out of lebanon in 2000, you must be joking. israel would never have left if it didnt want to, ya3ne please stay realistic. im not denying their arrogance, their constant trying not to label themselves as murderers, but again please, dont you think what hezbolla are doing is the same. not everything is solved by war, COME ON. your brothers, mothers, sisters, cousins, fathers are DYING, and for what, tell me for what. i am sorry for being that harsh, but if you believe that what hezbolla is doing is justified to the fullest (i said to the fullest cos there are things we support them with) well im sorry to say it, NO. whatever you answer, wont make you more patriotic than I. i choose to LIVE for my country not DIE for it.
dont bother to send me replies, i wont be checking your responses.
PEACE TO ALL
Furthermore, in Lisa’s article, she writes that pictures of dead bodies and destruction, even those in Israel as a result of “suicide bombs” are not telecast in Israel. Well, I’m sorry, but I don’t for one single minute believe this statement because as I stated on another thread, CNN, BBC and Sky News are all international programs seen ALL OVER Israel and even IF that were true that Israeli television does not televise them, they are CERTAINLY seen in Israel. The same goes for the pictures of destruction in Lebanon to which these bombs are being sent. Is someone trying to actually say that these kids are so frightened they are signing MULTIPLE missiles and have NO IDEA that a whole country is being destoyed looking for “Nasrallah”? Lisa’s “man in a turban” (racist statement if I ever heard one). Or is it just OK, as it is with over 85% of Israelis, that the entire country of Lebanon be destroyed in order to “get the MEN in the turbans”? I would like to direct anyone who wishes to read Alan Dershowitz’s latest defense of the massive civilian casualties in Lebanon, titled, “Civilain Casualties, Well it Depends” http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/opinion/la-oe-dershowitz22jul22,1,5487055.story
In this article he suggests that even those who have morally supported Hizbollah should be “decreased” in their label of civilian status.
Also, I would like to address another topic brought up here about some Americans and others not having a clue about what is going on. (I fully agree). Let’s just take an American “terrorist” organization and attempt an analogy (not by comparison of deeds or label but by comparison of attempts to rid ourselves of them)
The KKK is a “terrorist” organization, is it not? They are civilians who live amongst the general population do they not?
They attempt to hide their affiliations by “white hoods” do they not? They keep the tools of their trade, the gasoline cans and such to burn out homes and churches in their homes do they not? Well, would it be OK for our government to light fire to their home while they are sleeping and murder their entire family or destroy their whole neighborhood because they are “terrorists”? Would all of the innocent people caught up in the roundup be mere “regrettable collateral civilian damage”? HELL NO THEY WOULD NOT. Because they would have names, there would be massive outrage about their deaths and there would be ALOT of MAD AS HELL people willing to strike back in ANY WAY possible. Israel’s tactics in this case, and every other case in memory has been to overpower their enemy and leave a wide path of destruction which is supposesed to deter further rebuttal. Now you see children signing bombs. SICK. And NO ONE CAN POSSIBLY DEFEND THIS or Israel’s total destruction of Lebanon because the “man in the turban” needs to be found and annialated. Did anyone see see Goldwasser’s (one of the kidnapped soldier’s parents) on TV? They said they just want their son back. I’m sure they do, ANY parents would. But how can they equate the lives of hundreds and the destruction of a country with the return of their son? If they get their son back and that son bares them grandchildren, what world will those children expect to inhabit? One filled with more hate due to their own choice of placing their single life above an ENTIRE COUNTRY of others. Who was it, a famous rabbi who said, “One thousand Arabs are not worth the fingernail of a Jew”? THIS is Zionism and to defend it, or these children is RACISM at it’s very core, no matter what you call the “rose”.
Carla,
I do hope you check back because I would like to say something to you. I lived in Beirut from March 1975-September 1975, the beginning of the civil war there. I was married to, since amicably divorced from a Moslem. I am an American, an American that regrets deeply what my country is tacitly allowing Israel do to your homeland. I also do not believe that war is EVER the answer and I am afraid for you and all your fellow countrymen. I would like you and others here to know that mine is not the only American voice speaking out against this aggression. I am praying for your safety and for all person’s safety in the country I once called my home. Even during the war, it was beautiful (even if it was frightening as hell) You do not deserve this in ANY way after rising from the ashes finally after so many years. Your voice of peace is heard by me and others and to you I wish you peace in return. I don’t know what else to say, I am completely powerless except to write these words. Yesterday I saw SEVERAL Lebanese flags being waved from cars here in Los Angeles. There are also many demonstrations and people speaking out here against Israel. You are not alone in your fears and hopes, many of us share them with you. Peace to you Carla, and I pray for your strenghth to remain in this utter chaos which you too have no control over. God bless you.
I am Really I am not surprised to see that …….
Because I also know that they educate their children upon hating to all the world except themselves , and grow up their children upon violence toward all the arabian nations …
Such that I had heared from a trusted source that they train the little childen ( 3 0r 4 years ) how to cut a fish with a knife as if it is an arabian person to kill the children’s heart and grow up them upon violence as much as possible ,and that explain how the Israel’s troops kill children and innocent peoples without any mercy because they were grown up on those believes and behaviours……………That’s why I am not surprised
The notion that Hezbo’llah is a terrorist group is an idea put out by the imperial terrorist states. It is also part of the Western media’s stereotyping of all Arab and Muslim groups fighting against neo-colonialism. It is also foolish to reduce Hezbo’llah to this demonic cartoon concept as it denies the person saying it the ability to know more and understand who you are dealing with. No matter your opinion about them, ignorant stereotyping achieves nothing.
Mete from Turkey…
I am afraid you are living in a dream world your country has a great deal in common with Israel and is invovled in a major arms partnership with Israel ever since Bill Clinton forged a pro American alliance between Turkey and Israel.
Turkey during the 1990′S with Clinton’s backing and arms supply murdered 30,000 Kurdish people and ethnic cleansed over 1 million Kurds and destroyed hundreds of Kurdish villages.
Furthermore most Turkish people are so full of the same kind of denial mentality the Israelis have toward Palestinians that they refuse to admit the Turkish genocide of the Armenians. By the way back in the 1990s there was symbol act of US Congress to recognise the genocide of the Armenians, Clinton had said he was going to sign it. But in the last stages after nothing but a couple of phone calls from lobbyistsrepresenting Turkish or pro Turkish interests he vetoed the bill.
No one and i mean NO ONE can compare Hezbollah to the Israelis. Anyone who sides with Israel in this conflict is obviously very ignorant. Hezbollah were the only ppl not to disarm in 82′ for this very reason. Israel is trying to destabilize the entire middle east and thank God there are groups like Hezbollah fighting back. LONG LIVE THE ABAB PEOPLE!!
My point is that far too much meaning is being attributed to these kids signing the bombs. Far too much. I would never let my kids do it. Having always lived within 30 miles of a military installation, the idea of children seeing the mechanisms of a nation’s defense is not chilling, though. It is a harsh reality that one can only defend themselves, in the end, with violence against the perpetrator. For example, an unwanted visitor in my home at 3 am will be met with deadly force. I have never once struck another person; I am not violent at all. But when it comes down to it, it’s either my family’s safety or a criminal’s. Should children be writing on bombs? No, but that is an issue with their parents and the military members responsible for the site (according to an Israeli?and former IDF soldier?I have dialogued with, the head of that outpost is likely in deep trouble for allowing any civilians (especially children) near the artillery. As for telling them that weaponry is being used to try to put an end to a terrorist madman who truly does want to see those children dead, I can dig that. And again, I reiterate, the Israeli kids were neither in reality nor symbollically sending this message to Arab kids. To claim otherwise is morally and intellectually dishonest.
Now, as for what Israel is doing, there is almost no way the military operation could have been carried out without civilian casualties. That being said, Israel has been?for lack of a better word?notoriously sloppy. That is unacceptable. On the other hand, like the KKK, Hizbollah has turned a few legitimate grievances as a way to ignite hatred and justify acts of terror specifically aimed at civilians. The Ketushya rockets are designed to injure civilians.
Now, what does Israel do?
A prisoner exchange? That could be reworded as, “Hizbollah?be sure to kidnap more Israelis, and we’ll give you more prisoners.”
Diplomacy? This is a cruel circle practiced particularly well by despots. Negotiate, without ever putting them to practice. Then commit more acts of violence, pretend to negotiate again, and start over. If your adversary concedes points to you, accept those concessions but none of your own. Use the concession to enhance your means of attacking your adversary. When they react, call for more negotiations. (I cannot take credit for this observation, but rather Mohammed from Iraq the Model is the great mind behind it.
Surgical strike? Yes, but Israel is not very good at this. That is their major failure. They choose instead to go all-out and thus create enemies and lose the moral high ground.
As for Zionism, I am not an adherent. But a blanket definition of its adherents as being bigoted or terrorism-minded is not accurate. I know a particular Jewish lady, a VERY liberal one, who describes herself as a Zionist. She is a pacifist and not a racist by any means. On the other hand, in these comments, I have over and over again seen expressed desire for the death of every Jew in Israel, for destruction of all the Jews altogether, and various other less explicitly violent statements. Or as Sandmonkey would say, “It’s the Joooooooooooooooz!”
Side note: The “man in the turban” statement did not strike me as racist. Rather, she was describing the image of Nasrallah on TV making his cold pronouncements. It was not a generalization of all men in turbans (obviously the Lebanese man on the street is not typically donning a turban as it is), but rather the prominent image of this particular turban-sporting bully. Kind of like if it were Qadafi, it would be “the strange man in women’s clothing.” ;-)
Oh,and Carla?
Though I don’t agree with you 100%, I am impressed by your well-thought out and rational analysis. This is the kind of reasoned discourse I like to see. :-)
To Paul
While Irgun and Lehi were right wing extremist organizations which can be called terrorist, your statement “Israel … was formed largely by members of Irgun and Lehi” is not true. Israel was formed by the mainstream jewish organizations such as Haganah, Jewish Agency and Histadrut, Irgun and Lehi were dissident organizations.
Haganah, actually had clashes with Irgun and Lehi, during the “season” and the Altalena affair. So the statement about terrorist state is not correct.
You can read more about these in the following links :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_%28group%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haganah
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Agency
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histadrut
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altalena_Affair
Philip,
With all due respect, it’s not about your judgement and what you would like to see. It is a VERY complex problem with VERY many emotions running high due to understandable and justifiable reasons. I think, no I KNOW, that if you were in the same position as many of these victims of Israeli aggression are, you just might be meeting up with your enemies with that loaded weapon you mentioned along with some EXTREMELY choice words if your family, your friends, your fellow citizens were subjected to such things. Carla said she’s not coming back because she doesn’t wish to discourse in the matter further. These are the words of a person in great pain and suffering herself from the violence all around her. You have got to get this straight once and for all, Israel was founded on the belief that this piece of land was given to them by THEIR God as his chosen people and that they above all others have the right to claim superiority. It is Jews (I use this term because in this case it fits) who alone are grantd citizenship under the law of return and Palestinians do NOT have that right, even though they had owned the land prior. So a “liberal Zionist American” has the right to citizenship in Israel, while Palestinians are enslaved in the West Bank and Gaza, their every move controlled, their water stolen, their lives threatened, all so your liberal Zionist friend from WHEREVER USA can go there and claim her gift from HER God. This is RACISM based on religious affiliation pure and simple. There is NO WAY any rational human being can think that it is ok for a people to claim superiority over a whole other group UNLESS they are a racist themselves. This is just WRONG and for Israel to continue to LIE their asses off about their true intentions as to the whole land of Zion is one hell of a smoke and mirrors move on their part. Read everyone here Philip, those who speak the strongest against the Zionist state of Israel are the very ones who are suffering at their hands. You really need to take a step back and realize that there is a VERY justifiable reason for their rage. Hoping for “reasoned responses” is all fine and dandy but merely calling Israel “sloppy” is one HELL of an excuse for their behavior which is RACIST AND TERRORISTIC to the core.
To Grant (NZ); No need to say much to proIsraeli bastards like you. My country being destroyed and you think we deserve it !?..Burn in hell.. you, all proIsraelis, and ALL Israelis. Nasrallah is a human-being, but you are devils in disguise !!
Do you really read these messages?
Only “Nasralla with love” in English and Hebrew.
Vadim from Haifa,
Yes, I agree that there are many racist comments against Jews, so is a lot against Arab, Muslims, etc…
All comments will be moderated from now on. Don’t come crying if your comment gets deleted or never appear!
I was astonished to see the amount of confusion and lack of compassion existing on both sides of the border.
I mean assume that there was physical contact between bloggers … just think of the consequences.
However, let’s take a look at the situation from a biased angle as I am Lebanese but I will try my best to stay impartial.
- Hezbolla is a Lebanese chiite socio-political movement created in 82. They were the only militia who have kept their guns following the 1990 Taef agreement (while all other militias deposed arms)
Note that their arms have been a growing source for public debate as internal calls for disarming them have been growing.
- Hezbolla abducted 2 Tsahal soldiers at the Lebanese-Israeli frontier (for general information, Lebanon and Israel have never signed a peace treaty following the Arab Israeli war, so theoretically, they can destroy each other ad-eternum)
- Israel responded by waging a military resonse on the southern part of the country in an attempt to cripple Hizballa and its infrastructure, in an attempt to settle this problematic region and in order to disarm Hizballa. They waged a small Blitzkrieg (which is une guerre eclair, a blitz) in order to try and deal with the problem.
- Result ?
2 soldiers are still kidnapped, death toll ratio of 1 Israeli to 10 Lebanese (which on a statistical level is a something that would make a military strategist maybe a bit pleased) , massive Lebanese infrastructure destruction, less massive Israeli infrastructure destruction, rockets flying from both sides, from Israel to Lebanon and from Lebanon to Israel.
I cannot help but raise two questions:
Question 1:
Do all Israeli people want peace?
For a Jew as well as for a Christian, Israel are the Chosen People, to whom our Lord has revealed Himself, and who is ruled by God. This kingdom is not of this world, and when it will become of this world, there will be an eternal peace.
This has always puzzled me until I discovered that there are Jews as well, who still believe that the above still is valid.
https://www.nkuk.org
Can this War be considered to be Holy ?
Hezballa claim that their war against the Zionist regime is holy, and that they will get all rewards in the afterlife for the sacrifice done in this life once they achieve victory.
I take one step back in order to think again about Holy. For I cannot help but think that Holy can but only be the war between Good vs.Evil, where the final outcome will be the victory of Good.
So can we picture Hizballa as being the “Good” and “Israel” being “Evil” ?
Frankly, i think that every human being taking away the life of another is a son of Satan, as one of the commands of the Lord of Israel is “Thou shall not kill”.
This, I hope, is sufficient to refute any claim to holiness for this war.
thoughs are more than welcome,
Ae.
Philip,
A “liberal Zionist” is a contradiction of terms just like a ‘tolerant fascist’ or a ‘humanitarian mass murderer’. A Zionist believes in ethnical nationalism and it is therefore impossible for such a fascist to be liberal or a liberal!!!!!
Both you and your fascist friend have fallen victim to the propaganda machinery of the Zionists, because they are trying to hide the fascist characteristics of Zionism by labelling everybody who accepts that Israel is a sovereign state by international law as a Zionist. I accept that Israel has a right to exist from the fact that I respect international law (regardles of my feelings about whether or not the creation of Israel was justified in the first place), but I am NOT a Zionist and I NEVER WILL BE!
I have a lot of respect for “The People of Israel”, but I despise Zionist Israelis! “The People of Israel” (real Jews) see themselves as people with a faith originating in the religious (historical) concept of Israel, but do not associate themselves with the country called Israel. I am not a Jew, but if I accepted their religious laws, then I would be able to become a Jew as they do not distinguish themselves by geneology but by the following of the writings in the Torah. IF I was a Jew, then I would not have to go through a denounciation ritual to ‘un-Jew’ myself, I only had to stop following the principles of their religion.
The core principles of real Judaism (besides all the rituals etc.) are that “The People of Israel” are equal people with a particular faith living among other equal people with (or without) other faiths in sovereign states around the world and that the they have no claim to the country called Israel until the day that God’s messenger returns – as an atheist I expect them to wait a long time ;)
If you want to talk about ‘sloppy’, then it would be the Jews who have ‘forgotten’ to speak up against Zionists calling themselves Jews, because by promoting a claim to the country of Israel, by looking at themselves as a particular ethnicity/race, and by promoting ideological nationalism they have seriously ‘un-Jewished’ themselves and it is therefore more correct to label Zionists as followers of a fascistic sect with an ideology mis-representing “The People of Israel”!!!
Nationalism based on racial, cultural, or religious ethnicity is collectively known as fascism regardles of how it is sugar coated!
I am not an expert in the Torah or Judaism, so please correct me if I am wrong.
Antoine,
It is a historical fact that the state of Israel was created by Zionists, but I wonder if all Israelis are still fascists?!?!
Maybe if some of the people here bothered checking who these shells are ment for, they wouldn’t say this is so disgraceful. I’ve trad an article about it, and saw some pictures, and since I can read hebrew(I’m from Israel, so dont tell me I could have been wrong)I can tell you that whats written on most of these shells is “For Nasralla with love” or “Hasan Nasralla, Underground Bunker”. Maybe now so many people here claim that we are the terrorist’ while peace loving Nasralla who never shot anything to a large population center is the good guy.
Thomas,
No.
Mr Herzl made a historical attempt to solve the fact that the Jewish Diaspora was suffering pogroms in the “civilized” world. for him, the only manner in which Jewish people could be seen as citizens by the host country was for them to have a state of their own.
And I think that instead of it being the solution to the problems the Diaspora was having, it was only the mean by which a cathartical process, of all of the years of fear and insecurity lived by generations , where they were locked inside a world of fear and a political vicious circle.
“If a Jew would trust his neighbour, what would garantee the Jew that the neighbour will not kill the Jew whenever there is any kind of instability”
And I am basing myself on the Porgroms that were occuring in Russia, Poland etc.. and to the Shoah as well.
Is there a massive “Israeli” paranoia ?
Probably and maybe not so unfounded, and I think that this would last as long as there will be a 2 state solution.
to Antoine
First of all the facts :
1. “Hezbollah has been labeled a terrorist organization by the United States, Canada, Israel and Australia”
See the link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah
2. The Hezbollah not only kidnapped the two soldiers, it started by bombardment of Israeli civilian population, killed three soldiers and kidnapped two others.
“At 9:05 AM local time (0605 GMT), on 12 July 2006,[11] the Lebanese Islamist militant group Hezbollah initiated a rocket and mortar attack on northern Israel, mainly on the village of Shelomi, resulting in five civilian casualties.[27] A large ground contingent of Hezbollah militants then attacked two Israeli armored IDF Humvees on a routine patrol of the Israeli side of the Israel-Lebanon border road near the Israeli village of Zar?it with anti-tank rockets. The militants killed three soldiers and kidnapped two others”
See the link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Israel-Lebanon_conflict#Beginning_of_conflict
3. Hezbollah constantly threatened and from time to time attacked Israel after (!) the Israeli withdrawal from Lebanon in 2000.
See the link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah#Hezbollah_after_the_Israeli_withdrawal
Secondly, my opinion :
4. Israel’s goal in the current operation is not only to return the two kidnapped soldiers but also to weaken Hezbollah as much as possible to prevent further attacks. Israel would like to have a strong Lebanease state, capable of exercising its sovereinty over its South Border and prevent terrorist organizations from operating from its territory.
5. Regarding the claims about the lower number of Israeli casulties.
The Hezbollah fired about a 1000 rockets on Israeli towns. These rockets were meant to kill Israeli civilians.
The reasons for the lower number of Israeli casulties are
a) Many Israelis left North of Israel
b) Many Israeli citizens have bomb shelters in their houses, work places and there are also public shelters in Israel. The civilian population has been given instructions to stay in the vicinity of the shelters. Sirens are also being heard before the rockets’ attacks.
The Israeli state does the maximum to save lives of its citizens – shelters, sirens and so on. Are the Israilis guilty in that its state cares for them ?
6. I’ve not met a single Israeli who hates Leabanese people. The hatred is toward Nasralla and Hezbollah, but not toward the Leabanese people. I have Arab friends in Haifa. The deaths of innocent civilians in Lebanon indeed make me feel bad.
7. What would you do if you were Israeli prime minister ? Just put yourself in Israel’s position. Have you any real solutions to the current conflict without surrendering to Hezbollah and encourage them to further attacks ?
So Antoine, would you consider the war of Palestinian against the Israel a Good war or an Evil war? I?m a Palestinian, who is been literally kicked out of his land by Israel to live in it instead, Will I be Good or Evil to fight back to return my land? Is It usually historically Evil to fight against those who took over your land and kicked you out?
Husams,
Has fighting brought Good to Palestinian and Israeli children ?
the ironic thing is that the real blame need to go to europe countries (west/east ) , that did the holocaust to ashkenaz jews .
this situtation is their fault , and they keep playing with us
(both sides) like puppets’, giving weapons to our side and to the other side , and the important thing is that they live in peacfully while we kill each other with no reason, and they doing their trips in arab countries and in israel .
all the fault is going to europe !!!!!!!!!!! and always will be
this world is looking cause them !!!!!!!!!
To Thomas, a Dane.
I can appreciate the fact that living in a wellfare state in the scandinavian region makes life in the middle east region hard for you to imagine.
Zionism is a political movement and ideology that supports a homeland for the Jewish people in the Land of Israel.
see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism
Fascism is a radical totalitarian political philosophy that combines elements of corporatism, authoritarianism, extreme nationalism, militarism, anti-anarchism, anti-communism and anti-liberalism.
see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facism
I am not sure one can follow a logical path from one definition to the other …
I just want to say HASBIE ALLAH WA NY3ME ALLWAKYL!!!!
And also would like to say : NASRE ALLAH QARRIB!!
Libanon , Palastin you are in my prayers so are all muslims , and I really trully hope that the war will end as soon as possible , after all don´t we all hope that or am I wrong ???
Dont waste your time on calling each other nams and stuff instead do something that will make diffirence in the world so we can be a step closer to a peaceful world but with that attitude of yours I doubt that , stop this madness we are the future so you guys better grow up and face the truth if we continue like this we will end up killing eachother, heh who am I trying to kidd, we are doing that already, but brothers and sisters there is still hope , inshalla we can stop this ……………. somehow!!!
this is discusting what israel is doing, letting their kids right messages on rockets, bombs, are those the future murderers of poor innocent lebanese????? i dont understand! and as an American i have no connection with lebanon or israel but i dont agree why my president is not stoping this mass distruciton and letting israel get away with this???????? it is horable.
an american…..
to Vadim from Haifa
1. if the west categorized hezbolla as terrorists, that doesnt make them right.
2. consider yourselves lucky to have sirens to warn you and shelters to hide in, hence the low number of casualties
3. in lebanon we do not have this privilege of knowing when bombs will hit us, or somewhere to hide. did you see the pictures of people trying to flee in open trucks, with kids in them, and they were hit by aircrafts, please feel free to visit this site http://www.waronlebanon.net/
4. for your own information, the bombardments and the shelling made the roads unattainable, all the bridges have been destroyed, so how the hell are people supposed to leave, and they have the nerve to tell people, EVACUATE because we will bombard you, again please tell me, how can they evacuate when they CAN’T?
5. many people are not able to leave the south, they are stuck. so what do you call what israel is doing, just defending itself? 6. what do you call what israel is doing when it hits ambulances and aids coming to the rescue of civilians, also defending itself?
7. what do you call what israel is doing by targetting media antennas all over lebanon, in order for not all people are able to watch the news, also defending itself?
8. what do you call what israel is doing by hitting fuel tanks so no one is able to leave the house, also defending itself?
9. what do you call what israel is doing by hitting the airport (people are either stuck in lebanon or not able to come back), also defending itself?
10. what do you call what israel is doing when aircrafts throw messages to the people that they will keep on bombarding them and this fact scares the hell out of them, also defending itself?
if you CAN give 1 valid reason to justify what is being done i assure you that you would be justifying acts against humanity. i could have stated a lot of other facts of what’s happening in lebanon, but i dont think there’s need to, every one knows it.
and just so you know, I DO NOT justify what hezbolla is doing i.e sending rockets on civilians, it is also SICK. so consider yourselves lucky to be able to hide when your country is at war, cos obviously WE CAN’T.
Roy from Haifa,
When you list all the elements you mention to be part of Fascism, it does not seem that you discern between Italian Fascism in the last century (the origin of the word) and the modern meaning of fascism (the ethnocentric nationalism I mention).
Any ideology that promotes particular etnicity to receive preferential treatment within a particular territory and aims at ensuring that that particular ethnicity remains in power and in majority seems pretty fascistic to me!
Even if Zionism only meets some of the elements of prototype Fascism -the historic Italian type- then I would say that it is closer to Fascism (especially the elements of extreme nationalism, militarism, authoritarianism, and anti-liberalism) than it is far from it.
I think that is a quite logical comparison…
to thomas,
i couldnt have explained it better my self :)
Antoine,
Supporters of using the Holocaust to excuse/legitimize Zionism are promoting principles based on xenophobia and intolerance and to apply those kind of principles to all ethnic conflicts in the world would require massive etnic cleansing and forced displacement of people on an impossible scale. In other words an utopic dream that can only result in pure chaos and global anarchy.
I think a healthy revision of the Holocaust is fully in order here. Not because I want to deny that about 5 million Jews were killed in a massive genocide, but because I would like to emphasize that during what is called the Holocaust more than 12 million Europeans were killed in a massive genocide perpetrated by other Europeans and justified by etnocentric nationalism (in addition several more millions were killed by supposedly ‘good’ guys – the Stalinists).
Anti-semitism is wrong, but it ‘only’ accounted for less than half the people murdered by intolerant nationalistic regimes in Europe during WWII. If the Holocaust was ‘only’ about killing of Jews, then we, Europeans, can fool ourselves into believing that we have been successful in ensuring that it did not happen again, but if we look at the Holocaust as ethnocentric nationalism which killed more than 12 million Europeans of which some 5 million happened to be Jews, 1+ million happened to be leaders of Polish society (in addition to the 1.5 million Jews included with 5 million figure), 1+ million happened to be Russians (POWs and civilians killed by the Nazis), hundreds of thousands happened to be Serbs, tens of thousands happened to be homosexual, thousands happened to be political dissidents, several hundred thousands (between a quarter and half of the Roma population) happened to be Roma, and many many more, then we, Europeans (and people around the world), have failed misserably, because many ‘Holocausts’ have happened ever since. None due to anti-Semitism, but all due to ethnocentric nationalism (fascism).
It is also important to note that the Holocaust was not only committed by Germans, but there were also Austrian, Hungarian, and Croatian nationalists who participated – to mention some of the ‘Nazi-friendly’ countries. Even Denmark, and many other occupied countries also had their ‘pro-Nazi’ nationalistic individuals.
As I see it, anti-semitism is just one symptom of ethnocentric nationalism, which is the actual dissease we finally have to realize that we have to deal with.
If we apply the xenophobic and intolerant principles of Zionism, then we have to accept that living peacefully together is impossible and instead create separate and well-isolated homelands for Jews, homosexuals, handicapped, socialists, liberals, Romas, Serbs, Croats etc. and we will have to separate those areas further to ensure that e.g. handicapped socialists do not have to live with and tolerate homosexual socialists.
As I said, I accept the existence of Israel, but I see the realization of the goal to make Israel a pure, ethnically clean state as the incarnation of what I consider to be the root of all evil; ethnocentric nationalism!
That said, I do believe that there are some stand-up Israeli citizens, but I am afraid that they are greatly outnumbered by ethnocentric nationalists at the moment.
Thomas a Dane,
The definition is from wikipedia, as you can see. I consider it to be an objective and reliable source. If you stretch enough you can conclude that all nations are Facists since:
1. Every country has a certian degree of nationalism.
2. Most countries have an army.
3. Authority is imposed in every country.
I think you should try a little harder to prove your point …
Did you know that in your own region, Norway’s constitution requires that over half of the government cabinet are members of the state church ? Would you concider that country to be fascist as well ? In Israel all citizens including muslim arabs and other minorities have equal rights as jewish citizens do. Many countries including european countries give out citizenships based on maintaining certian ethnic quotas, Israel is no different in this case.
and yet, no one complains when parents dress up their kids to look like suicide bombers. nice double standards, yet again the arab world shows that they firmly believe that things only apply when its convinient
Alex, I have heard that one bleated out hundreds, maybe even thousands of times, and you have just done it yourself. Lying so obviously is just pointless!
What is wrong with people? We (humanity) keep falling into the same old trap of “hate your enemy”. And if you can’t find an enemy, make one. And if you can’t make one, make yourself the enemy. What is this all about? Aren’t we ALL children of God, or Allah. He must be very ashamed of us. We do not live according to his teachings. We murder in His name. What do you think that is doing to us. Look around. It’s so obvious. These are not Israeli children sending these bombs. They have simply been brainwashed (as are ALL people in war, not just one side)to believe that what they are doing is just. Shame on the parents. Shame on the leaders. Shame on us all. We have been reacting to this crap in exactly the way we were supposed to, according to its design. We should feel very bad for all of the children of war, especially the ones who survive, only to spread these words and visions of hate and killing to the next generation of innocent children. I pray every day that Palestine and Israel can get to know each other on a cultural level so that there will finally be peace and life. To share in all that will benefit instead of killing because of differences. I don’t know if God or Allah can ever forgive us for what we are doing to His peolpe. We were never put here for this reason. We were put here to love all of God’s creation, including our “enemies”, who are also and equallyy, God’s creations. We are responsible for what we teach our children and what our children do with these teachings. I do know that one day we will all sit in judgement and will have to face up to what we have done. Especially to our own children. Peace. Shalom. As-Salaam.
Thomas,
I dont disagree that Zionism has proven that it is not the solution for the problem Israel has had, but I tend to derive to this conclusion from a different demonstration.
History will show that the fate of Zionism will be that of the Appartheid regime of South Africa.
I believe that Mr. Herzl tried to do what Moses did during the Exodus from Egypt, but instead he gave to Israel the legacy of war and not Peace. My main thought is that I pray that there will be people who will wake up, from both sides, and shout for Peace; for I am a Lebanese and hence a minority in the vast Arab middle east and that is longing for one single thing: Peace.
Peace in a beautiful land where my children will be able to cross freely anywhere and play with other children, whether Moslem, jewish or Christian. Call me a utopist, maybe, but I believe that all the persons who are shouting for blood and murder know what blood and murder feels and would not want to have it imposed on any child in this land.
Vadim, yes, I was waiting for you to mention Haganah, the paramilitary forerunners of the fascistic “Settler” movement, who espouse ethnic cleansing of Palestinians to create “liebensraum” for the Jewish volk! if that is what you mean by “mainstream” then so be it! The Jewish Agency and Histadrut were the larger organisations of the time. However you omit to mention that Haganah were the paramilitary wing of the Jewish agency (hence they were nore or less the same thing), and that it was they who
gave birth to the vile Irgun. You forgot to mention that though they condemned them in public, they both collaborated closely in the ethnic cleansing of Palestine, so they were no angels either! as you know, Histadrut were primarily a labour movement so I’ll leave them out of this.
I also conceed that my use of the word “formation” may have been somewhat misleading as I didn’t explain further about the impact of their terrorist bombings (most notably assasination of Lord Moyne and the King David hotel bombing), and the role of the US and the UK in the formation of Israel. This was one of the first times the UK were slapped down by the new world power, the US. I was writing a short (and somewhat Off-topic) comment in a ‘blog, not a twenty thousand word piece about the formation of Israel! still, many Israelis are experts in throwing out disinformation that takes seconds to write, and hours to refute! I have read about it in The Zionist manuals that teach how to lie convincingly about Israel and its enemies.
You also know as well as I do that members of the Irgun and the frankly lunatic, Judeo-Fascist Lehi (they admitted themselves that their model was Benito Mussolini) also went on to have a HUGE influence in Israel through their descendents, the far right “Likud” party. You have of course heard of Menachem Begin (Irgun) and Yitzhak Shamir (Irgun / Lehi) who constantly condemned “Palestinian terrorists” yet forgot to mention that they were terrorists themselves!
and one final thought …
“Woe to him that builds a town with blood and establishes a city by iniquity!” Habakkuk, 2:12
sorry, can you please discard my previous question and this one ?
Antoine,
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to MAD with ANGER
2. I do consider myself lucky that I live in a state which cares for its citizens. I hope you too will live in such a state one day. I am not cynnical, I realy mean it.
4,5,7,8,9,10 Israel hits the Lebanon insfrastructure,bridges,fuel tanks to make it hard for Hezbollah to operate inside Lebanon – to disrupt Hezbollah’s communications and resupplies. Israel bombs TV annenas to prevent broadcasting Al-Manar – Hezbollah TV and it is a part of weakening Hezbollah. Israel imposes air, see and ground blockade on Lebanon to prevent resupply of Hezbollah and to prevent smuggling the kidnapped soldiers out of the country. It is all a part of the war on Hezbollah, nobody wants to harm the Lebanese civilians intentionally.
So the hard question is how would civilians evacuate themselves in such circumstances. I admit I do not know the answer, I am not familiar enough with the geography and conditions of Lebanon. I can think about just leaving by foot, I think people can go some 20 – 40 kilometers a day. Or to drive by car as far as yoy can get and to continue from there by foot. The fact is that it is possible – there are very many refugees in Lebanon who did managed to flee the South.
I admit the Lebanese civilians have hard times these days. But Israel does not do all this in order to hurt the civilians, it does defends itself by fighting Hezbollah.
Unfortunetely, in a war you cannot prevent civilian casulties. Are you aware of any war in the modern history, in which there were no civilian casulties ?
Israel has to fight this war with Hezbollah to defend its Northern border.
well thanks for all the kids who wrote on the missles to send them to our kids in lebanon, but it’s a bad thing to raise kids this way, anyways, im not here to judge, but yet to critic u losers, yeah you israelian people and military, U SUCK, ur not even a country, and ur teyin so hard to steel one (palestine)
Jesus forgave u for killing him, but we lebanese, wont do that, in fact we punished u last summer.
you are killed for lübnan kids…
You dont know afraid of..i can it….
[...]Dear Lebanese/Palestinian/Arab/Muslim/Christians – Kids,
Die with love.[...]
(its good to find your blog again Haitham)
to the israeli army god bless you if you need a fighter i’m here, i will help to kill all the fuckers even kids if they are from hamas or hezboalla the most fuckers of all… but ofcourse not the good palestinian, who wants to live in peace with every body, and israel is much better to the anemy than those fuckers like hammas and hezboallah, are towardsthere own people. i’m druze from lebanon, i have to tell my brothers druze from israel, don’t hesitate to serve in the army of israel and tha day is coming even for us to serve in it, as well.
defend the best army in the world because, you are defended by israel… to our brothers the israeli love your country and die to deffend it, its your country and beilive me, you are so hated in the arabic world even in europe and in the world deffend your right to live in peace and serve the army the only army whitch can protect your people, against all the bustterds like ahmadi najad and the dog hassan nasral-shaittan…and hammas the enemy of palestine and israel… please, brothers druze people love your country and love the jews because they love you more than the shia and hizboaalah love the sunni in lebanon, my country so try to find out how much they hate us as druze, and they beilive that we are original from the jews? and you know how much they hate jews….
Above is just another example of ZioNazi propaganda aims to spread hate between Lebanese, mainly druze and others. Just ignore it.
It’s easy to ignore something that doesn’t even make sense! Poor man is worked up about something and needs to get his head on straight.
“bustterds”? I think he was referring to BUZZARDS, also known as VULTURES,the perfect bird to represent Israel as it’s national bird.
Here you can vote for it
http://greenprophet.com/2008/05/01/398/national-bird-poll/
The bird that eats already dead carcases.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_type_of_animal_do_vultures_eat
Yeh, I think he really meant something like that :)
i cant belive anyone can be so evil i can see the grin on the faces of the israiles when they were writing that!
i speechless and they complain about what the germans done in ww2
i can’t belive anyone can be so evil !
and they complain about the germanz
god !
CANT THIER BE PEACE!!!!!!!!!!!!?U ISREALIS WANT PEACE!!!!!?IT DOESENT LOOK LIKE NO ISREALI WANTS PEACE!!!!!!!u ISREALIS U KILL INNOCENT CHILDREN AND PEOPLE THTS UR DEFINITION OF PEACCE!!!!??LET THE WORLD SEE WAT BLACK HEART LIES IN ISREAL!YOUR NATION IS GOING AGAINST YOU GO BE PROUD IN SHAME OF WAT YOUR DOING!!?Evryones knowing the truth its gona come out one day !!!Let thier be peace in this world for ONCE!JUST ONCE!
well all I’m going to say about this .. YOU ARE WORST THAN NAZIS YOU SICK BASTARDS..you say Palestinian kids are holding guns and taught hate? well they have to Carrie something to defend themselves from your tanks … when a f-18 fighter go bomb civilian houses … when Israeli cowards hide behind their tanks and go kill children .. i guess they’ll have to Carrie something … you turned a hole nation into warriors for their freedom of land faith and to avoid your revenge holocaust … now tell me how many tanks does the Palestine have .. how many American Apache helicopter do they have … ITS THEIR COUNTRY THEY HAVE TO DEFEND IT FROM ISRAELI NAZIS WHO HIDE BEHIND THEIR TANKS … children die in Palestine .. if not from your bullet then it will be from hunger or coldness because you teared their homes to the ground … AND LOVED FROM GOD !!!!!!!!!!… that’s your far worst lie ever made …. you steal land steal history and lifes and then try to look innocent ….. try as you want you’ll never hide the truth … GOD HATES YOU … what do you want after killing his prophets and rewriting the holy books he game you ….. you disrespect GOD how can he love you you sick bastards ……. this is a sign of your end ……..
This a very shameful thing these children are doing. It hurts me to see these types of things for many reasons. I’m a daughter of an Isreali Jew and Bagdad,Iraqi Muslim Baba(Father), but raised by Christians from when I was a young girl. My children will see this some day and be ashamed of themselves and what their family geneology is made up of. Hitler killed some of my mother’s friends and family including Anne Frank and some of her family(which I’m related to somehow through my mom’s side of the family). This is not right at all.In fact this is really pathetic and makes someone with my family background look bad.Christians,Jews,and Muslims are all related somehow or another. We all are blood through Biblical Persons,but through different countries.Peace and Shalom to all. Have a great day.
NO WAY!!! This is framed. Israel did not do this. I live in Lebanon and i know what really happened. It was us who joyed about 9/11 (not me though)and you mocking the Israelis just make it worse. Israel and Americans are great friends and they always be. DO not try and get us involved with this and Israel is a great country to me as they protect conflicts from my people to their people and they try to minimise death as possible as they can. Do not TRY TO FRAME THis because if oyu have a look in one of the pics… the background is a tank of a soldier who is NOT IN ISRAELI UNIFORM. Israelis have had enough with media and making them look like the bad people. Get ur act together.
@malcontent – God does not say to kill anyone. Love is his weapon. Hate and murder come from mankind. All sides are wrong. Only love and God are right.
the savage zionist breed came to my land and home, from affar they brought their guns and stoll it all, they said that my house was their own, with a hatefull smile they toke my home as they killed and robed us all.
they say that god gave it to them all, that they are the jews of the old, and the new land lords , with terorr they drove us all out of palestine and home, children without home to live and die as they call out palestine no more, Israel now was their home but they want more and more, the death of us all.
Not all Israelis or Jews agree with violence as a means to come to a peace agreement with the Arab states or the Palestinians. It is up to the USA, my country, to put this violence in a grave. We have the means to do it; chnage will come, but unfortunately many people on both sides will die. Violence is not the way; it never has solved any problem.
Y DOES THAT MAKE U HAPPY?
U LYK SEEING LITTLE INNOCENT CHILDREN GETTING HURT?!
WHAT IF US ARABS SENT THAT KIND OF LUV 2 UR RETARDED ISRAELI KIDS WUD U LYK IT? I DONT THINK SO!!!!!
ISRAEL DOESNT EXIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PALESTINE WILL NEVER BE YOURSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!
LONG LIVE PALESTINE!!!!!!!
DOWN WITH THE JEWS!!!!!!
It’s cruel…giving such-disgusting edu joy to children by signing bomb… Oh.. may God.. help palestin to be strong. Its not just bombing but its a devil effort to vanish palestin generation. Let’s pray together to the palestin. May God bless you all palestin forever. Amiin
I hate Israel
TERRIBLE!!! ZIONIST`S SCUM!!!