No offense, but you do not count ;)

I hear what you are saying, and I largely agree, but I think it is time for the Muslims to stop sticking their heads into the sand (do you notice that there is still no ‘Muslim’ response to my ‘provocation’) and come out into the open about how they feel. Yes, I did put hard against hard in a desperate attempt to finally get a reaction, because I know from experience that Muslims are conflict shy when it comes to speaking up against another Muslim, no matter how unreasonable, repulsive, and agressive he/she is.

I know cultural communication is a balance of give and take, but this really is something Muslims need to deal with if they want some respect – not just from me, but particularly from everybody else in the west. Culturally, it may be that a Muslim should not criticise another Muslim no matter how brain-dead he is, but this lack of -let’s call it- self-critique is the main reason why Muslims are perceived as arrogant, stubborn, backwards, and impossible to reason with. Not exactly the concept any of the sides should convey to the other.

In order to create a clear channel of communication, both sides need to bend a bit and let a few things ‘slide’ here and there, but Muslims’ lack of credibility due to their inability to admit that not everything that comes out of the mouth of every Muslim is gold is a serious barrier!

Everybody,

I know somebody (I think it was John) posted a link to a Zionist propaganda manual a while ago – the one with a mail sent to a ton of pro-Zionists describing how to evade critcism and redirect all blame onto everybody else but Israel. I think it was a link to the Jewish University (of Jeruslam?) in Israel or something, but I have not been able to identify the post to find the link. If somebody knows what I am talking about, please post the link.

To the Muslims around the World,

I do not agree with the Middle East policies of the people who are supposed to represent me and I am definitely not alone. We are still in minority, but our numbers are growing towards the point where we will one day be able to make a real difference.

I am not able to change the world, but I can discuss the problems with people around me and try to make them understand that our policies are wrong. That is my contribution to promote liberty for everybody. I am not being paid to do it, but I take the time to do it because I see it as my resposibility as a human being to follow my conscience and promote equal liberty for all. That is what I can do.

When some ‘Western’ shirt sleeve makes extremist remarks about people in the Middle East and promotes violation of your rights through indiscriminate agression then I speak up in your defense. When some ‘Muslim’ shirt sleeve, like Samina and Aiyn, makes extremist remarks about people in the ‘West’ and promotes violation of my rights through indscriminate agression then you just sit on your big sofas with your mouths shut.

Tell me; why the flower should I care about the situation you are living in when you clearly do not give a bicycle about the situation I am in? Why the flower should I do what I can to prevent ‘Western’ extremism against you when you do nothing to prevent ‘Muslim’ extremism against me?

I am seriously beginning to wonder why I speak up against those in my part of the world who wants to build walls to keep Muslims out! Do you say “We come in peace” with one side of your face while the other side yells “Kill, kill, kill” – just like the Zionists do it? Am I digging my own grave in blissful ignorance by promoting that you should be received with open arms?

Should I take up knitting or porcelain painting instead of wasting my time discussing with you?

It has nothing to do with Muslims or non-Muslims. Vulgar words are not acceptable, and when I spot them, I delete the comment, regardless of the history of the commentator.

As for racist remarks by some, let me remind you that non-Muslims also used hateful and threat language, however, this is subjective and is seen differently by different side of the story. I don’t think comparison is correct between the racism speech and use of vulgar words.

So you are confirming that there is a hierarchy of ‘offenses’ by commenters and that it is uncivilized when a non-Muslim commenter use vulgar words to address an Islamic extremist who has made hateful threaths with clear racistic undertones against a non-Muslim commenter (as my post was censored), but it is a civilized, objective, and clean contribution to the discussion when an Islamic extremist makes a racistic and hatefull call for death and destruction to all non-Muslims (as those posts are not censored)?

Sorry, but I cannot understand that.

I think I have the draft notepad document somewhere, so I will change the vulgar wording and see if the re-post goes through, because Muslim racism is a serious topic that needs to be addressed if there is ever to be clear and respectful communication between Muslims and non-Muslims. Cross-cultural relations without mutual respect are not friendships, they are preludes to war and destruction for everybody.

You are free to express your opinion and disagree with whoever you see wrong, however, I expect from all not to use vulgar words to call other commentators. Just to keep the discussion civilized.

I’m sure that you agree that if the people you called names (as***les, etc…) would reply in the same tone to you and then you can expect how civilized this will be.

Bottom line, I have no problem what you criticize or agree with, even when related to religion, etc… as far as the discussion is objective and clean.

Thanks for understanding!

I wrote a posting this morning which it appears that you have decided to censor out. This, I find quite a bit strange considered the seriousnes and relevance of the contents.

Yes, it clearly gives the impression that I am angry, but I am very angry at people like Samina (whose post provoked my angry reaction) and I am angry at all the people who silently agree with her!

You probably will respond with something about the rules of this blog, but I think that would be a bit bigotted as you do not censor the posts of Samina and her ilk.

It appears that on your blog everybody is equal, but some are more equal than others based on your own rules and your enforcement of those rules.

Samina’s post is clearly a personal attack on me (another commentor) though it is directed at all non-Muslims (among others myself). My post may be judged as a personal attack on Samina and Aiyn, but I think that qualifies as self-defense. My post is not an attack on Muslims, though my use of strong wording may be a bit provocative (which is intentional).

The posts of Samina and Aiyn are racistic as they generalize and attribute negative traits to ALL non-Muslims. You may claim that I generalize as well, but I address those Muslims who do not speak up against racism against non-Muslims – which unfortunately seems to be a majority! Regardless, the posts of Samina and Aiyn definitely qualify as hateful, while my post did not call for death and destruction on anybody!

Maybe scurrilous? Well, Samina and Aiyn deliver a scurrilous message without using scurrilous words while I deliver an argumented message with scurrilous words.

I find Samina an Aiyn’s racism and pure hatred quite negative, while I do not see how urging people to discuss something negative (like racism and hatred) is negative in itself. But, maybe you deem my post to create an unpleasant controversy? =:O

What I interpret from this – without having heard your argumentation – is that in the hierarchy of ‘offenses’ by commenters on your blog it is more offensive to use scurrilous words and request Muslims to do an unpleasant self-evaluation than it is to promote racism and hatred towards non-Muslims!

Sorry, Haitham, but you pile onto my dissapointment over Muslims’ refusal to stand up against racism regardless of who it is targeted at :(

We have spent a lot of time on your blog with discussing whether all Muslims are terrorists, but apparently it is not important to discuss whether all Westerners are imperialists. Am I your enemy as well?!?

Israel and its allies are planning a massive ethnic cleansing of muslim population. From U.K to India, they have created a database of all the muslim holding senior positions, politicians. They would like to disarm and neutralise any potent force to protect islamic world such as hezbollah and some other organizations.

Now they are profiling people, during their travel. All the islamic world, should enforce profiling of westerners and non-muslims.

No westerner or their allies shall be granted immunity after lebaneese and qana massacre. Nor their leaders or their queen or their predecessors who are present in iraq shall be immune.