Comments on: Oren Ben-Dor – The Self-Defense of Suicide http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2009/01/02/oren-ben-dor-the-self-defense-of-suicide/ Because Silence is Complicity! Tue, 08 Nov 2011 15:10:04 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Gaza: Sin palabras « Sattva Guna http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2009/01/02/oren-ben-dor-the-self-defense-of-suicide/#comment-359202 Gaza: Sin palabras « Sattva Guna Sun, 11 Jan 2009 06:32:49 +0000 http://sabbah.biz/mt/?p=4096#comment-359202 [...] Enlace al artículo original [...] [...] Enlace al artículo original [...]

]]> By: Nasrawi http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2009/01/02/oren-ben-dor-the-self-defense-of-suicide/#comment-358790 Nasrawi Sun, 04 Jan 2009 02:40:37 +0000 http://sabbah.biz/mt/?p=4096#comment-358790 To mountainaires, the article was originally published in Counterpunch on Jan 1. See it at the following link: http://www.counterpunch.org/dor01012009.html To mountainaires,

the article was originally published in Counterpunch on Jan 1. See it at the following link:

http://www.counterpunch.org/dor01012009.html

]]> By: mountainaires http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2009/01/02/oren-ben-dor-the-self-defense-of-suicide/#comment-358741 mountainaires Sat, 03 Jan 2009 17:08:26 +0000 http://sabbah.biz/mt/?p=4096#comment-358741 Hey, great site, thanks for this. But, could you please post a link to the original publication as well, when possible? I am compiling a list of Israeli critics of Israeli policy and need links to originals. Thanks. I'm enjoying reading through your stuff. Hey, great site, thanks for this. But, could you please post a link to the original publication as well, when possible? I am compiling a list of Israeli critics of Israeli policy and need links to originals. Thanks. I’m enjoying reading through your stuff.

]]> By: Leyla http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2009/01/02/oren-ben-dor-the-self-defense-of-suicide/#comment-358723 Leyla Sat, 03 Jan 2009 09:27:38 +0000 http://sabbah.biz/mt/?p=4096#comment-358723 it is a coward state too , shelling the people of Gaza with F16s dropping bombs and the israeli Gunships shelling from the sea . ALL the exists of Gaza are Locked and the keys are with Gaza and Egypt . I wish the People of Gaza had proper guns , Tanks , F16s and Apaches to fight Back . Unfortunateley they only have rockets they make locally with scraps (road signs , carnation cans etc.. ) it is a coward state too , shelling the people of Gaza with F16s dropping bombs and the israeli Gunships shelling from the sea . ALL the exists of Gaza are Locked and the keys are with Gaza and Egypt . I wish the People of Gaza had proper guns , Tanks , F16s and Apaches to fight Back . Unfortunateley they only have rockets they make locally with scraps (road signs , carnation cans etc.. )

]]> By: Nasrawi http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2009/01/02/oren-ben-dor-the-self-defense-of-suicide/#comment-358685 Nasrawi Fri, 02 Jan 2009 13:08:43 +0000 http://sabbah.biz/mt/?p=4096#comment-358685 Thanks for this article. I particularly liked how you asked the question, "Given the sure failure of attempts to bring about stability through violence, intimidation, starvation and humiliation, what, on earth, is the desire that moves the Israeli state?" What remains is certainly an inability towards infra-review, looking within and saying yes, we did wrong. We should work to fix it. Rather, as you said, violence allows the cover, together with a 'dehumanisation' in firing missiles from thousands of metres in the air thus resembling a go at the playstation over taking human life, to ignore the apartheid premise on which the state is based. The fiction of being perpetually hated is, through dehumanised belligerent violence, becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy. And that weakening will make it a dying state - alas all those who genuinely needed a home to live. Thanks for this article. I particularly liked how you asked the question, “Given the sure failure of attempts to bring about stability through violence, intimidation, starvation and humiliation, what, on earth, is the desire that moves the Israeli state?”

What remains is certainly an inability towards infra-review, looking within and saying yes, we did wrong. We should work to fix it.

Rather, as you said, violence allows the cover, together with a ‘dehumanisation’ in firing missiles from thousands of metres in the air thus resembling a go at the playstation over taking human life, to ignore the apartheid premise on which the state is based.

The fiction of being perpetually hated is, through dehumanised belligerent violence, becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy. And that weakening will make it a dying state – alas all those who genuinely needed a home to live.

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