This is the Terrorist State of Israel - Qana Massacre, July 30, 2006
Written by Haitham Sabbah on 30. July 2006, 1837hrs // Part of Haitham Sabbah's adventure in Breaking News, Israel, Lebanon, Middle East, Photos, Terrorism, War, War Crimes, Zionism // Other posts by Haitham Sabbah
Zionist barbarism, brutality, crimanilism call it what ever you want, but it is a massacre and war crime against humanity… The United state is pronounced to be guilty for it before its ally, the Zionist entity, which gave it a free hand to continue with is massacres and war crimes, George W. Bush and his staff led by his secretary of state, Rice, who is on a tour in our land that those criminals want to call “The New Middle East” that is a splinter of colonies to be under their control.
It was officially declared by the Lebanese people and authority that her visit to Beirut is cancelled whether it is scheduled or not, she is persona non grata, during her present tour in what they call the Middle East and what is our Arab land.
All members of the Lebanese authority starting with the president of the Republic, speaker of the parliament, the prime minister, ministers, members of parliament and on top of them all the Lebanese Arab people declared nothing is to be done before a full unconditional stop of fire is in effect.
A call to all members of the Arab nations and the peoples of the world open your televisions and see the horrific inhuman sciens committed not only during this massacres, but the results of all massacres committed by the Zionist colonizers in Lebanon, Palestine and before them in Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Iraq under the cover of “the greatest democracy in the world - U.S.A.”
If this is what you call democracy apply it on yourselves and go to hell. - Adib sk
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July 30th, 2006 at 4:16 pm
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July 30th, 2006 at 4:30 pm
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July 30th, 2006 at 7:13 pm
To John, dear john
i will not justify what you said with an answer. the general view will still be the same, what is happening in lebanon is purely a massacre regardless what are the justifications given and whether or not hezbolla are using people as human shields.
“If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.” JESUS CHRIST
July 30th, 2006 at 7:30 pm
To those that have already forgotten how this all began:
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At 9:05 AM local time (06:05 CET), on 12 July 2006, Hezbollah initiated a Katyusha rocket and mortar attack on Israeli military positions and villages of northern Israel as a diversionary tactic, injuring at least 8 Israelis according to some reports[22], and lightly injuring 5 according to others[23]. Afterwards, a ground contingent of Hezbollah militants attacked two Israeli armored Humvees on a routine patrol along the Israel-Lebanon border near the Israeli village of Zar’it with anti-tank rockets, capturing two Israeli soldiers, and killing eight.[24] According to the Lebanese police force and Hezbollah, the Israeli soldiers were attacked and captured on the Lebanese side of the border on 12 July during a mission to infiltrate the Lebanese town of Ayta al-Sha`b,[25] although remains of the Humvees were found in Israel. [26]
The IDF confirmed the capture of the two Israeli soldiers on 13 July and identified them as Ehud Goldwasser and Eldad Regev, both reservists who were on their last day of operational duty.[27]
Hezbollah’s attack was named after a “promise” by its leader Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah to capture Israeli soldiers and swap them for Samir Kuntar and other Lebanese prisoners held by Israel.[28][29][30]
See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Israel-Lebanon_conflict#_note-17
And according to CNN:
The fighting began after Hezbollah captured two Israeli soldiers during a raid into northern Israel on July 12.
See: http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/20/mideast/index.html
See also:
1. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/12/AR2006071200262.html
2. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/12/world/middleeast/12cnd-mideast.html?ex=1310356800&en=edb3d5b4d4e9f84d&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
According to the U.N:
12 July 2006 ? United Nations Secretary-General Kofi Annan today called for the immediate release of two Israeli soldiers seized by Hizbollah militants from Lebanon and conferred with key leaders on the attack, which he condemned as a ?blatant breach? of Security Council resolutions and of the line separating the two countries.
See: http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=19178&Cr=middle&Cr1=leban&Kw1=Israeli&Kw2=soldiers&Kw3=
July 30th, 2006 at 7:38 pm
Hezbollah’s attack was named after a “promise” by its leader Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah to capture Israeli soldiers and swap them for Samir Kuntar and other Lebanese prisoners held by Israel.
So who are these Lebanese prisioners ?
The most famus or shall I say notorious one is Samir Kuntar.
Who is he ?
Samir Kuntar (Arabic: ???? ????????) (born July 20, 1962 in Aabey, Lebanon), is a Lebanese murderer who participated in a terrorist attack on Israeli civilians in 1979. He has been held in Israeli jails under a four-times-life sentence since his conviction in 1979 on charges of murder and terrorism, for killing 2 Israeli civilians and two Israeli policemen.
See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samir_Kuntar
Is this the kind of human garbage Nasrallah is fighting for using Lebanese blood ?
July 30th, 2006 at 7:39 pm
“Mad With Anger”, I would like to ask you a question if that’s ok with you? … I have been reading alot of interviews with (mainly southern) Lebanese. Many of them were saying that they were frighened to stay in their homes in case they are bombed. They were also saying that they were frightened to LEAVE in case they are bombed on the road. As you know Lebanon, I would really like to know what you think?
July 30th, 2006 at 7:54 pm
The massacre took place at around 1:30am after midnight, and we all know that Hizballah fighters only fire rockets at Israel during daytime for a simple reason, not to show the location of rockets launchers, as rockets flame easily shown during the night, further more not any rocket has been reported to be launched towards Israel last night!!
So what big fat world wide lie they trying to feed us!
July 30th, 2006 at 8:07 pm
Roy,
Let’s just assume that all what you said is correct (as if CNN and Washington Post, New York Times and Wiki are all bibles and all what they say are correct), can you give us a similar justification of the other 11000 PoW? Including MORE THAN 1000 CHILD AND WOMEN in the Terrorist State of Israel prisons?
Maybe you should start writing the 11000 pages on wiki now to catch up!!!!!
Listen, I?m sick of all the crap and lies that you and your alike are posting here on my blog. I?ve left a quite big space for you and some others to drop in your poison here. But I can?t take it anymore.
Please, please go away and leave me alone. If you like to continue publishing your lies, go and create your own blog and put all the crap there, and don?t forget to take your supporters with you.
Others,
I?m sorry, but I?m a human. I?m in a state of shock after today massacre, and I just can?t tolerate bullshitting of these liars while my brothers and sisters are dying in Palestine, Lebanon and Iraq. I have to stop this shit from showing up in my blog. I know some might not like it, but this is what might cool me down a bit now, and to show a small respect to the bodies of our child?s, and I will not regret seeing these pro-Israel-terrorism leave from here!!!
Comments are back into moderation until my blog is clean from this crap!
July 30th, 2006 at 8:07 pm
To roy,
is this what israel wants, to make people say that Hezbolla’s strike was before theirs, well ok, they did strike first. second, do they want people to know that they breached UN resolutions, OK, they did. this game of treaties, UN resolutions, WIKIPEDIA articles, can go on forever (not undermining them whatsoever).
look what israel did just because hezbolla captured 2 soldier, it literally destroyed a country, so dont you think that hezbolla’s reaction to get back the captives a little bit justified. you want israel to retaliate like that, and you dont want hezbolla to do the same. lebanon recognizes hezbolla as part of the country (though not everybody is happy about it), as it is behind it, and it cannot afford to have a civil war by being against hezbolla (and no i am not saying that the government wanted hezbolla to start this whole fiasco, and they will definitely work on that issue later, but now all they think about is a cease fire)
we dont need anyone to remind us how it started roy, we all know that, we’re just saying that the intensity of israel’s retaliation is BARBARIC. Why do you think Kofi Anan condemmed this massacre in Qana and called for a cease fire if it wasnt a breach of human rights to LIVE.
July 30th, 2006 at 8:17 pm
No PAUL, you tell me, what would you do in this situation, if you know that you might die on the road or you might die staying home. Tell me, would you be able to make a RATIONAL decision that might affect the fate of your life and your family’s. What are you saying, come on, that some people think they chould leave and others think they should stay????? not all people are alike Paul, not all of them think the same. When you are in a state of war, fear gets the best of you, you cant think rationally, you cant think straight, you are afraid every single minute of your life, and especially that you know you do not have safe havens to hide in (yes i know some of you already criticized the lebanese government for not providing this, so no need to do it again). tell me, why dont the people in haifa and other cities attainable by hezbolla rockets also leave. tell me, dont they fear that they might DIE as well, fearing that a rocket might kill them???????
So dont you come and tell me that Israel told them to leave because they will bomb their village, and this would justify the massacre. NOTHING JUSTIFIES IT, NOTHING.
July 30th, 2006 at 8:30 pm
MAD with ANGER, I was saying nothing, rather I was asking your valued opinion as a Lebanese citizen. Apologies for giving you the wrong impression!
July 30th, 2006 at 8:42 pm
… and I realise that they were fearful and confused because they felt that they would be attacked either way.
July 30th, 2006 at 9:02 pm
Paul,
I apologize if i had been so cassante (as said in french), or rude, angry, shocked….but i cannot start to describe the feeling when you see that your fellow compatriots, and especially children, are dying because they did not hide as israel had told them. this is the 2nd massacre in this village, the 1st one in 1996, and this is the second time israel apologizes for it. Do people expect us every time to accept this apology every time? or should we expect every decade to have massacres.
i dont expect anyone to understand how we feel, it is not the same to have 1 or 2 dying compared to massacres of 50 every single raid (no i am not comparing death tolls and no i am not justiying what hezbolla is doing)
PS to all: do you really think that all people in the south support hezbolla, do you really think that every single woman man and child support them????? well my answer to you is NO. so you cant just keep on throwing “hezbolla use people as shields” or “hezbolla are not letting people leave” cos it is NOT TRUE. Do not believe everything you read or hear. if hezbolla is labeled as terrorists, then it is quite understandable to come up with these sorts of allegations (i know that in some instances they are true)
July 30th, 2006 at 9:03 pm
Paul,
I apologize if i had been so cassante (as said in french), or rude, angry, shocked….but i cannot start to describe the feeling when you see that your fellow compatriots, and especially children, are dying because they did not hide as israel had told them. this is the 2nd massacre in this village, the 1st one in 1996, and this is the second time israel apologizes for it. Do people expect us every time to accept this apology every time? or should we expect every decade to have massacres.
i dont expect anyone to understand how we feel, it is not the same to have 1 or 2 dying compared to massacres of 50 every single raid (no i am not comparing death tolls and no i am not justiying what hezbolla is doing)
PS to all: do you really think that all people in the south support hezbolla, do you really think that every single woman man and child support them????? well my answer to you is NO. so you cant just keep on throwing “hezbolla use people as shields” or “hezbolla are not letting people leave” cos it is NOT TRUE. Do not believe everything you read or hear. if hezbolla is labeled as terrorists, then it is quite understandable to come up with these sorts of allegations (i know that in some instances they are true)
July 30th, 2006 at 9:13 pm
Haitham Says: I?m in a state of shock after today massacre, and I just can?t tolerate bullshitting of these liars while my brothers and sisters are dying in Palestine, Lebanon and Iraq. I have to stop this shit from showing up in my blog…. Comments are back into moderation until my blog is clean from this crap!
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BRAVO !!!
July 30th, 2006 at 9:13 pm
check this out!!!
20 July 2006: Israeli Soldiers use civilians as Human Shields in Beit Hanun
http://www.btselem.org/english/Human_Shields/20060720_Human_Shields_in_Beit_Hanun.asp
July 30th, 2006 at 9:15 pm
A piece on the last Israeli massacre in Qana …
QANA Massacre in Sanctuary; Eyewitness (The Independent, 19 April 1996)
Before anyone clicks on this link, I should warn you that it contains one of the vilest, most upsetting, most anger inducing photo’s that I have ever seen in my entire life, and shows a headless baby of only a few months being passed among soldiers who were on the scene.
July 30th, 2006 at 10:17 pm
I am not a jew nor anti semite. I detesst terrorism and the terrorist tactics from any armed militia atlarge. i also believe that when a country is attacked they have the inalienable right of self defense. I know for a fact that the Hezbollah has been firring Katyusha rockets on a daily basis, and that they do not have an arsenal of laser guided missle systems. I know for a fact that Israel has a vast arsenal of so-called smart bombs that were sent from America. It may be commonj practice for terrorists to use women and children as shields, and it is well understood that there will always be inevitable collateral damage to civilians. WHY DID THE IRAELY MILITARY NOY USE LASER GUIDED SMART BOMBS TO SURGICALLY TAKE OUT THE LAUNCHPADS. In the eyes of the world as well as my own I see clearly that the intent of whomever made the decision was clearly intent on causing injury to civilians. It is known that Israel has smart bombs that can pick a target between buildings and hit a fortified bunker with little or no damage to the surrounding structures. Why ? have any of you asked that question to yourselves? Can someone outhere illuminate me on the subject? Whomever callerd the shot on the target knew all too well what he was doing. And I believe that he has actually set back any and all possibility of halting the hostility. At times I actually think that the thought behind this action is to force the United states into a compromize of having to send American troops in to the war theater. As I dsaid before I am not a practicing jew, but Have many family members that are. Who ever the bozo that called the shot was he knew exactly what he was doing and deep down wanted to insure that the hostile situation in the middle east would expand by enraging the Arab world to lash out with more support from the other Arab nations that have been maintaining in the sidelines. I pray God that this does not lead to a third world war. But thats the way things are looking.Saddened because even one inocent life is to much to sacrifice. Much more that of innocent women and children. Israel has the bellicose technology to utilize weapons that can produce surgical strikes. Not using them when ever the need comes about is outright murder. To the man that called the shot, may god have mercy on your soul, personally I would prefer that you burn in hell.
July 30th, 2006 at 10:23 pm
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July 30th, 2006 at 10:40 pm
More lessons from history …
QANA ANATOMY OF A TRAGEDY Did Israel Wittingly Shell A U.N. Base In Qana? A Disturbing Investigation Is Hotly Disputed [James Walsh, TIME May 20, 1996 Volume 147, No. 21]
July 30th, 2006 at 10:49 pm
Haitham,
Keep the comment moderation on. Those asses, they just come and flood your blog with their stupid arguments whose length seem to be proportional to Israel’s complicity. It is a cheap tactic in debate to derail the discussion like this, but then again, those people have no humanity left in them, let alone ethics of debate.
July 30th, 2006 at 10:55 pm
MAD with ANGER, that’s OK, I can understand your fury at what is happening.
July 30th, 2006 at 11:44 pm
Hey guys, listen, we may not like what pro-israelis are saying, but there is definitely no reason to use harsh language. at least id like to think that people here are those educated ones who can have debates and post comments.
Do i like israelis? no, do i approve what their state is doing, that’s a definite NO NO, do i like the way they defend their government as if they can never do wrong, definitely not. but id like to have the opportunity to show them that what israel is doing is wrong, what it’s doing is terrorism, just like they say about hamas and hezbollah.
so kick them from this blog and we wont have that chance. then you would only find people coming to this blog and say that the massacre they did is inhumane, which we all agree upon.
besides, id like to see people like thomas back here. Tom, where are you???
July 31st, 2006 at 12:09 am
Again to Vadim and Roy,
we don?t expect you saying the truth, we know your point of view, we don?t need it, and specially don?t care for it. As for using wikipdia as source, we all know that it?s not reliable, cause the articles there could be written by you for exemple,as well as CNN, Fox. Permit me to say that defending the massacres is appalling, pretending that Hezbollah is responsable of the death of the lebanese is so false, that doesn?t need to be mentionned. Israel is losing the battle, the crime of this morning is the great evidence of that. No state based on violence and hatery can survive, you just have to review your course of history. As for gentlemen, and good poeple there (like hanane who wants to live in peace) in the occupied Palestine, i urge them to leave the country if they want to be in peace with themselfs, otherwise, they will choose the evil side of the zionists.
July 31st, 2006 at 12:16 am
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July 31st, 2006 at 12:17 am
To The 21st Century Fascists of the World: U.S. Administration:
Killing children while sleeping! This is the most coward, savage and terrorist acts there is; instigated and cheered by you, with your filthy dollars, your weapons of mass destruction and you immoral approval. May the Just God send on the White House, the Pentagon and the Congress a few meteors or eathquakes with their epicenter in the heart of these machines of murder and terror!
To the Israelis Who Support this Zionist Crime: You are a bunch of cowards, hiding behind your superior weapons of mass destruction. You know if it was a man to man fight, the old fasion way, you’ll not last for hours, because you’re so coward to fight face-to-face. You have to go with your weapons of mass destruction, under the cover of the night to kill sleeping children. This is the only glory you’re capable off, you bastards. I was once a naive moderate person who thought peace would be possible with you. Consider that that person was killed with those innocent helpless children you massacred. I will join Hasan Nasrallah group and fight you till victory or death. You are the most sick and arrogant savages that are there in the world today; and my consolation is that I know for sure that “arrogance comes before the fall.”
To the Arab and Muslim Masses: Here?s the solution: The defeated and slumbering Arab and Muslim masses must wake up; should come out in millions, surround the palaces of the evil coward and corrupt rulers of the Muslim-Arab world, all of them, no exception, and give them a chance to surrender for just trials or else!
Then the Arab-Muslim masses should give the oath of allegiance (Bay?ah) to the courageous and noble Sheikh Hasan Nasrullah as their Khalifah of a united Arab-Muslim world. Just doing that would turn the tide against the evil Zionists and their filthy American supporters. They don?t have to start a war against Zionism and the U.S. right away. They have to spend few years arming themselves for determent, including nuclear weapons. That would put an end to the American-Israeli monopoly, and possibly then the evil arrogant ones would be humbled to sit down and then we can dictate our terms for them to stay alive!
July 31st, 2006 at 12:48 am
to fadel abdallah,
i can understand your anger, believe me i know how you feel, i agree that jews dont belong in the middle east, but just as a note for you, the arab world is not only for muslims, there are other non muslim arabs.
July 31st, 2006 at 1:04 am
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July 31st, 2006 at 1:17 am
As I have followed up on the unfolding story of the massacre it was made clear that the katysha missles were being fired from atleast half a kilometer from the building that was hit. Breaking news has come forward with the so-called cessation of air strikes to allow human aid efforts to deliver supplies and to allow the lebanese citizens to leave north without the fear of being attacked. My question is why could they not have done this before? furthermore no one has brought up the issue of the availability of smart laser guided missles in the possesion of the Israely military. The fact that american lives lost to Hezbollah are number two next to Israel is also being brought out. There is a lot of media directed at covering the wounded Israely military personal. Do people not know that one thing is a man in uniform and another an innocent civilian, as if to justify the sacrifice of innocent victims. The most disturbing of all in relation to the massacre was that president bush stated it was a sad thing that this had occurred, and that he hoped that God bless those who died as the result, or something to that effect. How can it be a blessing to innocent victims that died at the hands of an idiot that could have avoided the loss of innocent lives, by using laser guided missles to surgically take out the launchpad. This whole fiasco is beyond my comprehension. Who then will bring up the issue of laser guided smart bombs in the media. or are they being directed not to do so. Just what will the investigation of the so-called unavoidable misshap is it that will be released to the press if any at all. I pray God that there be no more innocent loss of life if it can be avoided. Israel has laser missle guided technology why are they not using it. Or are they trying to insure U.S intervention to help them fight their battle?
July 31st, 2006 at 1:49 am
I am horrified by the deaths of so many innocent children. There is no doubt that Israel did the killings, and is culpable. I understand that passions are high. But I hope that eventually cooler heads will prevail. There are different levels of culpability to horrible acts. If a man drives his car through a green light and a school bus runs a red light into the intersection, the car driver is not culpable. If he’s drunk and he’s the one that runs the red light, hitting the bus, then he’s culpable for irresponsibly driving while drunk. If he was sober when he ran the red light, he’s more culpable, because he deliberately endangered the public, even if he didn’t know there was a bus approaching. If he passed the bus and suddenly cut in front of it, causing it to swerve and fall into a ravine, he’s even more culpable because he saw the danger and did it anyway, even if his intention wasn’t to kill children. If he was angry at the bus company and tossed a grenade into the window, thinking there was no one there, he is even more culpable because he knew he was using lethal force and wasn’t sure that no one was in the bus - again, even though it wasn’t his intention to kill children. If he entered the bus and aimed at the children and machine gunned them all, then the purpose of his act was to kill them, and he’s beyond the pale.
In each of these cases, there is a bus full of dead children, and the tragedies are equally horrible. But the culpability ranges from pure accident to terrorism. I can’t believe that the Israelis wanted this to happen. It’s making them look so bad. Even if they’re completely immoral, they’re not stupid, and they know that it isn’t in their best interests to have this on their heads. I think they are guilty of criminal recklessness, but not of deliberate massacre. It’s important for people of good conscience to make the distinction. As unjust as this act was, it would be even more unjust to deliberately massacre their children in revenge.
July 31st, 2006 at 1:59 am
Haitham,
It is a common notion in the western world, that BRITANNICA and WIKIPEDIA are referred sources. The credibility of these sources is similar to the credibility of CNN and BBC these are propaganda tools in order to safegaurd their face. The provide a psychological motive to their foolish people to mobilise against innocent people. They are like goats, they have to listen to their governments and their queen.
Ok, Just based on the British and American beliefs all arabs are terrorist and war mongerer and we oppress our women, our women are not happy with us.
Then in todays scenario From nelson mandela, Mahatma Gandhi, Chandrasekhar azad, IRA all are terrorists.
The root of the problem is there psychological feeding since child hood they are fed that white means good and black mean bad.
We are always given a racial analogy that not everything is white or black. The authenticity of these news source is also based on the GUN.Remember the memo to Blow up Aljazeera head quarters.
We are free to launch our own brittanica or wikipedia.
July 31st, 2006 at 2:36 am
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July 31st, 2006 at 3:07 am
If the following comment is out of line or injurious. I would not like to be banned from this site if that is the case. Advise me if I am out of line, and if I am to be banned for my comment. I am making my comment from the USA and here we have the right of freedom of speech. I merely want to point out that on fox news today a vidio clip was aired where Bush comments on the misshap at Qanna, He closed off his comment with quote” God Bless those who lost their lives” I have submitted an email to the oreilly@foxnews.com in relation to a segment called the most ridiculous item of the day. Where is this site at? Can you return an email to me and fill me in? you have my email address. When we get the news in America it is not sensored as in most countries abroad.
July 31st, 2006 at 3:30 am
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July 31st, 2006 at 4:59 am
Israel claims that Hezbollah were firing rockets from the area where these children were butchered yet not one journalist found any signs of Hezbollah rockets in the area!
Israel claims they dropped leaflets telling civilians to leave yet they bomb the civilians when they do try to leave as witnessed by the journalists who were with the convoy!
Israel claims the killing of 4 UN observers was an accident yet the UN contacted the Israeli scum at least 6 times advising them that the bombs were landing too close to the UN observers!
Israel is a terrorist state that was founded on terror. It is a shitty little racist state and the it is a lie that it is democratic!
US and UK supplying Israel with weapons yet these HYPOCRITES are asking if Hezbollah have Iranian or Syrian weapons!!
July 31st, 2006 at 5:29 am
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July 31st, 2006 at 5:49 am
The following comment was posted today at a blog called truthdig to which I am a regular contributer. I read this comment and was impressed by it, so I decided to share it with the participants of the Sabbah’s blog!
Comment # 15866 by JChelton
The Answer to the Middle East:
I think it is about time to talk frankly and openly about the Conflict(s) in the Middle East. I do not care if I am called names, labeled as ?Anti Semantic? or anything else my own citizens of the United States think, or the ?Jewish Faith? in general.
Ever since WW2 ended and 3 Caucasian leaders of the 3 ?Super-Powers? decided to ?return to their homeland? the ?Caucasian German Jews? to a piece of Land they carved out, in Arab Land, later to become Israel, there has been killing, oppression, and to me almost 60 years of pure evil, coming out of that part of the world.
The question is, did these 3 leaders of the Super-Powers make a grievous error in ?Re-Locating? these Caucasian German Jews back to their supposed ?Holy Land?? I think it is safe to say, looking at the last 60 years, that yes this was the dumbest idea in the last 70 plus years.
I am a very spiritual man, but since the current local and world news make mistakes all the time on their reporting, who the heck can prove that Caucasian German Jews, came from that part of the world? Neither science nor anything else can prove that. In fact due to the climate conditions, and the ?Darker Skin? of the Arab people protects them from the ever burning sun, it makes sense that ?Caucasian People? did not come from that part of the world.
For 3 Caucasian leaders to randomly decide what they did and to basically steal land from the people whose homes and livelihood depended upon that land, is not only wrong, but to me, it is inhumane.
Why couldn?t they just remain in Germany, the West German side of course? Why couldn?t we have moved them to the United States, like we did with the 1000 Nazi Rocket Scientists, and 800 Nazi Mind Scientists, in Operation Paper Clip?
This comes down to plain simple math. It comes down to what is in the best Interest(s) of the United States. Someone needs to move.
So what is the answer to this grave World War 3 problem? I believe it is, moving the State of Israel to the United States, and returning the land to the Arabs that it was stolen from 58 years ago.
What would Israel lose? They have the strongest, most powerful lobbyist(s) in the United States already. They have the Anti-Defamation League already; they own quite a number of large Corporations in the U.S. etc.
I even know where we could carve out a piece of Land and give Israel their own State, within the United States. Not a Sovereign Country within the United States, like that ungodly place they call Washington D.C., but a real State, just like I live in the State of Washington.
The Land we could give them could be in the large State of Texas, right near the Mexican border. Think about it. That way when we re-located them to their new State, they could bring along their world class wall they are building, and we could use it along the Mexican Border. Then we can give them all jobs in guarding the Mexican border, so we could stop all the illegal immigration into this Country, via that route. It is obvious the Sovereign Country within the United States, Washington D.C. is useless in protecting our borders, and in fact, I believe encourages illegal immigration.
All I know is that if something drastic is not done soon, regarding Israel and our support thereof, we will be involved in a large war, World War 3, which believe me, will make WW2 look like a joke.
It is time for the people in the United States, excluding that Sovereign Country within the United States, Washington D.C., to wake the hell up, and consider the blood all over their hands, and adjust their thinking, way of life etc., to what is good for the Whole World.
The other choice is to continue to do what we do and hand this world over to your Children, Grandchildren, and Great Grandchildren, a world 100 times more dangerous, to suffer through what certainly will become a very meager life.
July 31st, 2006 at 6:45 am
I totally agree with the statements made by the previous blogger, Fadel Abdallah. I beleive that Israel is using far too much force and needs to ceasefire immediately before more civilian lives are lost. Although, Hezbollhah didn’t do the right thing by kidnapping the Israeli soldiers…Israel is doing far much worse by killing women and children that are completely innocent. My love goes out to all the people that have suffered through this tragic battle, May ALLAH bless everyone.
July 31st, 2006 at 8:15 am
God Help the lebanese people for wht they suffer.
i was surfing the net through out the western media and news channels yestrday trying to find a single photo of the massacare that really shockng and melt the frozen feeling in a person,,,but unfortunatly,, or as i was expecting,, there was none..
thanks to this blog there is a small window to the truth that the ppl in the west can really see what is going on in here.
i am a new father, if my son was in one of these pics,, just tell me what u think is the best response?
is it to rise my voice in the UN and seretay council, or take a microhone and yell ” yes yes nasrallah!!”or how about i take a bomb belt and belw up among israeli civilans? oh NO that is terroisim, i cant do that,, only ISRAEL can.
July 31st, 2006 at 8:41 am
http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/07/30/this-is-the-terrorist-state-of-israel-qana-massacre-july-30-2006/
July 31st, 2006 at 11:15 am
At Sabbah’s Blog (30.07.2006) with slideshow : A call to all members of the Arab nations and the peoples of the world open your televisions and see the horrific inhuman sciens committed not only during this massacres, but the results of all massacres committed by the Zionist
July 31st, 2006 at 3:34 pm
There is some differances:
Dead children in Lebanon- Israel is sorry, admitting that a big mistake happend. A victory for Hizballah’s propaganda.
Dead children in Israel-Hizaballah is partying, their goal was achieved.
July 31st, 2006 at 3:38 pm
To all extremists on this blog,
I am really saddened by your extreme disregard for human life and your hatred towards everybody who is not on your side in this conflict. I know it is easy for me to say this when I sit behind my computer screen without having to worry about missiles, bombs, etc. to rain down on my head. But the problem is NOT that bombs are not raining on my head, but that they ARE raining down on your heads with no end in sight. The goal should NOT be to rain rockets and bombs on everybody, but to stop the bombs and rockets from raining down!
I find the Israeli leadership disgusting for their systematic destruction of entire countries with complete disregard for civilian lives. I find Hezbollah disgusting for indiscriminately shooting rockets at Isreal with complete disregard for civilian lives. That people are killed is the sad reality of war that cannot be changed, but the problem is NOT that civilians are killed when soldiers or guerillas are targeted, but that civilians are killed because THEY are targeted. There is NO justification for targeting civilians regardless of which side they belong to.
It is clearly discrimination that Hezbollah is a terrorist organization while the government of Israel is not a terrorist organization. Both sides are deliberately targeting civilians, both sides are using weapons of mass destruction, and both sides rely on collective punishment of civilians. But, the problem is NOT that Hezbollah is recognized as a terrorist organization, but that the government of Israel is NOT recognized for being a terrorist organization as well. There is NO justification for using means of terrorism regardless of which side claim to be defending itself.
If you think that your side can win this war with military actions, then you are wrong. Armies are supposedly fighting for their civilians, but ALL civilians will ALWAYS be the loosers - this is a fact that has been proven over and over again through history. Some of the civilians may be represented by an army that still has soldiers available for being killed when the other army runs out, but the ones asking “was it really worth it?” and the ones agreeing that “we must ensure that it never happens again!” will ALWAYS be the civilians regardless of which side they belong to!
If you are a Hezbollah extremist, then do not dare to compare yourself to a freedom fighter, because as long as you fight your fight as a terrorist you will be a coward with no possible comparison to the WWII freedom fighters of France, Denmark, Germany, etc., the freedom fighters in apartheid South Africa, or to any other freedom fighters who opposed tyranny while still retaining their honor, humanity, and personal integrity!
If you are a Zionist extremist, then do not dare to claim that you defend yourself from being the victim of a new Holocaust, because as long as you fight your fight as a terrorist you will be a coward with no possible comparison to the Jews who retained their honor, humanity, and personal integrity despite being the victims of the Holocaust during WWII. As long as you maintain you illegal occupation and as long as you target the entire population of other countries because a fraction of those populations actively supports violence against your regime, then the only comparison possible is that with the German Nazis or the South African Apartheiders!
How the hell can any of you come to the conclusion that you will be able to accomplish a just and reasonable solution to anything when you continue to support unjust and unreasanble acts of terrorism?!?
I do not have any sympathy for any of you and I will not choose to side with anybody else than the civilians who are victims of your terrorist acts. In this matter I am an extremist, because I only recognize wrong and not ‘more wrong’ or ‘less wrong’ depending on how many civilians you manage to kill on the other side! Stop the blame game, stop your terrorism, stop targeting civilians, stop growing more and more hatred, and start working towards a solution. It is not going to be easy, but terrorism prevents everything else than more terrorism! Get your shit together and act like human beings instead of barbaric savages!
July 31st, 2006 at 6:20 pm
Anyone who thinks they can justify this is a pig, pure and simple, a pig, with not a shred of human decency in his body. The people who create “wars” like these are the same people who have never had wars of bombardment march across their homes.
Fascist pigs applaud this horrific stuff. Back on 9/11 people were outraged at mass murder, now the same people don’t seem to give a damn. It’s sick.
Look at those dead children. They could be anyones kids. Doesn’t that bring a tear to your eye?
July 31st, 2006 at 7:18 pm
Thomas,
as usual, brilliant post. Hope you don’t mind, but I’d like to add my two cents worth.
Since I AM an American, albeit not of the “pigeonholed stereotype” some might prefer I will TRY my best to be objective, offering to the readers here what I perceive part of the misunderstanding is on the part of my own country.
Currently the US administration is fighting an all out “war on terror” while at the same time attempting to “reshape the Middle East”. This administration was given their “cause celeb” after 9/11. What our public does NOT know, or chooses to disreguard when brought to their attention, is that the plan to “reshape the Middle East” was in place LONG before 9/11. 9/11 is merely an excuse. As to the psychology of the different reactions to events, America likes to say over and over that their population is not dancing in the streets chanting “Death to all Arabs”. I suggest this, they don’t need to do this because the government does it for them. As Americans we have the “luxury” of presenting ourselves as “stoic” while our government seeks revenge. With our super-power fire power, we have the ability to overwhelm our so-called “enemy”. The definition of “enemy” is where the problem begins. Once we unleash our weapons killing thousands, the victims of our actions take to the streets. Because their own governments are unable to stop our actions because they cannot possibly match our superiority, the civilians who are the true victims, as you stated, speak out in rage. It is at this point that the civilians become our “enemy” also and it is at this moment that the justification of “mistaken civilian casualties” become less important. The civilians have DARED to raise their voices against us, so, since they have reacted like HUMANS they are now our enemy and the gloves are off. The bottom line is this, the powers that be in the US, AND much of the population, sees anyone of any ilk whatsoever attempting to get in our way as we spread our imperialism as a “nuisance”, an “inferior nuisance” that can easily be taken care of. For all their good intentions (SUPREME SARCASM) THAT is where the neo-cons make their BIGGEST MISTAKE,
Because the masses do not have legitimate militaries, they resort to entities such as Hezbollah. I would like to credit where credit is due. The way I see it, Hezbollah IS Lebanese, but their existance is TOTALLY Israel and Americas doing. I have one question, while you know me well enough to know that I am COMPLETELY against warfare of any measure, and as I have stated prior that I do not justify whatsover Hebollah’s kidnapping of the soldiers (because of the danger it incurred to Lebanon as a whole as obviously witnessed)How can we expect for Hizbollah to lay down their arms while the bombing of Lebanon continues? It is Israel who is the super-power in this situation and it is Israel who sets the tone of the conflict. I do NOT condone Hizbollah for firing indiscriminate rockets into civilian areas but let me make myself clear, at any point in time it is within America’s power to de-escalate this situation but our neo-con administration will not do this due to thier own agenda. In other words, the growing rage on the streets of the Middle East directed at my country rather than Israel first and foremost is COMPLETELY justified. Which again plays into the circle of violence that the neo-cons desire in order to keep themselves in power as the only true defenders of America against terrorism. I pose that if Hizbollah laid down their arms today it would do no good. Because somehow, some way, Israel or America will continue to provoke the violence against them because it is the violence against them which justifies their own behavior and existance. THAT is the root cause.
July 31st, 2006 at 7:28 pm
Dear Thomas,
It is strange that a person who hates extremists is writing like one.
Your message is full of slogans and empty of real meaning. It is clear that you have no idea about this war.
Please Check yourself,
John
July 31st, 2006 at 7:31 pm
When this site was tracked for me, I was under the impression it was a jewish blog site. Atleast that was what was searched for on my search tool. I am legally blind and it is very difficult for me to read even large print without the use of cumbersome magnification aids. I wanted to direct my comments on the massacre directly to Israelies and was hoping to get an answer from them. It is very difficult for me to keyboard as stated before and mostly rely on assistance from my grandchildren. It was not untill I read the blogs in detail with assistance that I was able to identify this site for not being jewish. I believe that my ending up on this site was a matter of guidance from a power beyond the realm of the physical. I have come to the realization that it was not by mere mistake. I am glad that I did end up in this site because I have been able to see for myself the views of those that are directly affected by all that is going on in the middle east, because one thing is to hear it on the news and another from the perspective of actual people caught in the middle. It is sad that the majority of the blogs are spewing anger directed to americans as a whole, I try to take things in stride from the human perspective. I do not BlAME A WHOLE NATION OF PEOPLE AND WISH THEIR DEATH JUST BECAUSE I DO NOT LIKE THE WAY THEIR LEADERS ARE GOVERNING. I HATE FACISM. AND EXTREMEISM FROM EVERY ASPECT. I DO NOT SUPPORT TERROISM, NOR DO I SUPPORT SUPREMACISM. I am a person that has grown beyond all isms and prays to God that leaders throughout the world bring forth a meeting of minds and promote peace not war. I hope that they all come to the realization that by respecting the inalienable rights of all people and their homelands that there will be peace and not war. I am not going to live too much longer due to infirmity, but I pray to God everyday not to allow the loss of innocent lives that are lost in the crossfire or by deliberate use as human shields. Anyone that would use an innocent civilian as a shield regardless of which side Israelie or Arab is the lowest form of life, and it should not be tolerated by anyone. You can judge ME as whatever you want, I side with no one except for the innocent that are caught in the middle. I pray God bring peace of mind to all whom have lost loved ones on both sides. I pray god bless them and above all I pray God to stop the bloodshed of the innocent. I also thank God for the fact that in america we have democratic processes and and constitutional bill of rights, where by if we do not like the actions of our leaders we vote them out and vote in candidates that will hopefully do a much better job. Here in america WE HAVE THE FREEDOM TO COMPLAIN AND PROTEST AGAINST OUR LEADERS IF WE ARE UNHAPPY WITH THE WAY THEY ARE RUNNING OUR NATION. WE HAVE FREEDOM OF SPEECH, WE DO NOT HAVE TO FEAR IMPRISONMENT OR DEATH FOR SPEAKING OUT AGAINST WHAT WE DO NOT AGREE WITH. tHERE ARE MANY SUPREMACIST ORGANIZATIONS IN AMERICA, MANY ARE FROM PARTS OF THE WORLD WHERE AMERICANS ARE HATED. YET MIGRATE TO AMERICA BY THE THOUSANDS AND INSTEAD OF TRYING TO MAKE A BETTER LIFE FOR THEMSELVES, THEY RUIN THE OPPRTUNITIES OF THEIR OWN COUNTRYMEN BY TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE FREEDOM OF SPEECH TO SPEW HATRED AGAINST ALL AMERICANS. WHY DO THEY COME TO AMERICA? IF THEY LOVE THEIR COUNTRY AND THEIR MEN SO MUCH, WHY COME TO AMERICA TO PROVOKE THE ANGER OF EVERYONE AGAINST THOSE THAT HAVE ASSIMILATED AND PUT THEM IN HARMS WAY OF OTHER HATE GROUPS. MUCH TOO MANY INNOCENT VICTIMS OF HATE CRIMES ARE CAUSED BY THEIR OWN COUNTRY MEN THAT COME TO AMERICA ONLY TO SPEW HATRED AGAINST AMERICANS TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE FREEDOMS OF THE AMERICANS THAT THE HATE SO PASSIONATLY. THAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH SUPREMACISM, FROM ALL RACES, THAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH EXTREMEISM AND FANATICISM, IN EVERY RELIGION, WHETHER CATHOLICISM, ISLAMISM, HINDUISM, PROTESTANISM, JEWDEISM, THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH BEING A FAITHFUL ZEALOT, THE WRONG COMES IN WHEN IT DEVELOPS INTO FACIST EXREMEISM,WHEN A PERSONS INALIENABLE RIGHTS ARE BEING VIOLATED. THE ONLY WAY TO ACHIEVE A LONG LASTING PEACE IS BY RESPECTING THE INALIENABLE RIGHTS OF ALL.
August 1st, 2006 at 12:35 am
Robin,
You are right, it is pointless to ask Hezbollah to lay down their arms as long as Israel continues their indiscriminate bombing (actually, I did not call on Hezbollah to roll over and die, I just wish they would fight as freedom fighters and not as terrorists).
The Isrealis may be able to kill everybody fighting for Hezbollah, but another organization will emerge just as fast unless Isreal seriously revises its behavior and action towards its neighbors. Most of the violence begins and ends with Israel and as you also recognize, Israel and the USA feed and sustain the problem while Hezbollah is one of the results - a symptom so to say.
August 1st, 2006 at 12:36 am
Dear John,
Thank you for you completely worthless comment which is as far from a constructive response as responses can get.
Buy a new hat and look at yourself in the mirror,
Thomas
August 1st, 2006 at 9:47 am
Robin,
You are right, it is pointless to ask Hezbollah to lay down their arms as long as Israel continues their indiscriminate bombing (actually, I did not call on Hezbollah to roll over and die, I just wish they would fight as freedom fighters and not as terrorists).
The Isrealis may be able to kill everybody fighting for Hezbollah, but another organization will emerge just as fast unless Isreal seriously revises its behavior and action towards its neighbors. Most of the violence begins and ends with Israel and as you also recognize, Israel and the USA are the source of the problem while Hezbollah is one of the results - a symptom so to say.
August 1st, 2006 at 10:55 am
This is becoming too political and it is taking the personal toll away from the argument.
I saw the Rice meeting with Olmert and they were laughing while waiting for their meal. This seemed like a great meal.
People are starving and are looking for shelter from IOF bombs but Rice is sitting there waiting for a meal and laughing.
Don’t the polititians know that people are suffering?
Is political posturing more important?
Is history not more important than a good meal?
Please don’t tell me that these people have to eat because people in southern Lebanon are trying to get food but the Israeli’s have cut off their supply.
August 1st, 2006 at 12:09 pm
Dear Robin,
I noticed that you have not enough knowledge of the situation.
You said that you are against the attack of Hizballah that started it all and it is right for Israel to respond. However you said that Israel shouldn’t keep bombing Lebanon.
There is your problem. Hizballah is all over Lebanon and is all over the northern border of Israel. You have to understand, if Israel’s response would have been minor the Hizballah would have waited several weeks or monthes and then launched another attack on Israel. Israel has to destroy as much centers and roots of the Hizballah, and Hizballah has lots of them almost in every village and city.
The government of Lebanon just sat for decades and chose to ignore the fact that a country is growing inside them.
The whole world agrees that the terror organization of Hizballah should be dismantled-also United Nations decision number 1559.
The circle of violance started everytime from the Hizballah, and now Israel is trying to stop that from happening again, and since Hizballah stroke roots all over Lebanon, unfortunatly Israel has to attack wide areas.
It is true that Lebanon’s population is suffering very much now, but without that, They will suffer again and again by the attacks of Hizballah.
You said that if Hizballah would give in their weapons Israel’s attack would have been continued. I am really sad to hear that from you. I hope that it is clear after you read my message.
Anyway, Hizballah would have never done that, and its leaders said that if an international force would come to Lebanon to guard the border with Israel it will fight the force and will never give up their weapons.
I hope that the picture is clearer now.
Sincerely and best regards,
Dan
August 1st, 2006 at 12:20 pm
I am from Spain, one of my surenames clearly denotes I have a jewish ancestrors.
By no means I will ever empathise with Israel. Israel’s values are not mine. Israel is a terrorist State. Israel practices genocide and brutal force over innocent people.
The international community has to Stop Israel now. Israel does not have the right of impunity because of the Holocaust. Each jewish death in WWII is worth the same of each palestine or lebanese killed by Israel.
Best wishes
Francisco
August 1st, 2006 at 5:13 pm
to all those who just rush to throw theories and opinions about lebanon or hezbolla’s situation in lebanon, please feel free to come and live in lebanon before you start throwing your not so valued opinions right and left.
So Dan, “It is true that Lebanon?s population is suffering very much now, but without that, They will suffer again and again by the attacks of Hizballah”. Should i read a subliminal message as well, that it is ok for people to suffer as long as hezbolla is defeated or disarmed???? please think again
No one, and i mean no one is entitled to give any biased opinions about lebanon when you probably have never lived in it.
I would like to end my comment by a few facts about lebanon.
1. Lebanon has 18 religious communities.
2. It has 40 daily newspapers.
3. It has 42 universities.
4. It has over 100 banks for a small country(that is banks and not branches of a bank).
5. 70% of the students are in private schools.
6. 40% of the Lebanese people are Christians (this is the highest percent all the Arab Countries).
7. There’s 1 doctor per 10 people in Lebanon (In Europe & America, there’s 1 doctor Per 100 people).
8. The name LEBANON appears 75 times in the Old Testament.
9. The name CEDAR (Lebanon’s tree) appears 75 times too in the Old Testament!!
10. Beirut was destroyed and rebuilt 7 times (this is why it’s compared to the Phoenix).
11. There are 3.5 Million Lebanese in Lebanon.
12. There are around 10 Million Lebanese outside Lebanon!
OTHER INTERESTING FACTS:
1. Lebanon, the country, was occupied by over 16 countries:
(Egyptians-Hittites-Assyrians- Babylonians- Persians- Alexander the great- The Roman Empire Byzantine- the Arabian Peninsula -The Crusaders- the Ottoman Empire- Britain-France- Israel).
2. Byblos (city in Lebanon) is the oldest, continuously living city in the world.
3. Lebanon’s name has been around for 4,000 yrs non- stop (it’s the oldest country/Nation’s name in the world!)
4. Lebanon is the only Asian/African country that doesn’t have a desert .
5. There are 15 rivers in Lebanon (all of them coming from its own mountains).
6. Lebanon is one of the most populated countries in its archaeological sites, in the World!!!
7. The first alphabet was created in Byblos (city in Lebanon).
8. The only remaining temple of Jupiter (the main Roman god) is in Baalbeck,Lebanon (The City of the Sun).
9. The name of BYBLOS comes from the BIBLE !!!
10. Lebanon is the country that has the most books written about it .
11. Lebanon is the only non-dictatorial country in the Arab world (Yes,we do have a President!).
12. The Phoenicians (Original People of Lebanon) built the 1st boat, and they were The first to sail ever !
13. Phoenicians also reached America long before Christopher Columbus did.
14. The 1st law school in the world was built in Lebanon, in Downtown Beirut.
15. People say that the cedars were planted by God’s own hands. This is why they’re Called ” The Cedars of God”, and this is why Lebanon is called ” God’s Country on Earth.”
August 1st, 2006 at 5:30 pm
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August 1st, 2006 at 6:24 pm
Dear John,
You say I don’t have enough knowledge about the situation. I am very sorry to hear you say that since I formerly lived in Beirut during the civil war there, currently have family there, have many Lebanese friends of both the Muslim and Christian faiths and am very much aware of Mad with Anger’s facts given.n (thank you MWA) Lebanon is a BEAUTIFUL country with BEAUTIFUL people who after years of strife just recently have been able to rise from the ashes (again, as MWA’s fact pointed out, always the ‘Phoenix’, always God’s land)Also as MWA has pointed out, Lebanon has a HIGH Christian population which is now radicalized to a great degree due to Israel’s actions. The way I see it, it does not matter what religion the Lebanese are, they are ALL victimes in this because of Israel’s TOTAL OVERREACTION to this situation. Have you ever heard the expression, “The only person you can control is yourself”
Secondly, when you stated that I said it was right for Israel to respond to Hezbollah’s kidnapping you are taking my statement completely out of context. Firstly, the soldiers were kidnapped and the other’s killed WITHIN LEBANESE TERRITORY which has been occupied for years by Israel. http://www.shebaafarms.org/briefhistory.html
When Israel insists on continuing it’s occupation of it’s neighboring Arab lands supposedly for “security reasons”, it only serves to do the opposite. When entities such as Hizbollah or Hamas strike back militarily such as the action they took by kidnapping the soldiers Israel cries “FOUL!!” How dare a group of militias exist in the first place and how DARE they strike at us. I truly believe, mind you this is my own personal opinion, that Israel has begun their endeavors in Lebanon and Gaza out of WEAKNESS not strength. I could go on and on about the dozens of UN sanctions that Israel has ignored, the brutality of the occupation, the desperate LIEING tactics used by the Zionists and it all comes back to one thing: It is Israel who has refused to live at peace with her neighbors. The mentality is one of brute force which IS a sign of weakness rather than strenghth. It is the victim (Holocost) become VICTIMIZER. It really does not take a brain surgeon to figure this one out. According to you, the enemy is everywhere, I think you need to look within your own midst to see where the true enemy to peace lies. (Kimmy, I don’t usually go into the political as much but the fact remains it is in the politicians hands and as you said, “They’re out to a fine dinner”. The politicians are playing their chess game while people are sufferning before our eyes, HORRENDOUS suffering. Please note, in my above post I was trying to explain how the politicians have basically reduced this suffering by criminalizing the victims. It is a SICK INMORAL situation. I know you have abandoned your faith, which is ABSOLUTELY a personal choice, I have nothing whatsoever to comment on that, we’ve discussed it before so you know how I feel. I think you might like this site though simply because it is what your grandmother probabaly adhered to (hope I’m not jumping to conclusions)
http://www.tikkun.org/ and please read this add placed by them in the New York Times today http://www.tikkun.org/rabbi_lerner/news_item.2006-07-25.1817694454
the ad they placed is so very humanistic I think you will agree to most of what it says. True men of peace)
August 1st, 2006 at 6:49 pm
Yeah, Israel is a terrorist state, no doubt about that. Lets not forget Jenin, Huda Ghalya’s family, Shabra and Shatilla, and of course, An-Nakba and Deir Yassin in 1948. This is simply one out of many.
Terrorism is the most salient nature of Israel. Without it, they cannot survive.
- MENJ
August 2nd, 2006 at 12:23 pm
As MAD with ANGER suggested in this comment, the following documentary video is worth the time to watch, so I’m sharing it here: Peace, Propaganda & the Promised Land provides a striking comparison of U.S. and international media coverage of the crisis in the Middle
August 2nd, 2006 at 1:16 pm
this comment
August 2nd, 2006 at 1:31 pm
Dear all,
a friend of mine just sent me this link http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7828123714384920696, it’s a documentary about the israeli media and lobby in regards to the middle east conflict and especially the israeli-palestinian conflict.
i urge you all to watch it, haytham i think this documentary is a subject by itself. and to those who SUPPORT israeli position in any war it engages itself in, please feel free to say that it is justified, please justify what it does, please look at what it is doing to people, and please see how it is shown to the rest of the world, please look how israel is always shown as the VICTIM and having the right to defend itself, please say that it is a lie, i bet you CAN’T. Funny how life is so cynical, or shall I say, israel is so cynical.
I REST MY CASE
August 2nd, 2006 at 2:47 pm
MAD with ANGER,
As you are the ‘local’ Lebanon expert, I hope you do not mind a couple of questions
When the Zionists started their rampage I saw reports that the Lebanese military were carrying out humanitarian support of civilians in the Lebanese towns and cities targeted by the Israeli forces. I also read that the Israelis had bombed some facilities belonging to the Lebanese military (though the Zionists are claiming that they are at war with Hezbollah and not with Lebanon or its civilian population). About ten days ago I saw that your Minister of Defense warned Israel that the Lebanese army would be actively participating in the fighting if Isreal should decide to invade Lebanon. After that I have not really heard anything about the status of the Lebanese military.
What is the situation for the Lebanese armed forces at the moment? Do Lebanese people support that they do not join the fight or do they argue that the army should join Hezbollah’s militia?
When the Zionists hit Lebanese military installations more than once I can only see that as a clear provocation to make the military join the fight - and give Israel an ‘excuse’ for a total invasion (and maybe even ask the bush to send his imperial storm troopers to help Israel against a ‘completely unwarranted agression’ by the state of Lebanon). Is this something people in Lebanon are talking about? What is your take on the situation?
It is well known that Israel is the most militaristic country in your corner of the world and that the armies of sorrounding countries are armies of ants compared to the huge Israeli military machinery. How ‘big’ is the Lebanese military compared to the Hezbollah militia? Are there other Lebanese militias that could/would join the fight before the Lebanese military?
August 2nd, 2006 at 5:00 pm
Thomas,
I will try and answer your question.
Regarding the military capability of the LAF:
Military branches:
Lebanese Armed Forces (LAF): Army, Navy, and Air Force
Military service age and obligation:
18-30 years of age for compulsory and voluntary military service; conscript service obligation - 12 months (2004)
Military expenditures - dollar figure:
$540.6 million (2004)
Military expenditures - percent of GDP:
3.1% (2004)
Source https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/le.html#Military
Regarding the Capability of the IDF:
Israel Defense Forces (IDF): Ground Corps, Navy, Air and Space Force (includes Air Defense Forces); historically there have been no separate Israeli military services
Military service age and obligation:
17 years of age for compulsory (Jews, Druzes) and voluntary (Christians, Muslims, Circassians) military service; both sexes are eligible for military service; conscript service obligation - 36 months for men, 21 months for women (2004)
Manpower available for military service:
males age 17-49: 1,492,125
females age 17-49: 1,443,916 (2005 est.)
Military expenditures - dollar figure:
$9.45 billion (2005 est.)
Military expenditures - percent of GDP:
7.7% (2005 est.)
Source : https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/is.html#Military
As you can clearly see, the LAF is no match for the IDF.
If the LAF decide to engage the Israeli Army, it would mean the destruction of all remaining infrastructure. But they will soon be functional and will take over the Southern Lebanese Border.
Some people think that the LAF should engage the IDF because their “raison d’etre” is precisely being called upon at these times, however, as the Lebanese State did not start this war on the “state of Israel”, they are remaining out of the areas of combat; which reflects at the actual status the feelings of the Lebanese population.
However, the Amal militia and the Communist Party have fighters who have also joined forces with Hezbolla. Until now, there seem to be no wish from the IDF to occupy Lebanon. God forbids that this will happen.
As for your other comments, I will answer you in a poetic manner.
We have a tunnel seperating Jounieh from Beirut. On this tunnel, there is a very small bronze inscription. The content is not quite so important. It used to represent the frontiers between
However, this is all the trace left by previous invadors. Invadors come and go, only Lebanon prevails.
August 2nd, 2006 at 5:42 pm
Thomas, a dane
this is the humble opinion of a 32 year old woman, not an expert
who has no political background, political affiliation except to world peace or military experience. however, below would be MY logical (as most lebanese) down to earth answers.
1. About ten days ago I saw that your Minister of Defense warned Israel that the Lebanese army would be actively participating in the fighting if Israel should decide to invade Lebanon. After that I have not really heard anything about the status of the Lebanese military.
True. The Lebanese army forces are in defensive positions, and the IDF are still away from these positions. The IDF needs to cross Hezbollah positions in the South first, in order to reach the Lebanese army positions (north of Litany river), and this hasn’t happened so far because there is no official Lebanese army presence South of Litany river, only Hezbollah. Currently the Lebanese anti-aircraft divisions are working against invading planes and this is on all the news websites.
2. What is the situation for the Lebanese armed forces at the moment? Do Lebanese people support that they do not join the fight or do they argue that the army should join Hezbollah?s militia?
The statement given by our minister of defense was clear. He said if an invasion takes place, the Lebanese army would defend when needed. But so far, Hezbollah is pushing back the IDF.
3. When the Zionists hit Lebanese military installations more than once I can only see that as a clear provocation to make the military join the fight - and give Israel an ?excuse? for a total invasion (and maybe even ask the bush to send his imperial storm troopers to help Israel against a ?completely unwarranted aggression? by the state of Lebanon). Is this something people in Lebanon are talking about? What is your take on the situation?
Wrong. Lebanese people know and trust their Lebanese army, they know it doesn’t have the force to join a bull’s fight, and they trust it won’t take any decision that may add more destruction to the Lebanese country. When IDF is hitting Lebanese army positions, it is in the purpose to let them out of the war, they are only hitting small targets, as if to send messages that if you get involved we can hit you more.
4. It is well known that Israel is the most militaristic country in your corner of the world and that the armies of surrounding countries are armies of ants compared to the huge Israeli military machinery. How ?big? is the Lebanese military compared to the Hezbollah militia? Are there other Lebanese militias that could/would join the fight before the Lebanese military?
The Lebanese army can be described more as an Internal police (hence its vision to be neutral i suppose, little it knew that it wld need a strong army; besides, syria made sure not to let the lebanese army get armed), it doesn’t have the infrastructure of an army, and it doesn’t have air or marine units. It has infantry units and some artillery units, whereas other Arab armies like Syria and Egypt and Jordan have a real army with all kinds of weaponry and divisions. Other Lebanese ( Amal, Communist party) and Palestinian (Ahmad Jibril, Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine - General Command) small militias may be currently operating in the South and the Bekaa valley against the IDF offensive.
i hope i answered your questions
August 2nd, 2006 at 9:25 pm
Antoine,
Thanks for providing Thomas detailed info about the lebanese army. Well done
long live our beloved country lebanon
August 2nd, 2006 at 9:39 pm
I just saw war movies that show Hezbolla shot missles from inside civil building. After seening that I understand why Israel attacked that building in Qana.
It is shamed that so many innocence people died but the real responsibles are Hezbolla that risk there own people cowardly.
August 2nd, 2006 at 9:56 pm
Mad with Anger,
Thank you for you answers, which actually confirmed most of my assumptions about the ‘mentality’ of Lebanon and its people - this is meant as a compliment!
BTW, I think you are an excellent expert on how you feel about the situation and what you see around you. I will use you as a resource when further questions come up
Thanks,
Thomas
August 2nd, 2006 at 9:59 pm
I just want to say that there are always two sides to a coin, as there are with stories, civilian murder is sad and distasteful expecially when children become part of the equation, I am one to not judge until all parties involved have their say. I beleive that there is to much hatred to have bias opinions but it started somewhere and until the original argument is solved no cease fire or stop of violence would occur on either side, one side = isreals utter destruction, the other wants to be left alone and just allowed to live in peaceful existance, problem = war has been going on so long no one knows what that would be like, no one remembers what peace is…..one side is as stubborn as the other….Two brothers fighting but not caring about who else around them gets hurt….If hezbollah cared about the population of lebanon they wouldnt ask or force (depending on where the information comes from)civilians to store there weapons and people in there homes or backyards, but yet on the other hand the isrealis do overdose the retaliation a bit, thats why the casualties are always more on the ones who stand in the middle, The lebanese government had the opportunity to set things right in the original cease fire from the war prior but because it didnt whether in fear of hezbollah or of popular views in the government they didnt step in a try to stop isreal themselves whether with fighting or with something more than words, the only way to stop a bully from bullying(again depending on view of who the bully is) is not with words, that just doesnt seem to work, but with force not just from the outside but from within….children are the worst victims to any war because they are our future. And a seperate message: live and let live does not seem to be a view of the extremists (I will not use the word terrorist because again it depends on your view on who that could be, and youd be right no matter who you picked), Thank you for allowing me to speak and have my say…..Bless all who are in the war zone…May Allah or God be with you……
August 2nd, 2006 at 11:56 pm
I have been reading with interest some of the comments. Firstly may i say i dont profess to have a wealth of knowledge about the situation in Lebanon, but to a certain extent i can compare the situation to my own homeland, Ireland. First i wish to exptress my total disgust at Israel for their actions, i could write a thousand pages on them but one word will suffice DEPLORABLE. I realise because they are backed up by an imperialist America they do not think they should care aboput how the rest of the world sees them. I would also like to say, though, the Hizbollah do thenselves no favours either. Why do they attack civilians? Why no fight like freedom fighters, like the Irish Republican Army did. The IRA were recognised as one of the most sucsessful guerilla organisations in the world. Most people sympathized with them because of the brutallity the irsh people living in the occupied six countys of Ireland faced by the British. They were recognised as freedon fighters around the world, even in America, because they did not deliberatley innocent civilians. The name of Bobby Sands would be known on most peoples lips (Iran even named a street after him) as that of an IRA volunteer prepared to die for freedom. They went through years of hardships in jail to demand the right to be treated as POWS, not criminals. They won. They won that right due to their disciplined nature. Maybe Hizbollah should take note and maybe they would gain that same support and solidarity around the world. But to end my letter would like to tell the oppressed poeple of Lebanon a qoute from another hungerstriker to raise their spirits. ” It is not those who inflict the most, but those who endure the most who will conquer”. ‘Terence Mc Swiney’
August 3rd, 2006 at 12:26 am
In all of the news we hear out of Lebanon we hear “numbers dead”. We don’t know their ages, we don’t know their names, they are just numbers. We have seen some of the bodies, we have heard the outrage and on the other hand the excuses of the “mistake”. What we forget sometimes is that these were living human beings before this tragedy occured. They had lifes full of futures, they loved, they had hopes to become something, they were alive. No matter where you stand on this issue, this cannot be denied. This is todays official Red Crescent report of the dead so far recovered from the Qana massacre.
The names of those confirmed killed from Lebanese Red Cross and Tyre hospital records are:
1. Ahmad Mahmud Shalhub, 55
2. Ibrahim Hashim, 65
3. Husna Hashim, 75
4. ‘Ali Ahmad Hashim, 3
5. ‘Abbas Ahmad Hashim, 9 months
6. Hura’ Muhammad Qassim Shalhub, 12
7. Mahdi Mahmud Hashim, 68
8. Zahra Muhammad Qassim Shalhub, 2
9. Ibrahim Ahmad Hashim, 7
10. Ja’far Mahmud Hashim, 10
11. Lina Muhammad Mahmud Shalhub, 30
12. Nabila ‘Ali Amin Shalhub, 40
13. ‘Ula Ahmad Mahmud Shalhub, 25
14. Khadija ‘Ali Yusif, 31
15. Taysir ‘Ali Shalhub, 39
16. Zaynab Muhammad ‘Ali Amin Shalhub, 6
17. Fatima Muhammad Hashim, 4
18. ‘Ali Ahmad Mahmud Shalhub, 17
19. Maryam Hassan Muhsin, 30
20. ‘Afaf al-Zabad, 45
21. Yahya Muhammad Qassim Shalhub, 9
22. ‘Ali Muhammad Kassim Shalhub, 10
23. Yusif Ahmad Mahmud Shalhub, 6
24. Qassim Samih Shalhub, 9
25. Hussain Ahmad Hashim, 12
26. Qassim Muhammad Shalhub, 7
27. Raqita Mahmud Shalhub, 7
28. Rukaya Muhammad Hashim, unknown
The numbers are fewer than first told, but that is irrelevent. Each one of these now dead people was ALIVE and now they are gone from us forever. Each one of these people was a child of our creator just like ourselves. Each one of these people was innocent of any crime. Each one of these people had a name. I ask that everyone reading here, wherever you are, no matter where you stand on this current conflict, to say each name, let it cross your lips in prayer. Let yourselves mourn for the life lost and pray that the carnage ends. Take a moment to contemplate what you yourself can do to ensure that no more people suffer in this current situation. For this I ask, in our creator’s name. Peace.
August 3rd, 2006 at 2:40 am
Day 20 report on war casualties in Lebanon
Wednesday, 2 August, 2006 @ 2:54 AM
Beirut ? The terrorizing war between Israel and Hezbollah continues to escalate and the world community has failed to stop the violence. The number of killed in Lebanon so far is 832 and the number of injured is 3243. Most of them are children, women and elderly civilians.
war- anti war protest - spare the children.jpg
The number of displaced has reached 913,760? the Lebanese have become refugees in their own land.
Lebanon is a beautiful and tiny country of 4 million peaceful people.
In order to understand the magnitude of the loss, Ya Libnan compared USA to Lebanon
The number of deaths would be equivalent to 62325 in USA or more than 20 times the deaths of Sept 11, 2001
The number of wounded would be equivalent to 243225 in USA or about 12 times the number of US troops wounded in Iraq.
The number of displaced would be equivalent to 69 million in USA , or about a quarter of the US population
http://yalibnan.com/site/archives/2006/08/day_20_report_o.php
America, please listen to the cries from Lebanon.
America, put yourself in the place of Lebanon.
America, call for a stop to the carnage in Lebanon.
America, pray for Lebanon.
America, know what this is doing to us in the eyes of the world.
America, seek peace.
August 3rd, 2006 at 6:25 am
The Israelis are wrong!
Hezbollah are wrong.
Robin, I have no religios beliefs now. NON!
It is actually a great relief for me.
I have lost my mother-in-law, my mother, and my wifes aunt in the last 6 months.
We are coping great because there is no religion involved.
I think that religion is the root of all evil.
August 4th, 2006 at 8:28 pm
my deepest condoleances kimmy. I hope that the souls of your loved ones rest in peace.
August 5th, 2006 at 3:15 pm
chech this site for info about damage in lebanon to date:
http://www.lebanonundersiege.gov.lb/english/F/Info/Page.asp?PageID=130
August 6th, 2006 at 11:51 am
It appears that the word terrorist only applys to the muslim people. I am english and non religious - in fact a non beliver of any god. Israels action against lebanon is un justified and indeed an ACT OF TERRORISM and Israel has become a TERRORIST ORGANISATION/STATE like HAMASS its current offensive target. No matter what Israel believes or is surporters, Israel has fueled yet another a generation of haters in the arab world,europe and asia. Its only a matter of time if this contiunes , before the sister countries of the muslim world join force against this constant aggression from Israel, USA and the UK. please STOP THIS FIGHTING NOW. ALL ARMIES - PULL YOUR FORCES OUT OF LANDS THAT ARE NOT YOURS. STOP IMPOSSING YOUR VALUES ON OTHER PEOPLES. STOP POKING YOUR NOSES IN TO BUSINESS THAT DOESNT INVOLVE YOU.. THESE COUNTRIES CLEARLY DONT WANT YOU HELP!!!!!!!!!
WHATEVER WILL THE DESTRUCTION OF BOTH YOUR PEOPLES DO.
YOU DEFEND YOUR SELF IN YOUR OWN BACK YARD. IF YOUR IN SOMEONE ESLES YOUR ATTACKING!!!!!!!!!!
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August 11th, 2006 at 9:41 pm
Muslime im Libanon und anderswo sp?stens jetzt nicht mehr am Frieden mit Israel interssiert sind und Hisbollah, Hamas und all die anderen Idiotentruppen jetzt massiven Zulauf bekommen werden, bedarf allerdings auch keiner weiteren Erkl?ng. [IMG Gefährlicher Hisbollah Kämpfer tot] Selber Schuld, der olle Hisbollah Und alle stinkenden Mittelstands-Antifa-Pissflitschen sowie die J?des Thomas von der Osten-Sacken (sic!), die auch weiterhin aus lauter antifaschistischer Selbstverliebtheit diesen Krieg bejubeln oder von einem
August 12th, 2006 at 10:12 pm
The defense of violence on either side is always to attempt to relativize it. Death is not relative, nor is pain. The fact of murder is not ameliorated by history. The fact that you walk upright does not make you a human being. Until you feel compassion for all beings, you are a tool of forces beyond your understanding. Each act of hatred is a brick in the wall of a prison that keeps you from discovering your true nature. Nations, races, and borders are collective hallucinations. Wake up. Life is short. Wake up.
August 18th, 2006 at 4:24 pm
i KNOW israel and its people should burn in hell…wait do they believe in a hell yet??…no because first they kill the messiah rememba him…JESUS? AND now they are the cause and the centre of all probalems in the world…KEEP WHEAPING TO YOUR WALLS!!
Lebanon WILL make it like it has 4 the past years!!!
August 19th, 2006 at 10:19 am
The terrorist state of Israel and there backers - the US have the blood of every dead Lebanese on their hands. This is a crime. This is mass murder.
Israel is at fault. They started this was by occupying south Lebanon.
I hope every jew ***** for this.
August 28th, 2006 at 12:19 am
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