Pope, Pope, Pope!

I just felt that posting my personal opinion about the Pope infamous quotes is going to stir another big controversial discussion (religious one) like that of Prophet Mohammed cartoons. However, many emails asked me to write about it and give my opinion in this matter.

To cut long story short, I have two sources that says it all.

Following video was sent to me by my friend, Samar Jarrah (American Palestinian Journalist), who toke part in this Fox news discussion. Although it is titled as “American Muslims React to Pope’s Comments on Islam”, but I believe it represent more than American Muslims.

However, my stand, I could not have said it better than Uri Avnery. Might look more extreme, but this is good, in depth what-is-what, which unlike the Pope, I’m quoting and adopting.

So here is Avenry’s spin. Enjoy it:

September 26, 2006
The Pope’s Evil Legend - Mohammed’s Sword
By URI AVNERY

Since the days when Roman Emperors threw Christians to the lions, the relations between the emperors and the heads of the church have undergone many changes.

Constantine the Great, who became Emperor in the year 306–exactly 1700 years ago–encouraged the practice of Christianity in the empire, which included Palestine. Centuries later, the church split into an Eastern (Orthodox) and a Western (Catholic) part. In the West, the Bishop of Rome, who acquired the title of Pope, demanded that the Emperor accept his superiority.

The struggle between the Emperors and the Popes played a central role in European history and divided the peoples. It knew ups and downs. Some Emperors dismissed or expelled a Pope, some Popes dismissed or excommunicated an Emperor. One of the Emperors, Henry IV, “walked to Canossa”, standing for three days barefoot in the snow in front of the Pope’s castle, until the Pope deigned to annul his excommunication.

But there were times when Emperors and Popes lived in peace with each other. We are witnessing such a period today. Between the present Pope, Benedict XVI, and the present Emperor, George Bush II, there exists a wonderful harmony. Last week’s speech by the Pope, which aroused a world-wide storm, went well with Bush’s crusade against “Islamofascism”, in the context of the “Clash of Civilizations”.

* * *

IN HIS lecture at a German university, the 265th Pope described what he sees as a huge difference between Christianity and Islam: while Christianity is based on reason, Islam denies it. While Christians see the logic of God’s actions, Muslims deny that there is any such logic in the actions of Allah.

As a Jewish atheist, I do not intend to enter the fray of this debate. It is much beyond my humble abilities to understand the logic of the Pope. But I cannot overlook one passage, which concerns me too, as an Israeli living near the fault-line of this “war of civilizations”.

In order to prove the lack of reason in Islam, the Pope asserts that the prophet Muhammad ordered his followers to spread their religion by the sword. According to the Pope, that is unreasonable, because faith is born of the soul, not of the body. How can the sword influence the soul?

To support his case, the Pope quoted–of all people–a Byzantine Emperor, who belonged, of course, to the competing Eastern Church. At the end of the 14th century, the Emperor Manuel II Palaeologus told of a debate he had–or so he said (its occurrence is in doubt)–with an unnamed Persian Muslim scholar. In the heat of the argument, the Emperor (according to himself) flung the following words at his adversary:

“Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached”.

These words give rise to three questions:

(a) Why did the Emperor say them?

(b) Are they true?

(c) Why did the present Pope quote them?

* * *

WHEN MANUEL II wrote his treatise, he was the head of a dying empire. He assumed power in 1391, when only a few provinces of the once illustrious empire remained. These, too, were already under Turkish threat.

At that point in time, the Ottoman Turks had reached the banks of the Danube. They had conquered Bulgaria and the north of Greece, and had twice defeated relieving armies sent by Europe to save the Eastern Empire. In 1453, only a few years after Manuel’s death, his capital, Constantinople (the present Istanbul) fell to the Turks, putting an end to the Empire that had lasted for more than a thousand years.

During his reign, Manuel made the rounds of the capitals of Europe in an attempt to drum up support. He promised to reunite the church. There is no doubt that he wrote his religious treatise in order to incite the Christian countries against the Turks and convince them to start a new crusade. The aim was practical, theology was serving politics.

In this sense, the quote serves exactly the requirements of the present Emperor, George Bush II. He, too, wants to unite the Christian world against the mainly Muslim “Axis of Evil”. Moreover, the Turks are again knocking on the doors of Europe, this time peacefully. It is well known that the Pope supports the forces that object to the entry of Turkey into the European Union.

* * *

IS THERE any truth in Manuel’s argument?

The pope himself threw in a word of caution. As a serious and renowned theologian, he could not afford to falsify written texts. Therefore, he admitted that the Qur’an specifically forbade the spreading of the faith by force. He quoted the second Sura, verse 256 (strangely fallible, for a pope, he meant verse 257) which says: “There must be no coercion in matters of faith”.

How can one ignore such an unequivocal statement? The Pope simply argues that this commandment was laid down by the prophet when he was at the beginning of his career, still weak and powerless, but that later on he ordered the use of the sword in the service of the faith. Such an order does not exist in the Qur’an. True, Muhammad called for the use of the sword in his war against opposing tribes–Christian, Jewish and others–in Arabia, when he was building his state. But that was a political act, not a religious one; basically a fight for territory, not for the spreading of the faith.

Jesus said: “You will recognize them by their fruits.” The treatment of other religions by Islam must be judged by a simple test: How did the Muslim rulers behave for more than a thousand years, when they had the power to “spread the faith by the sword”?

Well, they just did not.

For many centuries, the Muslims ruled Greece. Did the Greeks become Muslims? Did anyone even try to Islamize them? On the contrary, Christian Greeks held the highest positions in the Ottoman administration. The Bulgarians, Serbs, Romanians, Hungarians and other European nations lived at one time or another under Ottoman rule and clung to their Christian faith. Nobody compelled them to become Muslims and all of them remained devoutly Christian.

True, the Albanians did convert to Islam, and so did the Bosniaks. But nobody argues that they did this under duress. They adopted Islam in order to become favorites of the government and enjoy the fruits.

In 1099, the Crusaders conquered Jerusalem and massacred its Muslim and Jewish inhabitants indiscriminately, in the name of the gentle Jesus. At that time, 400 years into the occupation of Palestine by the Muslims, Christians were still the majority in the country. Throughout this long period, no effort was made to impose Islam on them. Only after the expulsion of the Crusaders from the country, did the majority of the inhabitants start to adopt the Arabic language and the Muslim faith–and they were the forefathers of most of today’s Palestinians.

* * *

THERE IS no evidence whatsoever of any attempt to impose Islam on the Jews. As is well known, under Muslim rule the Jews of Spain enjoyed a bloom the like of which the Jews did not enjoy anywhere else until almost our time. Poets like Yehuda Halevy wrote in Arabic, as did the great Maimonides. In Muslim Spain, Jews were ministers, poets, scientists. In Muslim Toledo, Christian, Jewish and Muslim scholars worked together and translated the ancient Greek philosophical and scientific texts. That was, indeed, the Golden Age. How would this have been possible, had the Prophet decreed the “spreading of the faith by the sword”?

What happened afterwards is even more telling. When the Catholics re-conquered Spain from the Muslims, they instituted a reign of religious terror. The Jews and the Muslims were presented with a cruel choice: to become Christians, to be massacred or to leave. And where did the hundreds of thousand of Jews, who refused to abandon their faith, escape? Almost all of them were received with open arms in the Muslim countries. The Sephardi (”Spanish”) Jews settled all over the Muslim world, from Morocco in the west to Iraq in the east, from Bulgaria (then part of the Ottoman Empire) in the north to Sudan in the south. Nowhere were they persecuted. They knew nothing like the tortures of the Inquisition, the flames of the auto-da-fe, the pogroms, the terrible mass-expulsions that took place in almost all Christian countries, up to the Holocaust.

WHY? Because Islam expressly prohibited any persecution of the “peoples of the book”. In Islamic society, a special place was reserved for Jews and Christians. They did not enjoy completely equal rights, but almost. They had to pay a special poll-tax, but were exempted from military service–a trade-off that was quite welcome to many Jews. It has been said that Muslim rulers frowned upon any attempt to convert Jews to Islam even by gentle persuasion–because it entailed the loss of taxes.

Every honest Jew who knows the history of his people cannot but feel a deep sense of gratitude to Islam, which has protected the Jews for fifty generations, while the Christian world persecuted the Jews and tried many times “by the sword” to get them to abandon their faith.

* * *

THE STORY about “spreading the faith by the sword” is an evil legend, one of the myths that grew up in Europe during the great wars against the Muslims–the reconquista of Spain by the Christians, the Crusades and the repulsion of the Turks, who almost conquered Vienna. I suspect that the German Pope, too, honestly believes in these fables. That means that the leader of the Catholic world, who is a Christian theologian in his own right, did not make the effort to study the history of other religions.

Why did he utter these words in public? And why now?

There is no escape from viewing them against the background of the new Crusade of Bush and his evangelist supporters, with his slogans of “Islamofascism” and the “Global War on Terrorism”–when “terrorism” has become a synonym for Muslims. For Bush’s handlers, this is a cynical attempt to justify the domination of the world’s oil resources. Not for the first time in history, a religious robe is spread to cover the nakedness of economic interests; not for the first time, a robbers’ expedition becomes a Crusade.

The speech of the Pope blends into this effort. Who can foretell the dire consequences? [source]

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9 Comments on “Pope, Pope, Pope!”

  • 27 September, 2006, 23:14

    Hello Sabbah and all,

    This is a very good article! Keep up the good work!!

    The straw that breaks the camel’s back always follows the results of earlier deeds.

    The Pope’s choice of words was brain dead, in my humble opinion, if he was seeking to spread peace. He could have appealed for cooler heads and humility from all sides using any other words, but instead he chose to quote Crusade era hypocrisy that was clearly designed to inflame Muslims. Now we see the backtracking and spinning that always follows the gaffes of those afraid of simply telling the truth.

    More proof that religion is the opposite of truth, wisdom, and justice

    The “infallible” Grand Inquisitor (the pot) sought to lecture Islam (the kettle) about spreading religion through dark deeds by quoting a Dark Ages text while the USA and Europe are in the midst of the Neo-Crusades. The irony and absurdity in this situation is amazing, to say the least. It evidences both the fallacy and fallibility of those who vainly and arrogantly pretend to serve the Creator.

    Dear Pope, ever heard of Karma or the golden rule? Ever stop to remember how the Vatican and western nations became so rich and powerful over the centuries? Ever consider giving up your blood drenched wealth and earthly power to end the blatant hypocrisy of your vain, materialistic, and duplicitous empire? Ever think of forgoing your peacock’s robes to walk the walk instead of simply talking the talk? Remember the “eye of the needle” and “log and mote in the eye” parables? Is this a demonstration of your infallibility, wisdom, or utter blindness? As another wise one once said; What goes around comes around!

    The West has killed far more Muslims (and other dark skins) than they have killed westerners, yet our leaders and many in the press can only see Muslim and “third world” desperation in the face of western military and economic dominance and oppression, (in the name of God and country, by the way), as sources of evil in this world. Never forget that there would not be a war in Iraq nor the Bush administration’s many blatant evils without the unwavering support of such a large percentage of Judeo-Christians.

    Guess what guys and girls, war, violence, and injustice are evil, no matter what the excuse or cause or who is doing it to whom. Anyone who thinks the Creator would judge religion, war, or any other profiteering at the expense of others as wise or acceptable activities has a very big surprise in store.

    Read More…

    …and here…

    Peace…

  • Dirk
    28 September, 2006, 0:30

    An interesting post. A few comments in response to the lengthy article you’ve included:

    In 1099, the Crusaders conquered Jerusalem and massacred its Muslim and Jewish inhabitants indiscriminately, in the name of the gentle Jesus. At that time, 400 years into the occupation of Palestine by the Muslims, Christians were still the majority in the country. Throughout this long period, no effort was made to impose Islam on them. Only after the expulsion of the Crusaders from the country, did the majority of the inhabitants start to adopt the Arabic language and the Muslim faith–and they were the forefathers of most of today’s Palestinians.

    Yes, the Christian crusaders massacred the Muslim and Jewish population of Jerusalem in 1099…and Muslim armies massacred the Christians in Jerusalem in 1244 and in Acre in 1291. The latter are much less well known than the former

    For many centuries, the Muslims ruled Greece. Did the Greeks become Muslims? Did anyone even try to Islamize them? On the contrary, Christian Greeks held the highest positions in the Ottoman administration.

    Though there were a few enlightened exceptions, such as the Kingdom of Sicily in the 11th century, it was clearly far better to be a Christian in the Middle East in the Middle Ages than a Muslim in Europe - indeed, the latter simply wasn’t possible.

    But what about today? To many of us it seems as if the situation has reserved. You mention the Greeks. They fared much better under the Ottoman Empire than under modern Turkey, where 1950s Pogroms helped drive away the vast majority of the 100,000 Greek descendants of the Manuel’s Byzantines that still lived in Constantinople / Istanbul.

    I suspect that the German Pope, too, honestly believes in these fables. That means that the leader of the Catholic world, who is a Christian theologian in his own right, did not make the effort to study the history of other religions.

    Whether he believes them or not, the reaction to his speech and the astonishing decision by the German opera not to stage Idomeneo for fear of offending Muslims (though there was no fear of offending Buddhists or Christians!), implies to a lot of people in the West that he was right.

    As I said, I don’t doubt those things you said about Islam in the Middle Ages and our own history…but while we had the reformation, enlightenment and the French and American revolutions can you honestly say that you’ve moved on?

  • Adam
    28 September, 2006, 7:46
  • 28 September, 2006, 9:12

    The problem is not Islam. It is Tribalism.

    I’m told (it is a long time since I read the Koran) that there are sections of the Koran other than the one quoted commanding conversiion by the sword. Certainly Mohammed acted in that way and he is the exemplar of Islam.

    However, I think if the tribalist aspects were removed then Islam could be compatible with the modern world. I think if jihad was strictly the inner struggle everything would be much better.

  • 28 September, 2006, 9:19

    The Pope: Islam is spread by the sword.

    Islam: We will kill you (or at least threaten your life) for saying that.

    A totally uncivilized (tribalist) reactiion to the Pope.

    Islam needs to be civilized.

  • Peter H
    28 September, 2006, 17:09

    Protesting the Pope’s remarks about Islam is not the same as threatening him with death. Granted, the Muslims who responded by burning down churches in Palestine etc. are idiotic thugs, but they were denounced by the vast majority of Palestinians.

  • 28 September, 2006, 18:30

    M. Simon Says:
    > Islam needs to be civilized.

    I think what you mean is:
    Muslims need to be civilized.
    And I agree with that.

  • kimmy
    29 September, 2006, 0:29

    I think that bringing up the past is the wrong thing to do.
    Mindsets were different back then. Leaders (both religious and tribal) had no concern about the lives of the ordinary person, only about their own lives.
    Today we think (most of us,[some of us]) about all of us.
    I don’t see the colour of skin, your nationallity, your religion or your gender. What I see is your character and that is what counts.
    Hang on to the past and you hang on to its fears and its hatreds.
    It is important to accept others (and cherish) their differences than accuse them for being different.
    As a hippie (we called ourselves freaks) from the sixties, I learned to accept everyone for just being themselves. I made friends with soldiers (even though I was against the Vietnam war) because of their commitment to their beliefs.
    If you don’t believe in their belief, don’t argue, listen to them and you will understand how they feel. You don’t have to agree, just accept their view.
    If everyone did this most problems would be solved.
    NO I AM NOT ON DRUGS.

  • 29 September, 2006, 16:44

    Thanks Haitham for the quote, really great article.