Comments on: How Big is Islamic Threat to Europe?

By: The Sphinx

The Sphinx — Sat, 05 May 2007 23:13:18 +0000

Before you start blowing things out of proportion: Go to Europe. Go there and take a look around. I’m currently living and studying in Germany. When I read bullcrap sites like Jihadwatch or LGF I get the impression that there is another Europe that is already irreversibly “damaged” under the Muslim influence.

Come to Europe and look around you. You’ll be surprised how pathetically exaggerated things are.

By: Istok

Istok — Sat, 05 May 2007 09:54:10 +0000

You didnt quite understand me. Muslims are like what 6% maybe 8% (I am guessing here) of the EUROPEAN population but 1/2 of the terrorists IN EUROPE were Muslims. Dont cloud the issue with these world figures. What happens in the world is a whole different story. I am talking about EUROPE, which is what the story was about.
Secondly you didnt address my second issue which is what exactly were these Muslims fighting for in EUROPE? Separatism, plain and simple and you know that which is why you didnt address it. Please do a little research and read up on Kosovo and Macedonia. What exactly is going on there? They want there own state based on their religion. The rebellion against the Serbs and Macedonians started in the 80’s. Read up before you respond.
Oh yes Kimmy, Cheney and Bush are one of the greatest evils of our time but they did not force Muslims in Sweden to wear t-shirts with separatist rhetoric written on them and march in the streets.
Sweden no less!! Of all the nations in the world Muslims cannot get along with the Swedes. Come on man!! How have the Swedes done you wrong? Why do the Swedes deserve this from you?

By: The Sphinx

The Sphinx — Mon, 30 Apr 2007 05:20:44 +0000

Thanks Kimmy =) I was rather thinking they’d fall under the category of “fascists”, but I guess they deserve an explicit mention too..

By: kimmy

kimmy — Mon, 30 Apr 2007 01:51:08 +0000

Great point The Sphinx.
I totally agree with you.
Just you left out Bush and Cheney.

By: The Sphinx

The Sphinx — Sun, 29 Apr 2007 13:41:22 +0000

Alright first of all, Islam isn’t about getting seperated from the non-muslims:

“Oh mankind, We have created you from a male and a female; And We have made you tribes and nations that you may know one another. Verily, the most honourable among you, in the sight of God, is he who is the most righteous among you. Surely, God is All-Knowing, All-Aware.” Quran 49:13

Second of all, 1.4 billion Muslims isn’t a small percentage. That’s more than a fifth of the world’s population. Assuming wildly that there are one million “Muslim” terrorists worldwide (clearly an exaggerated number), they would still make up 0.071% of all Muslims. That’s right, FAR below one percent. You’re also MUCH safer from ANY terrorist attack perpetrated by Muslims than you are from lightning. This practically makes “Islamic” terrorism statistically insignificant. If you’d look at other groups or religions, you’ll find exactly the same situation. But you know, the media tends to “forget” about KKK, neonazis, fascists, white supremacists, Red Army Faction, Kahane Chai, Apartheid, Army of God, militant Zionists, .. You’d get the impression that there’s barely any evil left in the world except that of violent Muslims.

By: Istok

Istok — Sun, 29 Apr 2007 08:43:53 +0000

Islamist separatist!!! Well thats how it starts. He may not be linked to Al-Queda but he is using terrorism to further a cause for his Muslim people. Separatism is the reason for the terrorism. Separation from the rest of us non-muslims. Seriously I dont give a shit what their motivation is. The fact that 50% of the terrorists are muslims is enough. If you are only a small percentage of the population yet you perpetrate 50% of the terrorism means something. You dont seriously think that these 257 islamists are terrorists because they want to make a separate French Christian state? What the hell are thinking?

By: kimmy

kimmy — Wed, 25 Apr 2007 00:06:16 +0000

I have a friend from Lebanon living here in Canada. He kept telling me he was Christian.
I just recently found out he was a Muslim. I gave him heck because I would not have judged him any differenly.
He just found out from me that I have visited his Mosque twice to understand.
I am doing everything I can to understand the world of Islam.
But when a Muslim in Canada is afraid to reveal his faith, there is something rotten in the “state” of Canada.
I now feel bad for giving him heck.
BTW, we still get along great. We understand each other even more and we will work together to educate everyone about the truth of Islam.
Let the radicals (Bush and Osama) fight it out amongst themselves.

By: The Sphinx

The Sphinx — Tue, 24 Apr 2007 20:45:25 +0000

Agreed 100% with you Sean. It’ll be a glorious day when the whole world realizes this. A few major conflicts would simply come to a screeching halt if that happened.. Emphasis on “if” though, regarding how the media everywhere is subtly sharpening this image of an eternal war between “us” and “them”..

By: Sean

Sean — Tue, 24 Apr 2007 17:15:02 +0000

Haitham,

I have read your notes in the past, but sometimes with the deluge of bad news about America I think individuals can become jaded and lose hope in us. I am just trying to keep your faith that we are still vastly good folks over here not just state terrorists, like you guys over there are vastly good folks and not just stateless terrorists. It is just the losers that start the problems, cause destruction and get all the coverage.

By: Robin

Robin — Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:17:24 +0000

If you want to get REALLY interesting, the proof is in the pudding, the Europol study itself:

Total arrested on terrorism charges (includes preparation, planning, execution, recruiting, financing)

“Islamist” 257
Separatist 226
Leftwing 52
Rightwing 15

Total “Islamists” arrested 257
Total all others 293

(the above data is found on page 16 of the report)
Right ABOVE the table with the numbers arrested it states, “Despite the small number of “Islamist” terrorist attacks in the EU, half the arrests carried out were related to “Islamic” terrorism. HELLO!!! 257 “Islamist” arrests vs. 293 “others” is NOT half!!! Great Britain’s numbers are NOT broken down into categories of “Islamist” etc. The TOTAL arrested was 706, where is the author of this report getting his statistics from when 156 in GB are NOT attributed to any particular category? Yet on another page it states 340 “Islamist” terrorists were arrested. This is totally screwy!

On p. 21, it states (of “Islamists in this case) Less than 10% were arrested for preparation, planning or execution. Whereas with the “separatist” category, more than half were arrested for preparation and planning in Spain and France where the majority of arrests in this category took place (216 of the total of 226 total) So given those figures, 25.7 “Islamist” terrorists were arrested whereas more than 108 “separatist” terrorists were arrested for preparation, planning or execution. That is more than four times as many “separtist” terrorists arrested in the most agregious category as “Islamist” terrorists.

One more statistic, the report itself however lists “Islamist” terrorism FIRST and gives it eight pages of attention whereas it gives
THREE pages of attention to “separtist” terrorism. Perhaps it is much more comfortable to pay attention to a “foreign” entity such as Islam and blame it than it is to pay attention to EUROPEAN policies which homegrow these separatist and “Islamist” terrorist groups. After all, THAT might take some introspection!

Another key finding: “Right wing violence is mainly investigated as right wing EXTREMISM and not as right-wing terrorism”

Some other interesting wording, “Left wing and anarchist terrorist acts are motivated by domestic politics…..”

Its ALL in the semantics.

HELLO again, since George the Bush began his “war on terror”, so called “Islamic” terrorism has grown exponentially. How many Muslims have died as a result of the US invasion of Iraq alone? Some 750,000. Before that, some one million dead in Iraq due to sanctions (under Clinton). And almost every single time an American president speaks he invokes “God”. God bless America, God is on our side, In God we trust.

What are the statistics in the Palestinian/Israeli conflict? Answer- http://www.ifamericansknew.org/ (remember, Zionism claims a RELIGIOUS claim to this land)

Bottom line, NONE of this is GODLIKE and NONE of it has one damn thing to do with religion except to warp and twist it to suit a POLITICAL purpose. Islam vs. terrorism http://www.submission.org/terrorism.html

Ever heard the term “blowback”? It is a CIA/political term, NOT religious in nature. http://www.thenation.com/doc/20011015/johnson (this article pertains to the US, but the term “blowback” is applicable anywhere. Chalmers Johnson does subscribe to the “Islamic terrorists” account of 911- but his reasoning concerning natural consequences of a nation’s actions are sound)