Comments on: Are you Extremist or Moderate? http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/09/18/are-you-extremist-or-moderate/ Because Silence is Complicity! Tue, 08 Nov 2011 15:10:04 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Robin http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/09/18/are-you-extremist-or-moderate/#comment-278102 Robin Wed, 20 Sep 2006 20:37:03 +0000 http://sabbah.biz/mt/?p=1618#comment-278102 Update on Maher Hathout, on Monday, the LA City Council voted to reaffirm the granting of the John Allen Buggs Humanitarian Award awarded to Dr. Hathout for his work in interfaith relations in Los Angeles. You can find the article here: http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/front/la-me-muslim19sep19,1,5066150.story?coll=la-headlines-frontpage As Moi stated, there was a concerted campaign to strip Dr. Hathout of the award. The final vote was only four out of fourteen in favor of reaffirming but they DID reaffirm although it is frought with contraversy. Here you can see a video of Dr. Hathout speaking in 2000 which was used as part of the campaign against him http://youtube.com/watch?v=n6_LwJ4Dd_o On a site which was campaigning against him the following was stated "His use of language would certainly intensify problems and not helped anything. He calls Israel Apartheid and Racist... knowing that this is painful to a large segment of the Los Angeles Jewish community. He does not respect the sensitivities of the Jewish community." So, there you go, say it like it is and you are not a "moderate Muslim" worthy of any award. Update on Maher Hathout, on Monday, the LA City Council voted to reaffirm the granting of the John Allen Buggs Humanitarian Award awarded to Dr. Hathout for his work in interfaith relations in Los Angeles. You can find the article here:
http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/front/la-me-muslim19sep19,1,5066150.story?coll=la-headlines-frontpage
As Moi stated, there was a concerted campaign to strip Dr. Hathout of the award. The final vote was only four out of fourteen in favor of reaffirming but they DID reaffirm although it is frought with contraversy. Here you can see a video of Dr. Hathout speaking in 2000 which was used as part of the campaign against him http://youtube.com/watch?v=n6_LwJ4Dd_o On a site which was campaigning against him the following was stated “His use of language would certainly intensify problems and not helped anything. He calls Israel Apartheid and Racist… knowing that this is painful to a large segment of the Los Angeles Jewish community. He does not respect the sensitivities of the Jewish community.”
So, there you go, say it like it is and you are not a “moderate Muslim” worthy of any award.

]]> By: kimmy http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/09/18/are-you-extremist-or-moderate/#comment-277912 kimmy Wed, 20 Sep 2006 01:10:15 +0000 http://sabbah.biz/mt/?p=1618#comment-277912 Robin, Go to the link and you will find that Bush (for the time being) will stop saying Islamic Fascists. What is Fascism? When a government and corporations controll the country and the economy! Now tell me who is the Fascist Regime? Keep lying and twisting the words to meet your needs and the masses will eat out of your hand. Bush has created the largest terrorist threat in the world through his pollicies and at the same time he says that we have to trust him to controll these threats. Soon your economy will collapse because of his economic descisions that has driven your defecit up by trillions of dollars. And he studdied economics at Harvard, or where-ever. What a joke! Sorry, I digress. Robin,
Go to the link and you will find that Bush (for the time being) will stop saying Islamic Fascists.
What is Fascism?
When a government and corporations controll the country and the economy!
Now tell me who is the Fascist Regime?
Keep lying and twisting the words to meet your needs and the masses will eat out of your hand.
Bush has created the largest terrorist threat in the world through his pollicies and at the same time he says that we have to trust him to controll these threats.
Soon your economy will collapse because of his economic descisions that has driven your defecit up by trillions of dollars.
And he studdied economics at Harvard, or where-ever. What a joke!
Sorry, I digress.

]]> By: Robin http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/09/18/are-you-extremist-or-moderate/#comment-277686 Robin Tue, 19 Sep 2006 16:51:33 +0000 http://sabbah.biz/mt/?p=1618#comment-277686 My president :( just moments ago finished his speech at the UN. If you saw it you would have heard him dedicate the last portion directly to addressing the people of the Mideast" He clearly stated, "America has chosen to stand witht the moderates of the Middle East". THIS is where the problem of the lable "moderates" comes to bear it's fruit. By submitting to the definition of "moderate" to mean those who support Israel, every one else's goose is cooked according to Bush. The danger of using the term "moderate" in this fashion is that it "sells" to unwitting people and targets those who disagree as something "other than" moderate. Interesting. Propaganda. Now what? Kimmy, I read an interesting quote about hate today, "Those who have just enough religion to hate do not have enough to love" No arguement with the separation issue from me. Thanks for the link. My president :( just moments ago finished his speech at the UN. If you saw it you would have heard him dedicate the last portion directly to addressing the people of the Mideast” He clearly stated, “America has chosen to stand witht the moderates of the Middle East”. THIS is where the problem of the lable “moderates” comes to bear it’s fruit. By submitting to the definition of “moderate” to mean those who support Israel, every one else’s goose is cooked according to Bush. The danger of using the term “moderate” in this fashion is that it “sells” to unwitting people and targets those who disagree as something “other than” moderate. Interesting. Propaganda. Now what?
Kimmy, I read an interesting quote about hate today, “Those who have just enough religion to hate do not have enough to love” No arguement with the separation issue from me. Thanks for the link.

]]> By: kimmy http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/09/18/are-you-extremist-or-moderate/#comment-277309 kimmy Mon, 18 Sep 2006 22:37:34 +0000 http://sabbah.biz/mt/?p=1618#comment-277309 That is why I love your comments, Robin. I don't have the time to research that you do. I spend too much time finding (or confirming) ways to hate Bush. I believe that if we can separate church and government we can get out of this mess. Up here in Canada we have a mini-me Bush. Try http://thinkprogress.org/ That is why I love your comments, Robin.
I don’t have the time to research that you do.
I spend too much time finding (or confirming) ways to hate Bush.
I believe that if we can separate church and government we can get out of this mess.
Up here in Canada we have a mini-me Bush.
Try http://thinkprogress.org/

]]> By: Robin http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/09/18/are-you-extremist-or-moderate/#comment-277185 Robin Mon, 18 Sep 2006 18:27:15 +0000 http://sabbah.biz/mt/?p=1618#comment-277185 The article from the LA Times states the following: (concerning moderation) "Despite the dissent, Muslims, Christians and Jews named similar attributes when asked to define religious moderation. They included problem-solving without violence, affirmation of human rights, religious freedom and other Western values, and respectful attitudes toward women" Yet in their "search for the moderate Muslims" only those who support Israel need apply for approval. 1. Problem solving without violence: June 27,2006 "Israel invades Gaza" electronicintifada.net/bytopic/442.shtml - 60k - UN Human Rights Council Condemns Israel http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0813-06.htm 2. Affirmation of human rights "Israel, Gaza Beach Probe Ignores Evidence" http://hrw.org/english/docs/2006/06/20/israb13595.htm Israel Criminal Procedure Bill http://hrw.org/english/docs/2006/03/15/israb13002.htm "Civil Liberties in the Occupied Territories" http://civilliberty.about.com/od/internationalhumanrights/p/israel1 Too many more to cite. 3. Religious freedom. US State Department report on Israel and the occupied territories http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/irf/2002/13997.htm 4. Women's rights "Women Forced to Give Birth at Israeli Checkpoints" http://www.palestinemonitor.org/nueva_web/updates_news/updates/mother_qalandia.htm 5. I refuse to include so called "Western values" because values should be communal, human rights on the other hand are universal. http://www.palestinemonitor.org/nueva_web/updates_news/updates/mother_qalandia.htm I agree with the above statement concerning religious moderation and I'm sure most everyone else does here too :) (except for the Western values which I too don't agree with) Oh, and so do these people http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/ and http://www.nkusa.org/ So there, my question is "WHO is the one defining what a 'moderate' Muslim is"? THAT is the key to the fallacy of this article. And as for Israel being attacked, did anyone ever wonder why other than to take their word for it? I am a pacifist, but if I were attacked, I would NOT turn the other cheek. And as for speaking in loud voices against Zionist apartheid, I say, do so in EXTREME measure. Signed, a Catholic American (uh-oh :)) The article from the LA Times states the following: (concerning moderation) “Despite the dissent, Muslims, Christians and Jews named similar attributes when asked to define religious moderation. They included problem-solving without violence, affirmation of human rights, religious freedom and other Western values, and respectful attitudes toward women”
Yet in their “search for the moderate Muslims” only those who support Israel need apply for approval.
1. Problem solving without violence:
June 27,2006 “Israel invades Gaza”
electronicintifada.net/bytopic/442.shtml – 60k -
UN Human Rights Council Condemns Israel
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0813-06.htm
2. Affirmation of human rights
“Israel, Gaza Beach Probe Ignores Evidence”
http://hrw.org/english/docs/2006/06/20/israb13595.htm
Israel Criminal Procedure Bill
http://hrw.org/english/docs/2006/03/15/israb13002.htm
“Civil Liberties in the Occupied Territories”
http://civilliberty.about.com/od/internationalhumanrights/p/israel1
Too many more to cite.
3. Religious freedom.
US State Department report on Israel and the occupied
territories
http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/irf/2002/13997.htm
4. Women’s rights
“Women Forced to Give Birth at Israeli Checkpoints”
http://www.palestinemonitor.org/nueva_web/updates_news/updates/mother_qalandia.htm
5. I refuse to include so called “Western values” because values
should be communal, human rights on the other hand are
universal.
http://www.palestinemonitor.org/nueva_web/updates_news/updates/mother_qalandia.htm

I agree with the above statement concerning religious moderation and I’m sure most everyone else does here too :) (except for the Western values which I too don’t agree with) Oh, and so do these people http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/ and http://www.nkusa.org/

So there, my question is “WHO is the one defining what a ‘moderate’ Muslim is”? THAT is the key to the fallacy of this article. And as for Israel being attacked, did anyone ever wonder why other than to take their word for it? I am a pacifist, but if I were attacked, I would NOT turn the other cheek. And as for speaking in loud voices against Zionist apartheid, I say, do so
in EXTREME measure. Signed, a Catholic American (uh-oh :))

]]> By: Nas http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/09/18/are-you-extremist-or-moderate/#comment-276935 Nas Mon, 18 Sep 2006 04:15:16 +0000 http://sabbah.biz/mt/?p=1618#comment-276935 i dont think the non-muslim world believes that Islam has anything to offer other than extremists. so zionism is not the litmust test of extremism or moderation...being a muslim by default is considered extremism. i once had someone call me "hardcore" because i told them i pray the 5 prayers. i dont think the non-muslim world believes that Islam has anything to offer other than extremists. so zionism is not the litmust test of extremism or moderation…being a muslim by default is considered extremism. i once had someone call me “hardcore” because i told them i pray the 5 prayers.

]]> By: moi http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/09/18/are-you-extremist-or-moderate/#comment-276824 moi Mon, 18 Sep 2006 01:11:05 +0000 http://sabbah.biz/mt/?p=1618#comment-276824 Maher Hathout and any other active American Muslim is facing a witch hunt and smear campaign from the pro-Israel community. But I think most Americans are beginning to see through these dispicable campaigns. Wafa Sultan? No comment... Maher Hathout and any other active American Muslim is facing a witch hunt and smear campaign from the pro-Israel community. But I think most Americans are beginning to see through these dispicable campaigns.
Wafa Sultan? No comment…

]]> By: kimmy http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/09/18/are-you-extremist-or-moderate/#comment-276822 kimmy Mon, 18 Sep 2006 00:33:34 +0000 http://sabbah.biz/mt/?p=1618#comment-276822 Being born supposidly Jewish and Danish, I find myself an extreemist. I support the Palestinians, Hamas, Hezbollah and everyone else vying for freedom. The Israelis are the terrorists from everything I have read. Over here in the West all we get are the lies given to us by the Bush Admin. and the Jewish Congress. The truth is being hidden just like Hitler did before and during WWII. Being born supposidly Jewish and Danish, I find myself an extreemist.
I support the Palestinians, Hamas, Hezbollah and everyone else vying for freedom.
The Israelis are the terrorists from everything I have read.
Over here in the West all we get are the lies given to us by the Bush Admin. and the Jewish Congress.
The truth is being hidden just like Hitler did before and during WWII.

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